The All Purpose AK Thread

[RickOShea]

And besides, it's just a reversal of the modern irons on the AR platform: One end you adjust for elevation, the other end you adjust for windage.

Reversal?

Ummm, you don't have to file shit on an AR.

Also, elevation can be adjusted on both the front sight and the rear sight on an AR--without the use of a file.

Regardless, the FSB would be out for me anyhow.

Interesting.

I believe I may have screwed-up and got the wrong rear sights for my ARs. I can't find an elevation adjustment on them, and they appear to have "same plane" apertures (I even screwed-up a 2nd time and put a "same plane" on my DD 1.5)......Guess I better remember those hold-overs.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Interesting.

I believe I may have screwed-up and got the wrong rear sights for my ARs. I can't find an elevation adjustment on them, and they appear to have "same plane" apertures (I even screwed-up a 2nd time and put a "same plane" on my DD 1.5)......Guess I better remember those hold-overs.

A2 rear irons have markings for different yard lines. Adjust the front to zero for 200m, and then check that zero at 200, 300, 400, and 500. Adjustments to the zero at anythign other than 200m are done on the rear sight.



If you got the L/R adjustable BUIS or non-adjustable BUIS, the you won't have an elevation adjustment. DD, LMT, cut-down A2, and Troy adjustable rear sights all have both drums. The bottom drum adjusts elevation, the right-side drum adjusts windage.

[RickOShea]

Uh, yeah....I believe I have an old A2 style detach carry handle and LMT rear sight around here somewhere. But I like my Troys and DD more gooder.

[Kutter_0311]

I didnt realize texas-zen now has his own website but aparently he does Doc this one is for you!

1P63OBZUR
http://russianoptics.net/Obzor.html
1P76 Rakurs http://russianoptics.net/Rakurs.html
what you might like is the Kashtan
http://russianoptics.net/1P78Kashtan.html

I suggest you read the whole site it apears to be a collection of all of tex-zen writing and knowledge

That dude knows some shit! Very friendly, too!

[shoggoth80]

AH... Ultimak ordered. Style 1, without the gas ports down the side (same like my Rommy), and Vltor scout mount ordered.
Gotta get something other than the standard sling. I am thinking the VTAC, with a MASH hook (which is waiting in my leasing office), but there may be other sling options that would work well, and that MASH hook up front seems the way to go. Any reason why I should NOT go with a VTAC next payday?

So, I am pretty much down to getting the Ironwood buttstock (which I know I want, but not sure which ones fit... almost thinking the Tabuk style stock would look sick), deciding on sling (likely VTAC), and then ordering a starter red dot to get used to/test.

It'll be MONTHS before I could even think of buying an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro. I figure sub $100 is a good place to start for a learning optic... unless the Strikfire Sparc can co-witness with the irons? Anyone have input on that? From all I have read, it's probably one of the better $200 range optics. Got a 4x PSOP that I might sell to help take the sting out of it. I've seen the Sparc on ARs, and it is a nice little optic. Sling and stock I can get next payday for sure. Unless something really strikes me as the way to go for optic anyway.

At the end of the day, good sling, irons, light, and ergos are more important than optic... but since I went Ultimak, and want to learn using one... It makes sense to do so.

[AKFTW]

Try out the Primary Arms micro when they are back in stock, great reviews, co-witnesses, probably the best budget optic out there. What kind of AK do you have again?

[Dave_M]

And besides, it's just a reversal of the modern irons on the AR platform: One end you adjust for elevation, the other end you adjust for windage.

Reversal?

Ummm, you don't have to file shit on an AR.

Also, elevation can be adjusted on both the front sight and the rear sight on an AR--without the use of a file.

Regardless, the FSB would be out for me anyhow.

Interesting.

I believe I may have screwed-up and got the wrong rear sights for my ARs. I can't find an elevation adjustment on them, and they appear to have "same plane" apertures (I even screwed-up a 2nd time and put a "same plane" on my DD 1.5)......Guess I better remember those hold-overs.

Wait, I forget--where on an AR front sight do I have to pull out a file to adjust?

The DD rear is the only one I own that doesn't have a rear elevation adjustment (Yes, I do like them for fixed BUIS). My LMT, MI ERS, KAC, nor my FN rear sights lack an elevation adjustment (and I say that everything I listed above would also be a great primary iron sight and just not a backup sight (like the DD)).

I mean shit, I understand you're defending your pet purchase but don't try to make it seem equal; it's not. It's a pretty product held in place by screws. That's it.

