Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

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Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:04 pm

Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Some time ago I was sent a proto type Ti-goat cylinder stove for testing. The stove is basically the same as the production model with the exception of a 3-inch stove port. The production stove uses a 2 3/8 port and pipe. Here is some info from the Ti-goat site:

http://www.titaniumgoat.com/cstove.html

"The new Vortex Cylinder Stove, takes down smaller, weighs less, and it puts out more heat than stoves twice its size. While
wood burning stoves are not what some would call "ultra light" , this one is as light as they get. While not as bomb proof as
our box vortex stove, the titanium body section, cylindrical shape, and damper, make this stove burn very efficiently. The
Vortex Cylinder Stove is very basic, its been stripped down to pure light weight function, while still retaining big performance.
You get the same stainless roll up pipe that is on our box stoves, but in a smaller diameter, along with the same great heat
transfer properties of titanium in the roll up portion of the body. I know, how do you cook on a round top stove? No problem
we have pots that conform to the stoves. The pots are the Wally World grease pot with an arc formed into the bottom.
Standard features:

-Stainless roll up pipe
-Titanium roll up body
-Damper
-Storage bags
-Snow platform/vegetation

protection patch

Options:
-Form fit pot
-Titanium pipe

Specifications:

Weight: 11oz stove body,
15oz pipe assembly (6.5'
pipe for Vertex 6) 3.5oz for
bags and snow platform.

Size: 6.25" diameter by
12"
long, for 368 cubic inches.

Price: $175 with 6.5' pipe"

The stove and pipe packs down very small.

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Here is a view of all the components. These include a rollup pipe, Ti rollup stove body, wire loops for stove and pipe, stove ends, door flap, damper, inline spark screen and wing nuts. I added a collar from my Kifaru stove as this increased the spark screens to 3 and slowed the whole system down. The price paid is a few seconds of smoke on start up but this tends to happen to all my stoves when using more than two screens. Removing one or two of the Kifaru screens on start-up alleviates this minor issue.

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Setup of this stove can be difficult. I would compare it to pushing two soda cans together when making an alcohol stove. It is either an exercise of humiliation or a simple affair. After a few times I can set up the stove and pipe in about 5-minutes. But you don’t want to the do this the first time in the field.

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This pipe was taken from my Paratipi setup. It is 3-inches by 5-foot. The one from Ti-goat is similar. Setting up the pipe is easy with practice. Care must be taken not to cut ones fingers on the sharp edge. This danger is reduced after a few burns. All one needs to do is slide the wire loops over the pipe and attach a wing nut at the end. After that the inline spark screen is pushed into the pipe and the damper slides into the stove end. The inline spark screen must be pushed at least 5 inches into the pipe to keep it from sliding down into the damper. The spark arrester is non removable during operation however the heat appears to make it self cleaning. That looks to be the case anyways. I will have to do further testing with some softwood to see if this holds true.

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The stoves weight feels about the same as a full soda can. Here I am picking it up with just my fingers.

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The door opening is small and there is not a lot of room to feed thicker sticks. The best way to fire it up is using a cotton ball soaked with Vaseline.

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It does not take long before a good fire is burning. The round opening and shape of the stove increases the efficiency of the draft.

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The door flap on mine is a proto type but I don’t think it has been much improved on the production model. This is a bare bones UL system. I find the door works best if placed on the ground to cover the opening. The downside being it will rattle a bit as the air flows around it.

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Cooking on a cylinder shaped stove is no easy task. The stove does come with a modified Wally world aluminum grease pot. It has a bend in the bottom conforming to the shape of the stove. The pot is stable but lacks a handle. There are commercially available pot handles so I will be purchase one in a few weeks and report back. It is possible to balance an unmodified cup on the top but it can be dumped if someone is careless.

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Disassembly is very fast. Just unhook one of the spring wire loops and the stove comes apart in seconds.

