MARPAT cordura?

[orpheus762x51]

I'm trying to find some authentic MARPAT woodland cordura. I've seen small quantities out there before, but now I'm trying to find some to make a custom pack out of. I'm not interested in the commercial stuff, I'm looking for the same material they use in the ILBE.
~Thanks~

[Exploriment]

Highly unlikely. The real stuff is very tightly controlled. I’ve seen some 1000D Marpat (sans EGA) around once in a while, but it is a very sporadic supply.

[Ten Eight]

What is the difference between them? Is it the materials or is the actual pattern different as well?

[Exploriment]

It’s just the lack of the Eagle, Globe and Anchor device. This shows the tiny imprinted logo. USMC is very adamant that unless they authorize it, nothing be made from material with that logo in it. You might be able to luck into some seconds somewhere. (I have acquired some seconds 70D rip stop, and taffeta MARPAT material). I have seen 1000D Marpat Cordura without the EGA. From what I gather it was quality. But there is a huge machine driving the mills. They’re known as the US Military. Making some EGA-less Cordura (or any other specialty Cordura) for the DIY market is not a priority for the mills. Those quantities pale in comparison to the quantities required by the USA or USMC. If they put in an order for a million yards of coyote brown Cordura for the USMC or 5 million yards of UCP for the USA, making some EGA-less Cordura takes a back seat. They have done those runs in past. Will they again? Maybe. When? Who knows. Keep Googling.

[Crimson Phoenix]

Rocky Woods has woodland and desert MARPAT available in 1000D and 500D cordura from time to time. Currently, they have 1000D cordura with and without the EGA logo in woodland, but neither woodland or desert patterns are available in 500D at this time.

Here's the Woodland MARPAT with EGA

And without.

[Tessaiga]

How about desert MARPAT Gore Tex fabric with the EGA logo on it?

How rare and/or difficult is it to get some of those??

[Exploriment]

I'm going to have to go ahead and say.....forget it. Impossible? No. Likely? Not even remotely. You'd probably have to be friends with someone at the plant that makes something out of it, and they would have to steal some for you. Something along those lines. That you're ever going to be able to buy it by the yard? I would be very, very surprised to see that come up on the market.

[Crimson Phoenix]

I still find it odd I could find this, I could even find 420D packcloth in the old 6-color desert chocolate chip pattern, but I can't find 50/50 NYCO ripstop in woodland or 3-color desert. Have they just stopped producing it when the government contracts dried up?

[Exploriment]

Yup. Once the military stopped ordering it there was no reason for them to keep producing it. The military drives the mills.

[offcamber]

Is this what you are looking for?

http://shop.vtarmynavy.com/woodland-digital-camo-cordura-p9685.aspx

I've purchased the older woodland and CADPAT patterns from them before, good company to deal with.

[Exploriment]

Mmmm....the "Cordura Denier material" makes me a bit wary. What Denier? 330, 500, 1000?

"Cadpat Camo Nylon Material" means what exactly? I don't doubt that they're a good company to deal with, but the vague terms they're using to describe material means that it's a bit of a grab bag. Great quality made by a mill in the US? Made in China for airsofters by a mill that could care less?

[offcamber]

Mmmm....the "Cordura Denier material" makes me a bit wary. What Denier? 330, 500, 1000?

"Cadpat Camo Nylon Material" means what exactly? I don't doubt that they're a good company to deal with, but the vague terms they're using to describe material means that it's a bit of a grab bag. Great quality made by a mill in the US? Made in China for airsofters by a mill that could care less?

Yeah, I'm not sure.. the stuff I got seemed high quality, I assumed it was mil spec but again I never asked.

I'm sure a quick call to the company from the OP would sort it out?

