What makes a headshot a headshot?

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Postby Obiwan » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:09 pm

Here is what I use for a target

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Re: What makes a headshot a headshot?

Postby Ranked Below » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:39 pm

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dood wrote:Buy a big hunk of brain at a butcher shop and shoot it with a pistol, see what happens.


Dude, you gotta make a shell as hard or harder than the human skull to
be sure if it works.


Heres a slightly better test:
Get your friend.
Tell your friend you need his gun.
Try to shoot through a 2 inch piece of wood into the brain, which must be in a glass jar floating in urine (use water if you want.)


Okay, I was WAY off when I first read "Get your friend." :twisted:

After reading your whole post, yeah, that's probably a good test that will also keep you from going to jail. :lol:[/quote]

Thats was the point of the "Get your friend."...........
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Postby Ranked Below » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:42 pm

Obiwan wrote:Here is what I use for a target

For scale, the circle is 8"


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I use a clown picture.....
I gt a cheap Airsoft rip-off with a target and I traced it and made it crazy.....
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Postby sudaka » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:10 pm

well, headshot by definition its a shot in the head, but it doesnt necessarily kill the victim.

that's why, the best advice is that even if you make the headshot, wait until the zombie drops dead.

in real life, there is a small chance of surviving a headshot but its known to happen.

the idea for pointing for the neck or brainstem is good, but its a very hard hit to make, the head is hard as it is imagine the neck!
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Postby Ranked Below » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:38 am

sudaka wrote:well, headshot by definition its a shot in the head, but it doesnt necessarily kill the victim.

that's why, the best advice is that even if you make the headshot, wait until the zombie drops dead.

in real life, there is a small chance of surviving a headshot but its known to happen.

the idea for pointing for the neck or brainstem is good, but its a very hard hit to make, the head is hard as it is imagine the neck!


If you have a huge calibre, try to sever the mid body!
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Re: What makes a headshot a headshot?

Postby gabe » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:13 pm

Slinky wrote:why waste ammo when blunt objects work just fine.



A bullet is usually a blunt object, just moving really fast
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Postby JeffTheHunter » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:48 pm

Referring to "The Ultimate Sniper", Maj John Plaster MACV-SOG

It seems that the kill area is a "T ZONE", much like the dermatological term. A rectangle that encompasses both eyes with a T-bar running down the nose and stopping just before the bridge of the nose. From the side, a square over the ear, from the jawbone to 2-3" away from the anterior of the head.

Thats what I'd go for.


For head-shot practice, get some standard index cards and cut them in half widthways. Have a buddy go down range and place 2-3 of these on each target in random locations. The buzzer goes off, the timer starts and you turn around, draw and engage the targets, two shots per square. Thats how we do it :) Misses count as minus two points, so it's a very bad thing to do.
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Postby TardArm » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:44 pm

Except their moving, theirs multiple, your gonna be scared shitless, it may be at night or at different inclines..theres so many variables.
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Postby PJD642 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:52 am

medulla oblongata (sp?) and brainstem. Destroy the portion that makes 'em go. Frontal cranium & stuff might not do the trick, since they're probably working on more basic instincts & not higher functions like math or speech.
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Postby Drake122 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:45 pm

I'd always thought it would be the type of round not just calibre.

A Hollow point to the head would probably do the most damage than a FMJ

However I don't really know

You'd need to ask someone who has actual combat experience or something
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Postby gravediggerfour » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:58 pm

As bad as it is to use the movie SWAT as an example, useing playing cards is a cheap and easy way to improve skills such as positive id of target and placement in a small kill area. But alas unless you got a multi thousand dollar sniper rifle placeing more then one round in this area out past 350 is next to impossible as to the fact bullets and rifles are not that acurate without the human factor involved. Unless you are Major Plaster himself who I belive also stated trying for a 100 meter plus head shot should be advoided in a sniper sitution go for the sure hit of a body shot which can be hit with training out to 800-1000 meters with a great rifle. Would you engage a zombie at such distance when all your target area is the size of the 2 of freaking hearts? I would take the shot if less then 300 with out a second thought.
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Postby gravediggerfour » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:59 pm

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Postby Ranked Below » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:28 am

PJD642 wrote:medulla oblongata (sp?) and brainstem. Destroy the portion that makes 'em go. Frontal cranium & stuff might not do the trick, since they're probably working on more basic instincts & not higher functions like math or speech.