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The stove's heat output is instant and extreme. The thin Ti body and Stainless pipe transfers heat very efficiently. My tent heated up almost instantly. But the thin stove does not retain heat like a heaver sheet metal stove. It seems to have a reasonable burn time for such a small fire box. Never timed this but think it must be around ½ hour or maybe more.

I do have one concern that needs to be worked out. I added a fiberglass shield to protect the ground as the stove is just an inch above the earth. I believe this is the same material that both Kifaru and Ti-goat use in their stove jacks and may have been included in the production model for a ground cloth. However my testing has shown the heat of the stove burns the fiberglass and the ground under it. The result is a slow but steady smoldering. I will have to work out another solution for this. Maybe put the stove on a few rocks or make a wire stand.

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Pros:

1. It is the most UL tent stove I have ever seen.
2. Fast heating.
3. Super small pack down.
4. Comes with a damper.
5. Interesting spark inline spark screen.

Cons:

1. Expensive
2. Less durable than other UL stoves on the market.
3. Hard to setup without practice.
4. Challenging to cook on.
5. Does not retain heat once the fire burns down.
6. Sits low to the ground.

Conclusions:

I need more testing to determine overall durability. But wow thing is so UL. I can’t recommend this stove 100% without more experience in the field. As it stands this is my second trip using the Ti-goat stove beyond a few burns in the back yard. There are some things I need to work out but like the performance. A tent stove is not for everyone. But for those in colder areas a stove can provide warmth, light and cooking during the worse weather.

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Postby AltimGXE » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:50 am

Very nice review WW, thanks :) For cooking support, what if you used two more of those wire supports spaced a few inches apart at the top? That might be enough to hold a flat bottomed pot steady. Obviously not as stable as a flat cooking surface, but at least you could use your nice Ti cookware without banging curves into it.
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Postby Obiwan » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:11 am

Very cool....I cannot ever see myself using one in anything other than a base camp type situation (with a cooking tent) but it looks like a neat system
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Postby E » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:54 pm

very nice man stove you got there! I'm not sure about the fiberglass burning... maybe you can get a small patch of nomex or something similar to put where the burn spot was?

And also, what tent are you using in the picture? Seems pretty spacious, just from the picture
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Postby Woods Walker » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:37 pm

Obiwan.

It all depends on the weather for me. During winter I like to take off my jacket of and rest by a warm stove. Take a sponge bath and cook my food protected from snow and wind. I stop packing a wood stove in both my BOB and field gear by mid April. After that lighter solutions like my Hennessy hammock, tarps or Golite Hex are deployed. The Pocket Rocket takes care of cooking. As for this stove the weight is around 1lb 14oz complete. Not all that bad.

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Yea I need to work something out to shield the bottom. The tent is a Kifaru Paratipi. There are tons of photos of the thing floating round. I did take a bunch of photos with the intent of a formal review. Not certain if anyone wants a review of a shelter outside of the price range of most people so I have not taken the time to write it up. I did the review of this stove more for information on the homemade stove thread. People wanted to know about the rollup pipe and other parts used in UL tent stoves.
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Postby E » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:46 pm

Woods Walker wrote:E

Yea I need to work something out to shield the bottom. The tent is a Kifaru Paratipi. There are tons of photos of the thing floating round. I did take a bunch of photos with the intent of a formal review. Not certain if anyone wants a review of a shelter outside of the price range of most people so I have not taken the time to write it up. I did the review of this stove more for information on the homemade stove thread. People wanted to know about the rollup pipe and other parts used in UL tent stoves.


yeah it is kinda spendy. I really like the design though. PM will be sent shortly so to not muck up the thread
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Postby CAMOEDTJ » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:41 pm

nice stove woods all though i think i would still prefer my med kifaru stove compared to tig. IMO seems like the kifaru is or would be more stable and with 4 legs to get it up off the ground, and not have to carry around the xtra glass mat to lay the stove on.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby Biff » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:18 pm

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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:31 pm

E.