[shoggoth80]

I'm building up this one off my WASR 10/63. It's a mostly matching (minus a couple small parts) gun, so it's 100% utilitarian. Thinking I may keep my Norinco as it came, just because. The Rommy is far easier to do anything to. All I had to do was grind the weld on the muzzle nut and tah-dah! Instant proper threads for muzzle device. 922r overkilled already, so I don't need that talk. US FCG, stock set, piston, and muzzle device on the Rommy. It's also a gun snob kill move for me. Lol. Call it proving a point, while I benefit in the process. Lol.

The different buttstock that I want to add, is simply vanity... I can admit that. Something about a dark green stock, that has been oiled to a nice shine, with some custom engraving, with the rest of the rifle being dark grey/black parker just seems cool to me.

I really DO want the PA micro... having a hard time with patience though. From all accounts, it is surprisingly good for the money (probably said that before), and I have lurked through many different fora to get this info, solicited feedback from my favorite places that had a lack of snobbery etc.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Optics are buy once, cry once purchases. Why not get really frakking good with the irons whilst saving up for the one you really want? Curiosity is the only thing driving my toward the Rusky optics, I already have an R1, or I'd be looking toward a T-1 (that's the non-NVD capable one, right?) or one of the other rugged Aimpoints.

Plus those Rusky optics are just so damn ugly, I can't help myself.

[shoggoth80]

I'm pretty good with the irons Doc. Been shooting off and on since I was 5. I'm not a crack shot, but I am also not a bad shot. Need some better paint for the front post but that isn't much of anytging. If I could find a place that still sold model paint, they'd be pretty well set. Using hastilt applied green, and it helps... but orange or white would be better.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I'm pretty good with the irons Doc. Been shooting off and on since I was 5. I'm not a crack shot, but I am also not a bad shot. Need some better paint for the front post but that isn't much of anytging. If I could find a place that still sold model paint, they'd be pretty well set. Using hastilt applied green, and it helps... but orange or white would be better.

Yeah, I'd jsut save for the optic you want in the end and skip the cheap stuff. Hell, maybe even check gunbroker and others for cheap R1s.

[shoggoth80]

I can't remember which model Aimpoint it was, but Midway had them on closeout, in silver for a very modest price...totally missed out on that deal a while ago... had no money for it.
This was also before I jumped to the x39 platform too, so even if I had, it probably would have been sold by now. So, no net loss?

Seriously though for a moment... SPARC? Especially with the lower base on it? I could stand the pain point on that much better than $650+. Vortex I believe also has a lifetime warranty on it, like their Strikefire et al.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... groupid=84

[Dave_M]

Optics are buy once, cry once purchases. Why not get really frakking good with the irons whilst saving up for the one you really want? Curiosity is the only thing driving my toward the Rusky optics, I already have an R1, or I'd be looking toward a T-1 (that's the non-NVD capable one, right?) or one of the other rugged Aimpoints.

Plus those Rusky optics are just so damn ugly, I can't help myself.

H-1's are the non-NV models. Otherwise, practical specs are about the same.

Dude, the Rusky optics are so ugly you can't resist? Are you into fatty fifty year-old bears too? This is what you're looking at if I'm going to make a comparison between men and optics...

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Optics are buy once, cry once purchases. Why not get really frakking good with the irons whilst saving up for the one you really want? Curiosity is the only thing driving my toward the Rusky optics, I already have an R1, or I'd be looking toward a T-1 (that's the non-NVD capable one, right?) or one of the other rugged Aimpoints.

Plus those Rusky optics are just so damn ugly, I can't help myself.

H-1's are the non-NV models. Otherwise, practical specs are about the same.

Dude, the Rusky optics are so ugly you can't resist? Are you into fatty fifty year-old bears too? This is what you're looking at if I'm going to make a comparison between men and optics...

I just saw a torture test of the Vortex SPARC riding a BCM AR, a .50, and doing some thigns that I would describe as Daveriffic.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/187104_Vortex_SPARC_Review.html
Hell, I could sell one of my R-1s and get a SPARC or Strikefire with a magnifier for that price. If the Magnifier would work with my R-1, I'd sell oen, throw a magnifier and killflash on the R-1, and spend the extra $100 on mags.

[Kommander]

I like the look of the Russian optics, and other military equipment, as well, just so long as I don't have to actually use any of it.

[TDW586]

Doc, remember, a sample size of one does not prove anything about that optic.

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[TDW586]

Doc, remember, a sample size of one does not prove anything about that optic.