Actually the "medulla oblongata" is the decision making part of the brain, and quite a high function.
Sure, its regarded as the "control centre" but it can be severed and leave the victim living (without higher function).
What you want to hit is behind it, as a shot with a hollow point to that area will probably take down any target.
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Postby Ranked Below » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:28 am

sudaka wrote:well, headshot by definition its a shot in the head, but it doesnt necessarily kill the victim.

that's why, the best advice is that even if you make the headshot, wait until the zombie drops dead.

in real life, there is a small chance of surviving a headshot but its known to happen.

the idea for pointing for the neck or brainstem is good, but its a very hard hit to make, the head is hard as it is imagine the neck!


If your below the target the brainstem shot is a lot easier.
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Postby gravediggerfour » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:00 am

so your saying that shooting from the prone position while also being the most stable firing position also offers the best angle??? Im not sure I will want to do to much laying around at ground level with zombies stumbling around trying to find a little gravediggerfour buffet.
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Postby Citizen Simon » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:17 am

gravediggerfour wrote:so your saying that shooting from the prone position while also being the most stable firing position also offers the best angle??? Im not sure I will want to do to much laying around at ground level with zombies stumbling around trying to find a little gravediggerfour buffet.


The question was about head shots, not if laying the prone is a good idea when zombies are about. Obviously no one is going to lay in the prone when they might get snatched up. If the situation permits then the prone is a good idea. A better discussion for Combat Tactics, which is the section just below the biology one.
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Postby Ranked Below » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:23 am

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gravediggerfour wrote:so your saying that shooting from the prone position while also being the most stable firing position also offers the best angle??? Im not sure I will want to do to much laying around at ground level with zombies stumbling around trying to find a little gravediggerfour buffet.


The question was about head shots, not if laying the prone is a good idea when zombies are about. Obviously no one is going to lay in the prone when they might get snatched up. If the situation permits then the prone is a good idea. A better discussion for Combat Tactics, which is the section just below the biology one.


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Postby gravediggerfour » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:24 am

yeah thanks got it. I think we had strayed from the thread long before you guys added your two cents worth.
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Postby GravediggerTripleSix » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:34 am

At anywhere past 300 meters a zombie is considered scenery.
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Postby Citizen Simon » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:34 am

gravediggerfour wrote:yeah thanks got it. I think we had strayed from the thread long before you guys added your two cents worth.

Not so much, just two posts, one of which by someone who is now banned. Even then, those posts were about the difficulty of headshots, where as yours had nothing to do with them at all. :oops:
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Postby Ranked Below » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:32 am

A highshot through a temple might also work, though the angle is difficult to get.
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Postby Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:28 am

Ranked Below wrote:A highshot through a temple might also work, though the angle is difficult to get.


hm... I don't quite get it?

Can you draw us a diagram of that in MS Paint, save it as a JPEG, open a Photobucket account, upload it to the Photobucket album, copy the Direct Link to it from the Photobucket album and then post it here for us to see?

Maybe make it like a clown, make it crazy.

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Obiwan wrote:Here is what I use for a target

For scale, the circle is 8"


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I use a clown picture.....
I gt a cheap Airsoft rip-off with a target and I traced it and made it crazy.....

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Postby Ranked Below » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:06 pm

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:
Ranked Below wrote:A highshot through a temple might also work, though the angle is difficult to get.


hm... I don't quite get it?

Can you draw us a diagram of that in MS Paint, save it as a JPEG, open a Photobucket account, upload it to the Photobucket album, copy the Direct Link to it from the Photobucket album and then post it here for us to see?

Maybe make it like a clown, make it crazy.

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Obiwan wrote:Here is what I use for a target

For scale, the circle is 8"


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I use a clown picture.....
I gt a cheap Airsoft rip-off with a target and I traced it and made it crazy.....

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I understand none of that.
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Postby Buddha » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:31 am

Ranked Below wrote:
Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:
Ranked Below wrote:A highshot through a temple might also work, though the angle is difficult to get.


hm... I don't quite get it?

Can you draw us a diagram of that in MS Paint, save it as a JPEG, open a Photobucket account, upload it to the Photobucket album, copy the Direct Link to it from the Photobucket album and then post it here for us to see?

Maybe make it like a clown, make it crazy.

Ranked Below wrote:
Obiwan wrote:Here is what I use for a target

For scale, the circle is 8"


Image


I use a clown picture.....
I gt a cheap Airsoft rip-off with a target and I traced it and made it crazy.....

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I understand none of that.


EXACTLY :shock:
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