City of the Dead- Buy Your Own Zombie Fortress Base

[Blacksmith]

The State of NY is selling a number of prisons it no longer needs.

If you have a lot of bread you can really get squared away:



http://properties.esd.ny.gov/oneida.html

It has everything you could possibly need.

[JFlagg]

While it would be sweet, I don't think I have enough friends to secure that size perimeter, lol. Guess I could just invite my whole company to live there... 85+ experienced shooters would be a good start

[shiddymunkie]

I am sort of put off by the prison idea nowadays. Thanks to certain books and TV shows, a large percentage of the population now thinks prisons are ideal anti-zombie compounds...which as a result, makes them far from that. Sure, you won't have to worry zombies as much -- but in exchange you'll have to worry about a much more dangerous foe, people. Can you imagine how many people will be trying to gain access to your compound if its a prison; the perceived "holy grail" of ZPAW?? If the steady stream of would-be looters and desperate maniacs don't eventually get you, those bands of well-armed militia-types probably will. Too much attention for what its worth.

[Blacksmith]

Not if you get there the firstest with the mostest.

[shiddymunkie]

You won't have the mostest for long -- not after having to defend yourself from every zombie AND person in town, anyway.

[US_Army_Z28]

And somewhere as densly populated as new york wouldnt be my first thought of a place to go lol

[badkarma144]

Now if you could get one still equipped with prisoners, then you would have a fighting force. The thieves could be used to acquire needed items for long term sustainment, some of them are already experienced killers, and most of them would have hand-to-hand experience with and without edged weapons. May as well use their powers for good-not to mention, most of them have probably gotten advanced degrees in law, which could be useful in the rebuilding process after the fall of humanity. Not to mention, they would know every inch of the place-including the weak spots, as they have undoubtedly tried them in the past. As for the less desirable elements (rapists, child molesters, anti-gun rights activists, etc), they have a use also, put them on perimeter patrol-outside the wall. As for the comment about the more dangerous foe being people...you do realize zombies are people, right? But then again so is Soylent Green. But they are people, nonetheless. People with feelings, and families, and...oh who am I kidding. The only feeling they need to have is a small, lead projectile impacting their brain-housing group at a very high velocity. They have ceased to become a contributing member of society and will only become a burdon on the rest of what is left of society and will more than likely result in an overcrowding of your immediate area...oh my, I just realized that prisoners are zombies

[ineffableone]

I guess I was the only one who noticed this?

Note: Any disposition of the described property is conditioned upon a satisfactory resolution of issues related to the development of utility systems independent of the adjacent operating correctional facility or an agreement with the state Department of Corrections and Community Supervision (DOCCS) concerning continuation of such services. Utility systems in this context shall include potable water, sanitary sewer, storm sewer, heating, electrical, communication/data services and waste disposal. Furthermore, due to the proximity of the described property to an existing correctional facility, any proposed use will be subject to the review and approval of DOCCS.

Are they saying that you have to have approval of DOCCS for what ever you plan to use the prison for? I think setting up a prepper fortress inside would not fly with them. Just don't see them going along with that having another working prison next door.

Also do you want to live next to a working prison?

[shiddymunkie]

Now if you could get one still equipped with prisoners, then you would have a fighting force. The thieves could be used to acquire needed items for long term sustainment, some of them are already experienced killers, and most of them would have hand-to-hand experience with and without edged weapons. May as well use their powers for good-not to mention, most of them have probably gotten advanced degrees in law, which could be useful in the rebuilding process after the fall of humanity. Not to mention, they would know every inch of the place-including the weak spots, as they have undoubtedly tried them in the past. As for the less desirable elements (rapists, child molesters, anti-gun rights activists, etc), they have a use also, put them on perimeter patrol-outside the wall. As for the comment about the more dangerous foe being people...you do realize zombies are people, right? But then again so is Soylent Green. But they are people, nonetheless. People with feelings, and families, and...oh who am I kidding. The only feeling they need to have is a small, lead projectile impacting their brain-housing group at a very high velocity. They have ceased to become a contributing member of society and will only become a burdon on the rest of what is left of society and will more than likely result in an overcrowding of your immediate area...oh my, I just realized that prisoners are zombies

Because prisoners are known for working well with one another, being trustworthy and responsible, and for having life-and-death loyalties to strangers. Similarly, though they may have been locked up in that facility for god knows how long, I don't see why they wouldn't choose to abandon all friends/family on the outside, and stay in the prison per the request of some dude... They'll understand, and have no doubt that they will be willing to make these sacrifices for you, as well as respect you as an authority figure.

