Teaching Bugging out

Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:01 pm

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OK, I will do. Anything else I should add to the learning?


Building a debris shelter.

Cotton Kills.

Stay dry = stay warm

You could get a box of 55gal trash bags and teach shelters and ponchos and such. They wouldn't have to be contractor 3mil for teaching.

Choosing a site to camp. No hilltops, No creek beds, No hanging snags above you.

Field sanitation. How to poop in the woods. How to keep clean.

You could have fun playing 'hide and seek'. Great bug-out skill!

Have fun.


Most of that is part of my day one teachings but the hide and seek is not cause they are teens like 16-18.lol
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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:04 pm

The Syndicate wrote:Dick's has coleman brand 12hr light stick's for a buck each.


I don't know what "Dick's" is.
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Postby Drew23 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:19 pm

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Must not be any in your area. That sucks.
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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:31 pm

I think the most important things are the least glamorous.

1. Protection from exposure
2. Protection from dehydration.
3. Injuries in the field.

That is really about it. Everything else is fluff. Cold and wet can kill overnight. Dehydration can kill in a day. No one is going to die of hunger in 72 hours. People like me could befit from cutting back on the chow. Stoves are a luxury item. Funny for me to say this as I have a stove collection that borders on silly but no one is going to die because they lack a stove. Fire starting items are part of exposure protection. So is even a cheap poncho or tarp. A knife and cordage is really all about shelter aka exposure risks. Water purification and canteens fall into the hydration category. Bottled water covers the canteen for a refill and water for the BOB at the same time. Sure it is not fancy but those plastic bottles don’t leak. The same can’t be said for some Wall-mart water bags and canteens I have tried.

FAK stuff for injures but the best FAK is inside ones head. Teaching the value of risk to reward ratios can overcome most injuries. Is it smart to expend a 1000 calories looking for forage or profit from opportunities alone the way. In a few weeks when fishing for trout I will be picking fiddleheads as the species that are edible and tasty grow along the same streams. This photo was taken by a friend I view as an expert in Bushcraft.

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But would I crawl all over creation looking for fiddleheads spending my currency of calories if too far out of the way. Then I must start a fire and boil some water to remove the tannins. Are a few fiddleheads really going to make the difference? A broken leg sure will. Running out of water sure will. Not setting up a shelter a few hours before dark sure might. Risk to rewards. Do I cross a deep stream or avoid the hazard by walking a few hundred yards. Come to think of it is the pasture really greener on the other side? Is it smart to move though the bush at night even with a headlamp if someone is confused in an ER rather than playing it safe and bedding down. Navigation skills reduce all three big risks by removing someone from an unfamiliar environment faster or reducing the time to their intended location. If lost sometimes not moving is best however in a bugout we move.

The whole idea of constantly playing it safe and moving at a measured pace seems to contrast with media hogwash like Man vs. Wild. In any case the bush is inert. It is neither for nor against anyone.

Being constantly aware of ones environment is key. Like the 3 big risks this is often overlooked when beaten down. How many have slipped during the later stages of a hike because they no longer gave a rat’s ass. I have. Simple stuff like checking the camp for widow makers aka dead branches and trees. Looking up to see if there are any rocks ready to give way. Looking to see if the camp site is in a flood area. The stupid stuff that is so easy to just ignore and not nearly as entertaining like edible plants and critters but potentially lethal none the less.

I am no expert on this topic. I wish Allen who runs that primative fire starting web site would key in.
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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:38 pm

Thank you Woods Walker for your input. I have a copy each for them of eatable plants in area. The FAK I don't wont to go to far so just basic. Shelter is one of the first things that I will be doing. Thanks.
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Postby Funk » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:41 pm

I have never had much use for glowsticks and they do seem a little cost inhibitive. Moving at night through trails is always a bad idea and last resort. If you're staying the night, it's maybe better to spend the little cash on some cheapo flashlights. It doesn't need to be one per person or anything, but a couple being handy will be good for bathroom runs or things that go bump in the night.

