My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 22MAR13)

[Gerry.Agnosia]

'Ello,

As a poor but informed gear-geek, I am exceedingly jealous of your acquisitions, sir.

Well done.

[Panzershreke]

Wow, impressive post. Well written and thought through. I need to save this post, I want a build a setup identical to this!

[Ellie With An Axe]

Ellie, quit meat gazing and read the thread it explains itself. Assume nothing.......

WTF? "Meat gazing"? I asked a simple question about whether your BOB was intended to be a 72 hour kit or part of an INCH bag, and tried to give some input like anybody else, and I've been jumped on twice now. What's the fucking deal? Someone clue me in on what it is I did or said that was so awful, because I'm at a loss.

[Boris]

I'm guessing the OP just wants us to gaze in astonishment at his gear. You had to go and spoil that for him, Ellie.

It's is a gear forum though, so nothing wrong with posting your shit.

[Squirrley]

I asked a simple question about whether your BOB was intended to be a 72 hour kit or part of an INCH bag, and tried to give some input like anybody else, and I've been jumped on twice now. What's the fucking deal? Someone clue me in on what it is I did or said that was so awful, because I'm at a loss.

I think its cause he made sure to write out at the begining of his post that this is all the gear he owns, and by no means is it one kit. He's just trying to make us all jealous I missed that part at first too, to busy fap... er... looking at the pictures.

[Mags]

I have already been shit on here once for trying too hard. I don't have too. The reason for the post is I see a lot of ZS peeps starting out buying gear. If you read my post it's not about nor are the photos meant to be about "showing off." I have spent a lot of time and money finding out what works for me. Just like WW has done. I use my shit! I don't just pack and repack it on my livingroom floor. I HATE to see troops spending their hard earned cash on "high speed" shit that isn't worth shit. If I could save somebody from wasting time or money that would be great! If I could save somebody aggrivation over gear that sucks that would be great! I will try and update this thread as I take pics and rotate my gear.

It's not bout showing off as WW stated. Any jackoff can purchase the gear. If you read the entire post I tried to explain why I bought things in the first place. WW gets at'ta boys, and I get dog piled.........fuck you!

For anybody who got an idea or learned something from my post, good on you! I was getting tired of reading crap posts and BS information.

Ellie, I didn't jump you cause you ask a question. I did it cause if you took the time to read the post, the answer I hope is quite clear. By the way I own more gear but these are the many items that I would use for my 72Hr BOB (Extended Stay.)

Boris, I did post pics but if you can get past the gear porn I tried to explain a lot as well. No need to be a dick.......

One of the red Swiss Army knives was bought at the top of the Zugspitze, Germany's highest Peak. The other red one was bought in Saudi Arabia. If you'll notice the logo in the handle is different. The Saudi Religious Police (moose-limb) would not allow a cross in the logo. One is sentimental and will not be used the other is a major collectors item and will not be used. They were added since other items are already packed.

R.I.F. Reading Is Fundimental!

[Mags]

GF is a hottie, and she not only knows how to shoot her own gun. She also knows where the bear shits in the woods. Be careful though, she's a Woobie theif!





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Now keeps this post on track!

[Boris]

Boris, I did post pics but if you can get past the gear porn I tried to explain a lot as well. No need to be a dick.......

Go take your meds and chill. Not everyone's out to get you.

[Salam9nder]

“Rule of three’s.” 3 minutes without air/medical treatment, 3 hours without protection (clothing/shelter/fire), 3 days without water (clean/pure), 3 weeks without food, and 3 months without hope (Knowledge/Experience/Skill/Faith).

I've noticed that a lot of people modify the Rule of Threes per their own philosophy. Not saying yours is right or wrong, but I heard one wilderness survival instructor/search coordinator say it was 3 seconds without hope, rather than 3 months. His experience was that the moment a person panics or gives up, they're as good as dead.

[mk_ultra]

As I said , I did take the time and read this with my morning coffee . Time well spent .

Good , quality , well thought out kit throughout . No fluff . We have a lot of the same gear .

I found the shelter portions to be particularly useful as I am currently upgreydd-ing my sleeping bags and giving serious consideration to either a bivy or a Hennesy hammock .

Again thanks for taking the time to spread the knowledge . This must have taken forever .

[savage]

Mags, thanks for the pm. I've archived this entire thread for posterity...never know when it may disappear. I haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, but I will this weekend when I have some spare time.

Keep up the good work.

[aa1pr]

Interesting post. All the right equipment for all the various conditions that one could encounter.

[Woods Walker]

Ellie, quit meat gazing and read the thread it explains itself. Assume nothing.......

WTF? "Meat gazing"? I asked a simple question about whether your BOB was intended to be a 72 hour kit or part of an INCH bag, and tried to give some input like anybody else, and I've been jumped on twice now. What's the fucking deal? Someone clue me in on what it is I did or said that was so awful, because I'm at a loss.