[Flowsnake]

I live in a village of about 3000 people where the town is on one side of main street and one of the largest maximum security prisons in the state is on the other (like legit across the street from the bank and the post office and the elementary school, etc). We're on the side of a mountain at an elevation about 2000 feet and near no major cities. The prison grounds are about 500 acres and are entirely surrounded by a 60-foot-high concrete wall with enclosed watchtowers. It can comfortably hold 2500 prisoners but has a capacity of 3000, and was designed to be self-supporting: facilities include a run-of-the-river micro-hydroelectricity power plant, water tower and river access, lumber access, a dairy farm, a field-crop farm, a central warehouse, a maintenance garage, a three-story welding and mechanics factory facility, a three-story tailoring and carpentry shop facility, full hospital and dental facilities, a courtroom, two schools, a library, a mess hall, a bath house, a church, a baseball field, a gymnasium, several basketball courts, and a weight room. All of the buildings are connected by tunnel (we often hit -20 degrees Fahrenheit in the winter so...yeah. No one wants to go outside). Pretty much everyone living in the town works there.

I've always thought that it would be the perfect fortress for long-term survival, with the exception of that one problem: what do you do with the prisoners? Because seriously, the guys in there aren't crack dealers and identity thieves. They're rapists and murderers and gang leaders. How do you deal with that?

[AUA]

I live in a village of about 3000 people where the town is on one side of main street and one of the largest maximum security prisons in the state is on the other (like legit across the street from the bank and the post office and the elementary school, etc). We're on the side of a mountain at an elevation about 2000 feet and near no major cities. The prison grounds are about 500 acres and are entirely surrounded by a 60-foot-high concrete wall with enclosed watchtowers. It can comfortably hold 2500 prisoners but has a capacity of 3000, and was designed to be self-supporting: facilities include a run-of-the-river micro-hydroelectricity power plant, water tower and river access, lumber access, a dairy farm, a field-crop farm, a central warehouse, a maintenance garage, a three-story welding and mechanics factory facility, a three-story tailoring and carpentry shop facility, full hospital and dental facilities, a courtroom, two schools, a library, a mess hall, a bath house, a church, a baseball field, a gymnasium, several basketball courts, and a weight room. All of the buildings are connected by tunnel (we often hit -20 degrees Fahrenheit in the winter so...yeah. No one wants to go outside). Pretty much everyone living in the town works there.

I've always thought that it would be the perfect fortress for long-term survival, with the exception of that one problem: what do you do with the prisoners? Because seriously, the guys in there aren't crack dealers and identity thieves. They're rapists and murderers and gang leaders. How do you deal with that?

You can't exactly operate a gulag-style work camp, because it would not be possible to both give them a means of disposing of zombies and prevent them from using those same means to take over your facility. Even if you set it up Stalin-style, with some medium MGs mounted on an elevated position and only gave them basic melee weapons like bats, eventually they would get fed up with it and think up a way to get past those, somehow (human ingenuity cuts both ways, and you're basically forcing them to risk their lives so all of the 'non-prisoners' can live an easier life, even though you're both in the same situation, on top of their general instability in terms of civilian safety).

The prison was designed to house that many prisoners, but are the accommodations for the guard staff equally extensive? Because I assume that you're not going to house or feed non-prisoners in cell blocks/etc.

Really big risk IMO. I'd think that most prison systems are electronic, so then you'd also have that to deal with.

@ DOCCS post

It seems like they're keeping in mothball like the Navy used to do with Iowa-class battleships; you can use it for recreational purposes (i.e use battleships as museum ships), but you still have to maintain it so it can be operationally ready for its original purpose in case the government ever needs it again.

Meaning that it's like renting an apartment, probably. Long as you don't mess with the architecture or mess up the wiring or etc, you can do whatever in it.

The clearance thing is probably for legal reasons relating to the other facility, meaning that anything that needs to be far away from convicts (opening a PMC training ground, etc) would probably not be allowed. If you have the money and don't mind, I'm relatively sure that they would allow you to buy it.

[Blacksmith]

To the best of my knowledge the prisons are not being sold with prisoners in it. You would have to stock it with your own personal hirelings.

The is not a discussion on taking over a prison (as that would be both illegal an inadvisable) but buying one that is empty and converting it to some other use.