I will get back to you on that PM.

Camoedtj.

I like my Kifaru stove better than the Ti-goat roll-up. What Ti-goat stove do you have?

Biff.

I will check on that. If there is time I will take the Ti-goat stove out this weekend and try using rocks. Rocks are in short supply during winter. Mostly covered by snow or frozen to the ground. Should not be an issue during early spring.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby CAMOEDTJ » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:40 pm

Biff wrote:
Woods Walker wrote: . . . I do have one concern that needs to be worked out. I added a fiberglass shield to protect the ground as the stove is just an inch above the earth. . . .

Hi WW. Great write-up, as usual.

There is a silica based fabric which looks a lot like fiberglass. It is made by several manufacturers, and is variously known as Siltemp, Refrasil, and Silicaflex. If you surf over to McMaster-Carr and enter "silica cloth" into the Find Products field, you will be taken to a catalog page where you can order it by the foot.



i think i would look at the silica cloth a little bit deeper in reguards to safety factors.. i remember finding some info on inhaling the fumes that are emitted when the silica cloth gets hot,, something to the fact of lung damage but i cant remember for sure what the info said that i found, i was going to use some of this cloth a long time ago for a stove jack untill i found the info on it!! like i said i could be wrong on this since it was quite a while ago i stumbled on to that info.

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Postby CAMOEDTJ » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:52 pm

here is some info on the silica cloth i was talking about
http://www.auburnmfg.com/amisil_techrep ... ~mainFrame
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Postby Woods Walker » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:19 pm

Thanks CAMOEDTJ. I used a few flat rocks and it worked well.

I took the Ti-goat stove for an overnighter this weekend. I had my first failure with the stove. One of the springs that hold the front and back together was MIA. I had no clue that this part could just slip off the wire. Windy and cold I was in no mood for BS at 6pm 5-miles in. After about 30 minutes I decided to take out the multi tool and cut the spring in half. Than stretch it out to make two of equal size. Worked well but I need to find a new springs and pack extras.
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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:38 pm

Here is an update on the Ti-goat stove.

I replaced the lost springs. Got some from ACE hardware and cut them down to size even made an extra one just in case.

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I tested out using sand from the river. Worked well to protect the ground from smoldering but hardly a winter solution as my hands froze digging out the stuff and even if I packed the camp trowel I would expect trouble.

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The stove burned well but everything was wet. The stove needed to boil off the trapped moisture in the wood before combustion so there was a longer period of cold before the thing got going with each fill. Also I miss having a place to dry the wood under a stove.

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I hanged the pack up to dry it. Works better than just placing it on the ground after the weather breaks.

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So far the stove has worked fairly well. I still prefer my small Kifaru stove as it seems to hold heat a little better and cooking on the rounded top even with the modified cook pot is challenging. On the positive side setting the stove up is getting easier with practice.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby spchtr » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:03 am

could you possibly use a small sheet of aluminum flashing as a reflector to protect the fiberglass a little bit? I know that's what a friend of mine put behind his wood burner in his cabin to keep the wood of the walls from burning, it seemed to work pretty well.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby aa1pr » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:31 am

Very nice review as always!!
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby Woods Walker » Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:35 pm

I want to lift the stove a bit off the ground as it can burn grass etc under and smoke my shelter. So far rocks have worked. Never tried the thing on the snow yet.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby misanthropist » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:48 pm

Good review, I was thinking about these the other day and wondering if you had any thoughts on them...clearly you do!

I'd also like to see a review of that Golite Hex you mention, if you've never done one. I was considering picking one up this year.
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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby Woods Walker » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:51 pm

misanthropist wrote:I'd also like to see a review of that Golite Hex you mention, if you've never done one. I was considering picking one up this year.


Sure odds are if there is a gear item I got it. Here is a review of my Golite Hex.

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Re: Titanium Goat Cylinder stove review.

Postby misanthropist » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:50 pm

Sweet, thanks!
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