I did find a cool little survival kit type item at a local discount store called Ollies. Cheapo chinese stuff thats plastic made but 2 flashlights and 2 compasses all for 2 bucks. Figured i would see them at walmart or kmart sometime but i haven't yet. Its a squeeze dynamo flashlight and has a combination whistle/thermometer/compass/magnifying glass kit on a keychain. Maybe you could find something like this. Though the mercury thermometer does kind of worry me if it was in my pocket, but im weird like that.

Maybe do the needle in the leaf with some water trick to teach them to make their own compass. If the sky is clear, showing how to tell direction with the stars and with the sun is pretty handy. Wear a watch with hands and show them that directional trick too.

Trash bags have been pointed out and its a great idea. They can be made into a rainsuit, a shelter, used to carry water, make a float for crossing water, and just extra insulation for cold nights. They can be ripped into strips, rolled, and used for makeshift bindings for a shelter. They seem to very handy for holding trash as well.

Teach them about losing all your heat through you head area and to the ground and ways to combat it. If you build a shelter try and make it a big one for a fun group project but remind them that a personal shelter should be small and tight.

If it is windy make a fire pit with a vent. Dig a little in the ground, heap earth and rocks around it and dig a vent trench to provide oxygen to it. Its a handy fire to know and it keeps flying embers to a minimum. Show them how to find dry firewood with standing dead stuff.

Show them the best places to find water, how to follow animal trails to it and the safest method of getting the cleaner stuff. Maybe how to make a solar still with a hole, trash bag and something to catch the water in.

Teaching them that keeping a cool head, not overdoing it physically and to remain alert to hazards and their surroundings is the most important and the hardest to teach. Try and recite some survival tales to them. "This guy in Utah was lost in the mountains for weeks and he used..." What he did wrong and what he did right sort of thing. If they know others have been able to do it poorly and still live, they wont be so intimidated if they're ever lost.

Remind them about marking trails and paths and keeping tabs on not only where you are going, but where you have been. If you never get lost in the woods, the survival stuff isn't as important. Murphy will always find a way to screw you over of course so we prepare for the worst, but prevention is better than recovery.


If I was making a cheap lightweight kit up for others and was maximizing dollars with bulk type items Id go with...

Trash Bags - already covered
Fishing line - 30 lb test or so for snares, tying stuff, and of course fish
Aluminum foil - Cooking and water boiling, many uses, handy and cheap
Rope - ditto
Cheap compass - again if you can find them
Water bottles - you have
Knives - the best tool in the world, cost prohibitive as gifts but maybe they can byok
Bandages - for the knives. sounds like you have this covered but wouldnt hurt for them to have a couple band-aids to help prevent nicks and scratches from becoming infected. A couple disposable alcohol swabs maybe too.
Bic lighter - Cheap, easy fire
Fish hooks - maybe skip these, crazy dangerous at times
Duct tape - You have that covered
Snickers Marathon Protein Bar (Caramel Nut Rush) Omg they're tasty!
Space blanket - You have covered
Maps - Make extra copies, they're almost free, Cover in clear tape for cheapo water resistance
Chlorine Tabs - water purification

All i can think of for now. Just remember to check the weather first, charge your cellphone, pack yourself a decent bob and extra food if needed to take along and let others know where you are going and when you are returning. Teaching the youngsters is a great thing, good job and have fun!
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Postby Funk » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:50 pm

Since i take forever to type, especially while watching Law and Order i didn't catch WW's post til after i submit mine. What he said about keeping pace and being aware of your surroundings cant be repeated enough though. I swear I have seen more people hurt themselves on the very last stretch of the hike because they're tired and think they're home free.

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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:05 pm

There is an element of risk involved in edible plants especially to those that have never eaten anything outside of the supermarket. Look at this information about cattails.

http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants ... tails.html

“Young cattail shoots resemble non-poisonous calamus (Acorus calamus), and poisonous daffodil (Amaryllidaceae) and iris (Iris species) shoots, which have similar leaves”

Note the word “poisonous”. Personally if looking to impart such knowledge showing someone is worth even more than a photo. A description without photo is just looking for trouble with some plants. But still food is very low on my list. Some things like using charcoal from a fire to settle an upset stomach is worth knowing as GI issues are common place in unfamiliar settings. Also works to sweeten water. Like the stove this is not necessary but sometimes a little project offers more in terms of physiological pay off than in physical returns. A good mind set is more valuable than gear any day of the week.

