Bump in the night belt

by **Izaya** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:13 pm

Alright so I had an idea and I was wondering if anyone else does anything similar? Basically I was thinking about putting together a bump in the night belt that I would keep in my nightstand, with dedicated holster, spare mags holster, backup light pouch, and zip tie pouch. Does anyone around here do anyone similar?

by **Mall Ninja** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:39 pm

Well, sort of. I have my pants that I'm expecting to wear the next day all preloaded with most of my edc and ccw, so if there is a bump in the night, the fire alarm goes off or an earthquake shakes me out of bed, I can just pull these on and have much of what I need. I dont keep the pistol in the holster but I do keep the spare mag in the carrier.

by **whisk.e.rebellion** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:54 pm

Pants on floor (with belt already looped). Pistol inside paddle holster inside small safe inside nightstand. Dedicated flashlight on nightstand. I'm about 20 seconds from snore to dressed, and armed, but still groggy and wondering WTF is going on.

by **SwampRat** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:00 am

Zip tie pouch?

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by **Izaya** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:08 am

SwampRat wrote:Zip tie pouch?

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I like heavy duty zip ties bettert than hand cuffs

by **Justin Appleseed** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:23 am

I will not zip tie or handcuff anyone for any reason ever! Especially in a defensive situation. The Legal ramifications are horrid.
If I've made the choice to draw my weapon it's because I'm going to be killed/injured and I'm not going to shoot to wound, hold at gun point, or attempt to arrest the perp. He's made his decision to do harm to me or my family, I'll use all my training to put him down with either bullets, knife, or hands. As far as being ready, I have a US Palm Defender for my SA XDm, provides level IIIA body armor, my pistol, and two extra mags, takes less than 5 seconds to put it on.

by **Regular Guy** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:31 am

Mine.

by **BullOnParade** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:10 am

Justin Appleseed wrote:I will not zip tie or handcuff anyone for any reason ever! Especially in a defensive situation. The Legal ramifications are horrid.
If I've made the choice to draw my weapon it's because I'm going to be killed/injured and I'm not going to shoot to wound, hold at gun point, or attempt to arrest the perp. He's made his decision to do harm to me or my family, I'll use all my training to put him down with either bullets, knife, or hands. As far as being ready, I have a US Palm Defender for my SA XDm, provides level IIIA body armor, my pistol, and two extra mags, takes less than 5 seconds to put it on.

Never say "never anyone", some people are into that sort of thing. I will never restrain someone who is intending to do me bodily harm as long as social order and current laws are standing.

by **Izaya** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:27 am

If I could get the person to give up instead of having to shoot him, I'm not going to hold him down for 15 minutes until the cops get there, I would restrain him

by **Izaya** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:29 am

Regular Guy wrote:

Mine.

Very nice, basically what I had envisioned in my head. May I ask a list of the contents?

by **Blacksmith** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:32 am

Light body armor with toys attached. I can put it on in the same amount of time I can put on a belt.

by **Regular Guy** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:44 am

Izaya wrote:
Regular Guy wrote:

Mine.

Very nice, basically what I had envisioned in my head. May I ask a list of the contents?

It's an ARES belt, MaxPed double 20rd pouch + 2 Lancer 20rd mag w/ 77gr Blackhills OTM, Condor dbl pistol and single pistol + Surefire G2, ACU medi pack, two NAR Izzy bandages, 2 NAR TQs, Mora knife, Glock 20 and 2 pistol mags. I also have a IIIA vest.

by **Izaya** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 am

Blacksmith wrote:Light body armor with toys attached. I can put it on in the same amount of time I can put on a belt.

Very nice alternative, probably faster than a belt too

by **Izaya** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:10 am

Regular Guy wrote:
Izaya wrote:
Regular Guy wrote:

Mine.

Very nice, basically what I had envisioned in my head. May I ask a list of the contents?

It's an ARES belt, MaxPed double 20rd pouch + 2 Lancer 20rd mag w/ 77gr Blackhills OTM, Condor dbl pistol and single pistol + Surefire G2, ACU medi pack, two NAR Izzy bandages, 2 NAR TQs, Mora knife, Glock 20 and 2 pistol mags. I also have a IIIA vest.

Very nice

by **Regular Guy** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:18 am

Thanks. I wasn't all that expensive to make. The biggest cost was the belt itself. What I like is I can throw on some pants, shirt and click the belt on then I'm ready to go. No foggy fiddling with trying to get my arms into a vest, no messing with straps or suspenders.

by **Doctorr Fabulous** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:04 pm

1. Check your local laws. Restraining an intruder could be a legal issue. I'm certain there could be a civil suit if your cat burglar has a good lawyer.
2. With an M4, flexicuffs, a plate carrier, and a guarantee from my BC that if I shoot someone (and honestly think I or another was in danger) that he'll back me in front of anyone who comes asking questions, I will not flexicuff anyone by myself. Hell, I won't do it unless the guy covering me know how I move, and which way the guy getting cuffed is gonna fly if we scrap. That's just asking for a concealed weapon, or a grappling match wherein I can't get my gun into play. Now even if you do break contact and shoot El Duderino, you've gone from legitimate threat

"Officer, he entered my home, I drew, he surrendered, and I held him at gunpoint until you arrived"
to legal fiasco:
"THANK GOD YOU'RE HERE OFFICER! This freak tried to cuff me and he said he was gonna make me pay and he kept waving that gun at me, so I tried to run from that maniac and he shot me!"