[Exploriment]

They’re a surplus store. They might know, they might not. I have confidence in a place like RockyWoods. They sell fabric. It’s what they specialize in. I can call them up, and be reasonably sure that I will have an intelligent conversation with a knowledgeable person. I stick to them and a few others to get fabric. I trust them. While I’m pretty sure no one at VTArmyNavy is out to rip anyone off, if it’s for more than playing dressup, I want to know that I am getting the real thing. And given that it is pretty easy to find camo patterns of known provenance (ATACS, MultiCam, PenCott, hunting patterns, several others) I don’t entirely get the need to find controlled military patterns if you aren’t in that particular military unit.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

I dunno. Unless I was a Marine or a former Marine, I wouldn't wear Marpat anything. I haven't earned it. And wearing something that they consider to be part of their service identity when I have no claim to just smacks too much of a kid playing dress-up. At least if I am wearing it in it's country of origine. There are way too many camo patterns out there for me to feel like I MUST have type x,y, or z. Here in Southern California I have found that German Tropentarn works great 9 months of the year. And there are all of the new hyperstealth patterns out of Canada that allow you to virtually match any terrain in North America by picking from their pallet of colors. Unless you are a marine, I would suggest looking at something else. There are tons of digital patterns that are reasonably close without actually being Marpat.

-Mb

[jeepinbandtrider]

I'm a Marine and could care less if you were wearing MARPAT with EGAs on them. If you can find it good on ya. Most surplus stores are going to have it on their shelves. It's not illegal to buy it, own it, or even wear it. Only issue I'd have is if you were trying to assess yourself off as a Marine.

I've been approached by folks in the Airsoft community here and asked to buy them some from the clothing store and I refuse to do it. If you can find it (easy to do) fine but I'm not gonna help you get it. It's against the rules for me anyway.


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[gun toting monkeyboy]

I'm a Marine and could care less if you were wearing MARPAT with EGAs on them. If you can find it good on ya. Most surplus stores are going to have it on their shelves. It's not illegal to buy it, own it, or even wear it. Only issue I'd have is if you were trying to assess yourself off as a Marine.

I've been approached by folks in the Airsoft community here and asked to buy them some from the clothing store and I refuse to do it. If you can find it (easy to do) fine but I'm not gonna help you get it. It's against the rules for me anyway.


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See, I have seen too many space shuttle door gunners who would try to pass off anything remotely military as their own. The company I work for does a lot of business with Marines and their families. We have a location right outside of camp Pendleton, and another that serves Miramar. I know many Marines don't really care about it. But the idea of me wearing part of their uniform without actually having some claim to do so just rubs me the wrong way. I would never, ever want any Marine thinking that I was claiming to be something I wasn't. I know that is more me than them. But I just can't do that. I don't have a problem with wearing Army gear, though their patterns have sucked for the most part, because it is generally used by countries and people all over the world. They pass it out like candy in foreign aid packages. Not so with Marine uniforms.

-Mb

[Crimson Phoenix]

I prefer to stay with the old standbys of woodland, six color, and three color desert camo and solids like OD, navy, and coyote brown. Which, after some digging, I did find Rocky Woods does still sell woodland and three-color desert in both 50/50 NYCO ripstop and poly-cotton twill, but it's $10/yard, meaning it's either limited or special order at this point. It used to be closer to $5-7/yard. That made me happy.

However, with regard to the whole don't dress in anything military thing, I've been in the habit of wearing my old issue boots (now on my third replacement pair), a replaced woodland M65 field jacket, black fleece watch cap and winter dress gloves, and solid color BDU pants and for years nobody gave two damns about it. Now, kids coming back from their tours and starting college are wanting to break my nose because I have the gall to play dress up when I haven't earned the right. I never claim to be military, I never wear complete uniforms, and I try to act humbly and appropriately. Not good enough. I pissed off one green to gold cadet enough just because I wore issue boots when I didn't "deserve them." I never tell anyone I shattered my ankle and dislocated my knee during a training accident and my medical records finally got updated so it was found out I lied about having asthma. I was kicked out of a Senior Military College so fast and forced to finish my semester out as a civilian in shame. It's easier to just pretend I don't know what I'm talking about instead of just escalating a fight over nothing. Kids these days.