Fire is one of those things that keeps the boogy (spelling?)man away too. Looking into a camp fire clears the head. Does wonders for the cold too. Stuff like white birch bark will ignite with a spark and still burn when wet. Often even when packing cottonballs soaked with Vaseline I will still pick some up if walking past a dead tree as the oils in the bark still do their magic. No need to denuder the forest by ripping bark off live trees unless there are no other options.

For the FAK I too would keep it simple. I suck at FAK knowledge and believe it is actually more dangerous to have items without the knowledge to use them.
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Postby Shift_lock » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:10 pm

Hey Blazeben,

Im about to come to the US to teach wilderness camping to kids in 6 weeks.

Do you have a structured Itinerary yet?

I think thats the most productive way for us to help you from here!

If you have an hour by hour account we can probably fill any time gaps you have with suggestions and alter estimates on how much time certain activities will take for you.
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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:16 pm

Thanks Funk. List:
Trash Bags - X(Have tons from home)
Fishing line - X(I'm a big fisher)
Aluminum foil - X (dollar store)
Rope - ? (phil_in_cs if in time)
Cheap compass - X? (two think thats plenty? Teams?)
Water bottles - X(Poweraid work)
Knives - X (I always have plenty)
Bandages - X (I will have on me)
Bic lighter - X (Should have plenty that I have (smoker))
Fish hooks - X (Big fisherman again)
Duct tape - X ("You have that covered")
Snickers Marathon Protein Bar - (Don't have to pricey)
Space blanket - X ("You have covered") (Got one from Rescue Essentials too)
Maps - X (Have and edible plants in area both laminated (work free lol))
Chlorine Tabs - X (Getting from buddy who use them for his pool)
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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:22 pm

Shift_lock wrote:Hey Blazeben,

Im about to come to the US to teach wilderness camping to kids in 6 weeks.

Do you have a structured Itinerary yet?

I think thats the most productive way for us to help you from here!

If you have an hour by hour account we can probably fill any time gaps you have with suggestions and alter estimates on how much time certain activities will take for you.


I got the shell of it and still filling then I'll type up and post when I think it looks good. Thanks.
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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:36 pm

There are simple navigation tricks too. The sun rises in the east, is in the south at its meridian height and sets in the west. We all know this but nothing drives the fact home more than showing it using a compass. Often this really makes people begin to think about compass and nav skills. Sure did for me years ago. :D A wind blowing smoke to the north is under the influence of a southerly air mass. Smoke blowing south is being pushed by wind from the north. Any perditions of weather I guess will be up to experience of the observer based on the location. I personally believe in the ring around the moon trick.

Does this ring mean bad weather in a few days? I think so but without my weather band ratio in the field witchcraft like this is all I have.

http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonring/

Some critters seem to have an almost supernatural ability to predict a change in weather. I suspect they gain clues from looking at others. For all I know they are watching me. :lol: Little song birds start to act up before and after a storm moves in. During the winter I have observed chickadees increasing activity before a cold snap breaks even though I couldn’t feel the warm air move in.

I have seen flies drop to the ground before a nasty thunderstorm hits. Does this mean they can feel the reduction in pressure even before the clouds move in? Am I just pulling together un related actions into false concussions? Maybe but if the birds and bugs are acting up and I have been out in the woods for a while I take notice.

Often decisions on what to do about weather can make all the difference in the field. Is the snow a passing flurry or the start of a Nor Easter? Often like the birds bad weather just feels bad before it is actually bad. Better to spend the energy collecting extra firewood and make a better shelter than risk freezing. But this is subjective and hard to teach. Plus it all could be just bullshit from an overactive imagination. :oops:
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Postby blazeben » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:14 am

BOBing plan.
DAY ONE
6:30-7:00Gather guys at ****** home. Give equipment and explain equipment. Buddy grouping?

