Doc Torr wrote:
Bearcat wrote:What weapon I carry is contigent on the SHTF scenario. I can think of two reasons why revolvers, and I mean short barreled revolvers specifically, have a place in a SHTF scenario. The first is practicality. Look at how many Ruger LCR's, S&W bodyguards and similar revolvers have been sold in recent years for CCW. Not everyone takes training courses, even though they should, or shoot on a regular basis to keep their skills up. Using a different platform that they aren't as familiar or comfortable with in a high stress crisis situation, I think, could degrade their capabilities further. Also, not everyone owns holsters for the handguns they don't carry and only shoot at the range. Hell, at the last MilCopp training course, I used an old M9 military holster for my Glock 17.
The second reason is the grey man theory that many preppers abide by. SHTF could be many situations that we all have to respond to accordingly. For those who follow the grey man theory, staying out of sight and being inconspicuous as possible is key. For instance, in a Katrina type scenario with martial law declared, open carrying full sized handguns with chest rigs and a rifle/shotgun in front of government law enforcement agents would not pan out well. At best, your weapons would be confiscated (probably never to be returned) and you could be arrested and/or detained. In that situation I would carry my CCW gun only in hopes of avoiding any confrontation with the national guard or LEO's. I know that there are many semi-autos that are practical for CCW, I carry a glock 36, but my point again goes to the fact that there are many who CCW revolvers.
So, your reasons for revolvers being superior are: people don't have train, they don't have to prep (by getting the proper equipment) and somethign about the grayman theory, which has been debated to death, is not a universal prepping law, and I would wager that most people here agree that there is a lot of bullshit attached to the "gray man" idea.
I refute this with the following points of order:
1. Your first paragraph made no sense. A lot of pocket snubbies have been sold, ergo people don't hgave to train and they don't have to get a holster? That is both unsafe and makes no sense.
2. CCW is CCW, and most semi-autos present less profile than a revolver, given the proper forethought, training, and gear.
3. If you aren't willing to get the proper training and gear, buy whatever you like. It won't make too much of a difference
I'd like to thank you for being the first not to jump straight into "the PAW" and staying within the "SHTF" scenario, however you lost me in the details.
Where did I say revolvers are superior? I did not. I even stated that I CCW a semi. I do think semi's are better the option. I'm not saying because people don't train, they should carry a revolver. Everyone should train. But if someone hardly ever trains or practices, and has chosen to CCW a revolver, why should they pick something they have even less experience with in a life or death situation?
I'm sorry I wasn't clear and concise enough with my thoughts. My thoughts are geared at the general gun owning, CCW carrying, gun collector population at large. Not everyone has the prepper mentality that we do here. Being a firearms enthusiasts does not make you a survivalist. I'm talking about the people at gun shows buying crap to tacticool their SKS's and will probably fire it no more than 500 rounds per year. I'm talking about the dentist, his wife and daughter who took the CCW course with me and had never fired a gun in their lives. I'm talking about the elderly couple who took the course with no firearms experience and asked what type of gun to buy to keep by their nightstand. They were not gun people, but thought that guns were a necessary precaution and I guarantee you they will probably go to the range a handful of times at the most in the future. Maybe that description will help you to see better where my mindset is.
Now with that in mind, for someone in their shoes faced with a SHTF scenario, wouldn't it make sense to use what they have the most experience with? Which are revolvers in a lot of cases.
To address your first two points,
1. I'm saying a lot of revolvers are used for CCW and people don't take proper training courses with ANY type of gun. I'm not saying don't get a proper holster. Everyone should, but not everyone has proper holsters for all of their "extra" handguns. So if they don't have a holster other than the one for their CCW guns, how are they gonna carry another gun effectively? For example, I was a gun collector first before I found Zombie Squad and had no gear, no holsters and hardly any spare mags or ammo stock piled. That is one type of person I'm referring to.
2. I agree with that point, but the fact is many people do CCW a revolver.
The grey man debate is entering a separate discussion so I will just say this. I know not everyone follows the grey man theory, but if you feel you aren't gonna get unwanted attention from the cops in a katrina like situation, then go ahead, slap on the open carry pistol, chest rig, AK and good luck.
Again, I think semi-autos are the better choice. But I think revolvers have a role for SHTF with the "novices" or whatever you want to call them who have already chosen a revolver. Is it ideal? Not in my opinion, but it is what is. Not everyone prepares for the same things or to the same levels. I hope this has clarified some confusion.