Twice?

Sorry I misunderstood your question

Don't know what else I can say........

[Woods Walker]

GF is a hottie,

Yea I would say so.

[Mags]

Boris, my meds kicked in (Really the Cuervo wore off! ) feeling better now.

Ellie my bad! I'm from the government and I'm here to help.......

Molawns, the tent is very similar to yours but it is the Eureka USMC Combat Tent. It is one heavy all inclusive package! This baby is only ever drug in via sled or haoled on an ATV rack.

Salam9der, I have heard of that rule also. The version I got was 3 Seconds without calm, cool thinking. Supposed to S.T.O.P, Stay calm, Think, Observe, and Plan.

Another note; I did not win the lottery! I have been doing this stuff since before the interent. My current compliment of equipment is a life long ever evolving collection. I can still remember the $1. plastic tablecloth my mother made me use as my ground cloth on my first week long river trip with a youth group. That sumbitch lasted bout 2hrs. It was a long week!!!! Don't feel bad about your kits! A lot of them here look good. Set goals and work towards them! Trust me, I didn't buy all this last week.

[Woods Walker]

“Rule of three’s.” 3 minutes without air/medical treatment, 3 hours without protection (clothing/shelter/fire), 3 days without water (clean/pure), 3 weeks without food, and 3 months without hope (Knowledge/Experience/Skill/Faith).

I've noticed that a lot of people modify the Rule of Threes per their own philosophy. Not saying yours is right or wrong, but I heard one wilderness survival instructor/search coordinator say it was 3 seconds without hope, rather than 3 months. His experience was that the moment a person panics or gives up, they're as good as dead.

I am no wilderness survival instructor but have to disagree to some regard. Fear and panic are not weakness no more than susceptibility to pain. These are part of the human makeup forged though millions perhaps billions of years of collective evolution that all living things share. You feel pain, fear and panic for a reason. The question is what you do with it. I have been turned around a few times. Once in Maine during a late season hunt. I got no shame as will freely admit that despite years of experience I was panicked for maybe an hour. If I push on farther the logging road will be just ahead. Move…move…..move…… Is this darn compass right? Can’t be! I should have gotten out by now.

But if you snap out of it there is an acceptance or at least in my case of the fullness of the situation. Just sit down and think. Work it out. Get up and slowly move on. I got lucky and found the truck but if not I had a plain to setup a camp and I didn’t care that my gear collection was not on hand. In short nearly everyone panics to some degree. Now giving up is a whole different topic. At that point you are toast.

[Salam9nder]

I am no wilderness survival instructor but have to disagree to some regard. Fear and panic are not weakness no more than susceptibility to pain. These are part of the human makeup forged though millions perhaps billions of years of collective evolution that all living things share. You feel pain, fear and panic for a reason. The question is what you do with it. I have been turned around a few times. Once in Maine during a late season hunt. I got no shame as will freely admit that despite years of experience I was panicked for maybe an hour. If I push on farther the logging road will be just ahead. Move…move…..move…… Is this darn compass right? Can’t be! I should have gotten out by now.

But if you snap out of it there is an acceptance or at least in my case of the fullness of the situation. Just sit down and think. Work it out. Get up and slowly move on. I got lucky and found the truck but if not I had a plain to setup a camp and I didn’t care that my gear collection was not on hand. In short nearly everyone panics to some degree. Now giving up is a whole different topic. At that point you are toast.

I definitely agree that fear and the physical responses of the sympathetic nervous system are fundamental for survival, but what you're describing doesn't sound like panic to me. I'd define panic as a total loss of reason that is triggered by fear. If you're sitting down and thinking or recalling your plan for an overnight shelter, you're definitely not panicking.

When people panic they do things that make zero sense to the observer. The guys at my station once saw a woman who was so panicked by the sounds of her neighbors shouting "Fire!" that she jumped out of her 2nd story window to escape her apartment, which wasn't even involved in the fire. She went head first, broke her neck and died at the hospital. She did this while firefighters were on scene and bringing up a ladder. I've seen another woman get so freaked out by some hotdogs catching fire on her stovetop that she locked herself in her bathroom and got undressed.

This instructor referred to search and rescue operations that turned into body recoveries when the victim apparently panicked and ran off into the woods, shedding clothes and equipment during the flight. He indicated that this happens fairly frequently, to the point that he and the people he works with typically lose their optimism about finding a survivor when they locate clothing or a pack during the search. He said, "When people get lost in the woods and panic, they ALWAYS drop their clothes and pack and just take off running, as though they can find their way if they just move faster." I'm sure the term "always" was hyperbole; there's always exceptions.