TL:DR If you try to cuff someone in your house without their express written consent, I reserve the right to point and laugh when you get shanked/shot with your own gun/sued for double what you're worth/charged with any number of felonies.

by **MacWa77ace** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:38 pm

Doc Torr wrote:1. Check your local laws. Restraining an intruder could be a legal issue. I'm certain there could be a civil suit if your cat burglar has a good lawyer.
2. With an M4, flexicuffs, a plate carrier, and a guarantee from my BC that if I shoot someone (and honestly think I or another was in danger) that he'll back me in front of anyone who comes asking questions, I will not flexicuff anyone by myself. Hell, I won't do it unless the guy covering me know how I move, and which way the guy getting cuffed is gonna fly if we scrap. That's just asking for a concealed weapon, or a grappling match wherein I can't get my gun into play. Now even if you do break contact and shoot El Duderino, you've gone from legitimate threat

"Officer, he entered my home, I drew, he surrendered, and I held him at gunpoint until you arrived"
to legal fiasco:
"THANK GOD YOU'RE HERE OFFICER! This freak tried to cuff me and he said he was gonna make me pay and he kept waving that gun at me, so I tried to run from that maniac and he shot me!"

TL:DR If you try to cuff someone in your house without their express written consent, I reserve the right to point and laugh when you get shanked/shot with your own gun/sued for double what you're worth/charged with any number of felonies.

Leagally: If you witness a felony you can put the suspect under citizens' arrest unless you live in North Carolina. At that point you may restrain the suspect and call the police. You'd then inform the officers upon thier arrival that you placed the suspect under citizens' arrest. [ Nothing keeps anyone from sueing you or lying to police about what really happend, as we all know.] IRL you have to be ABLE to restrain them.

by **Doctorr Fabulous** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:46 pm

Does the law say you can cuff them? Are you absolved from liability if you cause pain or injury?

by **squinty** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:03 pm

A related concern about holding an intruder at bay: there's an infamous case where an Arizona homeowner held an intruder at gunpoint while the police were enroute to his house. IIRC the wife was on the phone describing the scene the whole time, but may have imagined that part.

The police arrived, entered the house and saw one man with his arms up and another man pointing a weapon at him. They immdiately shot the man holding the weapon - who turned out to be the defender, of course.

OT: used to have a bump in the night bag that had extra keys, extra phone, spare flashlight, pistol and pocketknife and first aid kit in it. Like Blacksmith's idea better.

by **Maverick299** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:08 pm

Every situation is different but there is no way I am going to intentionally get close enough to an intruder to zip tie him/her. I foresee a few conclusions, the intruder running scared out the door (I prefer this one because I will not pursue, once he's out of my house, good riddance) or him/her laying on the floor well ventilated. Hopefully without any new breathing holes in me either!

by **PistolPete** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:31 pm

What's with all you prudes and putting on pants to leave your bedroom? The one time I had an intruder in my house my penis really threw the guy off. I would totally use that to my advantage again.

But a bump in the night belt is a really great idea. I've consider putting together one myself, probably not as involved as Regular Guy's but something more than a light and gun I keep in the safe by my bed now.

by **MacWa77ace** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Doc Torr wrote:Does the law say you can cuff them? Are you absolved from liability if you cause pain or injury?

Here's step by step close to how I learned it. http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Citizen's-Arrest

It addresses some of the previous posted concerns, like getting shot by arriving officers. I would add that when you call the police you should Identify yourself and let them know you are armed [if you are] and describe yourself and the suspect. Note the call to police is #5 out of 6 in this example.

But the hand cuff thing is definetly a question, and your supposed to only use equal force just like you've heard for everything else.

ETA: Security Guards have the power to make a citizens' arrest and make them all the time; and I believe handcuff the suspects, maybe we'll get a comment from one.

by **MacWa77ace** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:34 pm

PistolPete wrote:What's with all you prudes and putting on pants to leave your bedroom? The one time I had an intruder in my house my penis really threw the guy off. I would totally use that to my advantage again.

And from that day forward he was known as PistolPete. :lol:

by **BullOnParade** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:39 pm

PistolPete wrote:What's with all you prudes and putting on pants to leave your bedroom? The one time I had an intruder in my house my penis really threw the guy off. I would totally use that to my advantage again.

But a bump in the night belt is a really great idea. I've consider putting together one myself, probably not as involved as Regular Guy's but something more than a light and gun I keep in the safe by my bed now.

I've been waiting for you to chime in on this one.

Also I think it was Jeriah who wrote something along the lines of "few things are more frightening than a large naked man running at you with a sword", and I believe the context was similar to that of this thread.

I have pants in my BOB in case I need to run out the door in the middle of the night, but no home invader has the right to make me put on pants in my own home.