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[JTNieman]

I just saw a torture test of the Vortex SPARC riding a BCM AR, a .50, and doing some thigns that I would describe as Daveriffic.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_277/187104_Vortex_SPARC_Review.html
Hell, I could sell one of my R-1s and get a SPARC or Strikefire with a magnifier for that price. If the Magnifier would work with my R-1, I'd sell oen, throw a magnifier and killflash on the R-1, and spend the extra $100 on mags.

Dude, caution on the Sparc.

I couldn't make it through a Chris Costa class without the optic losing it's zero by 6-8 inches (in the 8'oclock direction) at 50m. It also has the NV button in the worst location, such that every time you rest the rifle against your chest, you likely just hit the NV button any number of times. This makes it a fucking 50/50 crap shoot on whether or not your red dot will be visible when you pull it back up.

The fact that even the usage it went under at a Costa class... being what it is... without it losing zero is all I need to know. I pulled that Sparc out of the box and put it on the Vortex mount. A coworker did the same. He had similarly poor results, though his zero went a different direction and not as far. The fact that we had 2 for 2 failures that day kind of cemented my opinion.

Vortex has some awesome shit, but red dots is not amongst their good accomplishments yet. We just got a handful of their RMR type "Razor" red dots in that I want to go and run on a 12ga and my AR and see how it goes.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Welp, so far my research via intarwebs puts the SPARC and others at a 50/50 crapshoot. Two optics here (thanks James) were shitty, two on ARFcom were Daveworthy, and the rest on other sites haven't seen hard use yet.

50/50 is not odds I want to take. I'll keep up the research, as a sample size of four is shit, doubly so when self-reported.

[Polley]

Optics are buy once, cry once purchases. Why not get really frakking good with the irons whilst saving up for the one you really want? Curiosity is the only thing driving my toward the Rusky optics, I already have an R1, or I'd be looking toward a T-1 (that's the non-NVD capable one, right?) or one of the other rugged Aimpoints.

Plus those Rusky optics are just so damn ugly, I can't help myself.

H-1's are the non-NV models. Otherwise, practical specs are about the same.

Dude, the Rusky optics are so ugly you can't resist? Are you into fatty fifty year-old bears too? This is what you're looking at if I'm going to make a comparison between men and optics...

I think he means they're the Betty White of optics.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Cruise. His features, apart, shoudl make him a 5, but together somehow they become a solid eight.

Also: Got an email from Rifle Dynamics today. No Bolton gas blocks for VEPR barrels, which isn't a big deal for e, but I thought I'd share.

[Dave_M]

I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Cruise. His features, apart, shoudl make him a 5, but together somehow they become a solid eight.

Also: Got an email from Rifle Dynamics today. No Bolton gas blocks for VEPR barrels, which isn't a big deal for e, but I thought I'd share.

When was the last time you looked through one? Seriously, ACOGs absolutely ruin you towards cheap glass and optics. Sure, even some cheap glass looks great on the showroom floor (under optimum lighting conditions) but the light-gathering properties of quality glass like ACOG's are very easy to get used to, especially when used in less-than-ideal conditions. However, there's a kicker to this: You won't know that you're used to awesome glass until you go to something else. The difference is like night and day in cloudy/drizzle weather between the two.

Make the comparison yourself.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

When was the last time you looked through one? Seriously, ACOGs absolutely ruin you towards cheap glass and optics. Sure, even some cheap glass looks great on the showroom floor (under optimum lighting conditions) but the light-gathering properties of quality glass like ACOG's are very easy to get used to, especially when used in less-than-ideal conditions. However, there's a kicker to this: You won't know that you're used to awesome glass until you go to something else. The difference is like night and day in cloudy/drizzle weather between the two.

Make the comparison yourself.

I need to get out of this sandbox and get hands on with something other than an ACOG. I got some time on an Aimpoint (I was not aware that the Army gets those now...) and I was kind of underwhelmed. It reminded me of an Airsoft optic, only with a killflash and some ruggedizing. I didn't get trigger time, just "look and touch" but overall it felt less than stellar.

Dave, stop pointing me towards the ACOG. I know I love it, but if my parole officer catches me in the redlight district again trying to pay for it, I'll never get to shoot it.

[Kutter_0311]

Dave, stop pointing me towards the ACOG. I know I love it, but if my parole officer catches me in the redlight district again trying to pay for it, I'll never get to shoot it.

LOL My wife bought me the only ACOG I'm ever likely to have, and now I'm having trouble finding a rifle I think is suitable for it!

Does Saiga make a 20" .223 rifle? Are they actually .223, or did they take the logical step of chambering it for 5.56?