8:00 Leave.

8:30-9:00 Arvie. Find site and find way to river.

10:00 Start shelter building and set up.

12:00ish Navigation.

12:30 Gather fire wood.

11:00-11:30 Fire building and starting.

1:00 Pass out edible food list and look for a few (cook something) eat.

2:00 Explain more equipment test some out.

3:00 Gather water add purify.

4:00 Relax and talk.

5:00-5:30 Little first aid.

6:00 Gather more wood.

7:00 Dinner (fish or something).

8:00 Night equipment.

9:00 Sleep,Talk (free do what ever).

DAY TWO

6:00-7:00-8:00 Breakfast

9:00 Water run and "Morning ...releaf"

10:00 General dangers talk.

10:30 Let them do some things without us.

11:30 Show off my BOB.

12:30 Show of my FAK.

1:00 Lunch.

2:00 Gather and go on a log hike.

5:00 Rest and eat a little.

6:00 Wood run.

6:30 Water run.

7:00 Dinner.

8:00 Questions and such.

8:30-9:00 Sleep and talk.

DAY THREE

6:00-7:00-8:00 Breakfast.

9:00 Pack-up.

10:00 Leave no trace.

11:00 Leave.

12:00 Back at ****** house unpack and set up there 'Keep' equipment.

2:00 Me and buddy review over a cold one and see if we wont to do it again.
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Postby Woods Walker » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:56 am

With the exception of the departure time and even that is questionable hard to tell just how long something will take. I am not sure how the fire would be started without the wood.

12:30 Gather fire wood.

11:00-11:30 Fire building and starting.

1:00 Pass out edible food list and look for a few (cook something) eat.

Clearly a typo but thinking things will get messed up some especially on the first day. Also I would pack along some food. Sure no one is going to die but low blood sugar etc can make people do stupid things. Hard to depend on fish and plants for food unless you know the area produces. Also I would check on the physical condition of the people first. In my Frat we used to have them fill out a questionnaire about their heath before the hazing (usually instigated by myself) would hit full force. Hazing in now mostly illegal and I don’t recommend it.

Keep a real close eye on them for dehydration. Heat stroke can come on fast and believe it or not can be a killer even if conditions don’t seem all that harsh. I think some kid died in a survival camp last year. The person running it was a dope and this was an extreme example but often guys will not admit they need anything or are hurt. I have seen it before in a group of hikers.
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Postby phil_in_cs » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:14 am

I'd second the idea of bringing some foods. While the idea is to teach them how to bug out and live without any extras, you want the overall experience to be positive. This will take practice and repetition on their part, so you want to make sure they are all willing to do it again.

You said most of the kids haven't been out other than RV camping. One of them can carry a small cooler with some hot dogs or something to make a meal more fun. I remember being taught that way: "Ok, here's the good stuff we brought, now we're on our own!"

Foraging for food isn't too hard, but it takes a very long time. You said you fish a lot, so you know that can be quick or slow, depending on things largely outside of your control.

Thanks for taking an interest in the boys! Our nation would be a better place if more guys still did that.
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Postby blazeben » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:19 pm

Well I am not going to quote you both so here it goes: I will have food with me. The cooking and stuff is the store food I don't even know how much food we will gather. I will have a gallon of water per person but I wont to push how importing water is. This is just a rough plan everything will probably get changed around. I just put time on it to help think about the time it might give me so I could plan better. I do have there info for health and such and had it for a bit, I did that so I know what to plan for it. Anything else? Thank you.
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Postby phil_in_cs » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:44 pm

I had sworn I already posted a reply, but anyway...

I think you're set pretty good. Things will change when when you get to the woods (no plan survives contact with the enemy, and all that) but if you keep the focus on having fun and learning cool stuff you will do great with the boys.
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Postby suntzu » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:20 pm

Something that you can teach them around the campfire. Looking directly into the fire destroys your night vision. Keeping your back or side to the fire and not looking into the fire will help protect your night vision. When moving around at night and having to use your flashlight, closing one eye while the light is on will help restore your night vision at a faster rate.