At any rate, I'm inclined to agree that when a person panics (as opposed to just being scared), their chances for survival are slim indeed.

[ironraven]

I'm glad you said you don't carry it all. Otherwise, I was going to have three options:

-full of it
-Paul Bunyan is among us
-The Jolly Green Giant is among us

It does look good. I'd tinker with the AMK kits, but I always have a bigger fak than I think I need.

[Mags]

IronRaven, your correct. I really like that the AMK Ultralight series is geared towards outdoor on the move people, and put together well, by people with way more education than I. The Aloksak's that all of the items are packed in are very robust and I don't have to do anything further in order to waterproof my FAK. The bright yellow pouch color is easy to spot stuffed down inside a top loading pack. (Another reason to organize and pack my gear the same way every time. I won't have to look for my FAK when time is of the essence and I need it most.) Those are a couple of the reasons I chose the AMK Ultralight Series. Of course everything can be tweaked a little. I added mostly items to treat more major traumatic injuries.

For my BOB FAK I want to be able to treat both, "regular" hiking/camping type injuries and more severe traumatic injuries such as GSW's, amputations, major puncture wounds etc. I have two other kits, a loaded STOMP II Pack and a TT First Responder Bag. These kits are geared more towards combat and the types of injuries associated with that. I need to get working on rounding out my STOMP II kit with more boo boo items. It is never ending..........aghhh

[Woods Walker]

I am no wilderness survival instructor but have to disagree to some regard. Fear and panic are not weakness no more than susceptibility to pain. These are part of the human makeup forged though millions perhaps billions of years of collective evolution that all living things share. You feel pain, fear and panic for a reason. The question is what you do with it. I have been turned around a few times. Once in Maine during a late season hunt. I got no shame as will freely admit that despite years of experience I was panicked for maybe an hour. If I push on farther the logging road will be just ahead. Move…move…..move…… Is this darn compass right? Can’t be! I should have gotten out by now.

But if you snap out of it there is an acceptance or at least in my case of the fullness of the situation. Just sit down and think. Work it out. Get up and slowly move on. I got lucky and found the truck but if not I had a plain to setup a camp and I didn’t care that my gear collection was not on hand. In short nearly everyone panics to some degree. Now giving up is a whole different topic. At that point you are toast.

I definitely agree that fear and the physical responses of the sympathetic nervous system are fundamental for survival, but what you're describing doesn't sound like panic to me. I'd define panic as a total loss of reason that is triggered by fear. If you're sitting down and thinking or recalling your plan for an overnight shelter, you're definitely not panicking.

No the sitting down and thinking came after the panic. But don't think I was ever f@cked up enough to jump off a cliff or anything like that. As for dropping my clothes and pack well I only had a fanny pack so it was kinda out of my mind's eye and for clothing the only time I have ever heard of that is when people are near freezing to death and feel the need to get cool. Funky things happen once the body temp drops down far enough. I remember that guy last winter who was lost for a week with his family and he dropped his clothing as he tried to find a way out alone. The local cops believed it was to signal others like bread crumbs but I knew better. Lots of miss information about the clothing issue. In any case this was a long time ago. But given the right situation one never truly knows how they will respond. Unlike Rambo we don't have screen writers and editors.

[tilt]

I wouldn't sweat having an AMK instead of a handmade aid bag fit for an expeditionary hospital. I use the AMK 2.0 (in the yellow bag as the everywhere kit and I break out the big guns with the 'outfitter' kit. I add a stethoscope and a blood pressure cuff to the big kit... that's about all I add. I'm confident I can improvise anything else, or I just don't need it.

So, from the guy that's spent the last 12 years in emergency and austere medicine, and now education...

AMK = well played

[Mags]

Good lookin' out Tilt! I'll take a pro's word for it anyday. Austere.........I got an off the wall question for ya since I'm lazy. If your familiar with the "Ditch Medicine" book, do you know if there are other volumes? Was it a series type thing or just a single book? Thanks

[PistolPete]

Enough with the hostility, folks. I'm locking until I can read through all the bullshit in this thread and see if it needs to be buried or not.

[edit by PistolPete]
After several PMs with users and discussion with other mods, I am pleased to state I am unlocking. Please carry on. Sorry for the delay!

Please remember that we encourage open discussion of ideas on these forums. If someone doesn't agree with your idea, it's not a personal attack, and there's no reason to get hostile.

[airballrad]

Well, then, bumping back to the top...

On Topic:

Mags, awesome stuff. I aspire to have such a collection someday, since "He who dies with the most toys wins!".

I finally have the budget for all this great stuff (well, not the really high-end stuff yet), but no longer have the time to really play with it (young kids). I'm a gear whore, tho, so I'm using this thread (and WW's, of course) to plot my slow buildup until I can get out more again. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!