With the campfire, teach them the advantages of a small fire, as well as the advantage of a heat reflector. Which wood leaves little smoke, or a lot of smoke for signaling. How heavy brush over a small fire will help disperse the smoke if you don't want to be found.

You can also teach them about picking landmarks, and the importance of picking the right landmarks, something unusual, as well as picking out landmarks opposite of your direction of travel. Teach them as well about policing the campsite, and the importance of Leave No Trace. Also teach them about signaling techniques. Proper techniques for crossing streams. Woods Walker talked about whether or not you should try to cross a stream/creek at night. I think that, depending on the situation, that it is important to cross a stream that is fordable when you come to it, because rain far away can cause a stream to swell to something unfordable, or dangerous to ford, during the night or in the next hour. You could also show them Woods Walkers water bottle fishing kit since you will be near a river; also how to run a trot line, with improvised bait.

How about snares? If you know how to make these, or have some store bought snares, show them proper location and technique and how often to check the snares. You could also teach them about smoking your clothing and body with pine boughs to cover human scent.

That's all I have for now.
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Postby Shift_lock » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:17 pm

Sorry i took a while to get back on this, and before i did it looks like ppl beat me to what i had to say!

+10 on getting medical history.

As for your itinerary you seem pretty sorted, remember to take it with you, but be prepared for things not to go to plan. my only change would be maybe to add more physical activity to the evening, wide games are good for this. this way when you get them to go to bed there will be a remote chance they will actually sleep instead of being up all night talking!
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Postby blazeben » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:32 pm

Shift_lock wrote:...remember to take it with you, but be prepared for things not to go to plan. .....this way when you get them to go to bed there will be a remote chance they will actually sleep instead of being up all night talking!


I know the times are just there for me. OH, I plan on working them hard and getting them tired. lol
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Postby blazeben » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:14 pm

phil_in_cs wrote:Assuming the spool of paracord I bought from Gunny shows up in time, I will send you a couple 100' and some glow sticks. PM me your address.

Would you rather have a 50' piece for each of them, or one long piece?

Before you go, work on setting up the tent(s) in somebody's back yard, and some fire building skills (assuming you're building a fire; that's restricted in many state/federal forests in TX)


Thanks Phil I just got it today the 10 glow sticks and the paracord. Question how long is it? LOL I feel lazy and guessing you measured it. How did you seal the end i see tool marks and it looks good? (BIC and pliers?) Thanks again.
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Postby phil_in_cs » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:29 pm

blazeben wrote:
phil_in_cs wrote:Assuming the spool of paracord I bought from Gunny shows up in time, I will send you a couple 100' and some glow sticks. PM me your address.

Would you rather have a 50' piece for each of them, or one long piece?

Before you go, work on setting up the tent(s) in somebody's back yard, and some fire building skills (assuming you're building a fire; that's restricted in many state/federal forests in TX)


Thanks Phil I just got it today the 10 glow sticks and the paracord. Question how long is it? LOL I feel lazy and guessing you measured it. How did you seal the end i see tool marks and it looks good? (BIC and pliers?) Thanks again.


Wow, I'm glad I didn't pay for express shipping. I just posted it Friday; 2000 miles over a weekend is pretty damn fast. The paracord is 275 or 300 feet. I set up two posts 25' apart and its some number of those loops.

bic and pliers FTW. I've made several dozen ashiko drums using a similar rope (kevlar core so it won't stretch, costs 3x paracord) and I got good at making sharp points for threading the lacing.
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Postby blazeben » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:58 am

Well I just delayed it to next weekend well maybe. It's this group of bad weather. At least it gives me more time to get this nicely squared away.
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Postby blazeben » Mon May 05, 2008 4:37 pm

blazeben wrote:Well I just delayed it to next weekend well maybe. It's this group of bad weather. At least it gives me more time to get this nicely squared away.


OK,If the weather stays like it is now we will be going out this weekend. Thank you all for your input and is there anything else?
FlatlinesUp wrote:I got worms from Apollo. :shock:


Jeriah wrote:.....up close this thing is TERRIFYING.

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