Is 1200$ a good price for a H&K mark 23

[Jeriah]

One thing to be aware of is what HK did (and pissed me off) is that the Mark23 has a different thread than their other pistols so cans will not interchange to say the USP Tactical. Mark23 has a 16 x 1mm right handed thread while everything else HK has a 16 x 1mm left handed thread.

Seems like someone should make an adapter, with 16x1mm right hand female threads (to go onto the Mark23 barrel) with 16x1mm left hand male threads on the front (to accept other suppressors). And also the opposite, so you could use the Mark23 suppressor on other pistols. Just use good steel, knurl the exposed surface, and it should be pretty simple engineering...or am I being incredible naive?

[thechin]

One thing to be aware of is what HK did (and pissed me off) is that the Mark23 has a different thread than their other pistols so cans will not interchange to say the USP Tactical. Mark23 has a 16 x 1mm right handed thread while everything else HK has a 16 x 1mm left handed thread.

Seems like someone should make an adapter, with 16x1mm right hand female threads (to go onto the Mark23 barrel) with 16x1mm left hand male threads on the front (to accept other suppressors). And also the opposite, so you could use the Mark23 suppressor on other pistols. Just use good steel, knurl the exposed surface, and it should be pretty simple engineering...or am I being incredible naive?

EFK fire dragon makes threaded barrels for a variety of firearms. Give you the option to choose which thread you want and even barrel length. Barrels are all stainless steel and threaded after the order has been placed.

http://www.efkfiredragon.com/heckler-and-koch-threaded.html

[400 Grains]

It would be great if the government started selling surplus guns again. That way, there would be a ton of unused MK23's on the market......

[Dabster]

Ignore the Glock comments......HK all the way!

It was mentioned before about the +p ratings, I contacted HK about shooting .45 super in my USP tactical and they told me that ALL HK pistols are rated to shoot super ammo. Drop some .45 super in that thing and never look back! (expensive to shoot all the time, but pretty fun nonetheless, and you can sneer at the Glock guys at the range and say......."sorry, your gun isn't built well enough to withstand this ammo" )

I've seen plenty of torture tests on youtube with HK's buried in the sand and mud that function just fine afterwards. It's all in who is doing the reviews and whether or not they are biased to making whatever gun they are reviewing look good or bad.

One thing to be aware of is what HK did (and pissed me off) is that the Mark23 has a different thread than their other pistols so cans will not interchange to say the USP Tactical. Mark23 has a 16 x 1mm right handed thread while everything else HK has a 16 x 1mm left handed thread.

What this guy said!!

If I hadn't just spent this year's fun fund on an AR, I'd be lining up to buy that pistol.

ETA: I don't like Glocks but I'm glad that some people find them satisfactory.

Once I traded up to a USB, I haven't had a single FTE and I can shoot a pistol accurately.

/Nomex: On

Dab

[Maverick299]

Ignore the Glock comments......HK all the way!

It was mentioned before about the +p ratings, I contacted HK about shooting .45 super in my USP tactical and they told me that ALL HK pistols are rated to shoot super ammo. Drop some .45 super in that thing and never look back! (expensive to shoot all the time, but pretty fun nonetheless, and you can sneer at the Glock guys at the range and say......."sorry, your gun isn't built well enough to withstand this ammo" )

I've seen plenty of torture tests on youtube with HK's buried in the sand and mud that function just fine afterwards. It's all in who is doing the reviews and whether or not they are biased to making whatever gun they are reviewing look good or bad.

One thing to be aware of is what HK did (and pissed me off) is that the Mark23 has a different thread than their other pistols so cans will not interchange to say the USP Tactical. Mark23 has a 16 x 1mm right handed thread while everything else HK has a 16 x 1mm left handed thread.

What this guy said!!

If I hadn't just spent this year's fun fund on an AR, I'd be lining up to buy that pistol.

After ten years and three Glocks, I have earned the right to say -at least in my humble opinion- they're ugly and they suck (Ugly, unreliable, terrible triggers and frequently incapable of hitting a barn)!

Once I traded up to a USB, I haven't had a single FTE and I can shoot a pistol accurately.

/Nomex: On

Dab

Be prepared, we are in a hotbed of Glock fan boys. Glad to see someone around here that feels the same way I do!

[Haji]

You've already decided to buy it, so go buy it and quit trying to convince everyone else that it's not clown shoes. Your money, do what you want with it.

[Regular Guy]

Be prepared, we are in a hotbed of Glock fan boys.

Yeah, what were we thinking liking Glocks. An affordable gun that runs as good as or better than the vast majority, is just as accurate and very light weight. Fuck, I should spend hundreds more for guns that do nothing better just so I can have two coveted letters on the side; H and K. But we're the fanboys.

[UndeadInfidel]

Be prepared, we are in a hotbed of Glock fan boys.

Yeah, what were we thinking liking Glocks. An affordable gun that runs as good as or better than the vast majority, is just as accurate and very light weight. Fuck, I should spend hundreds more for guns that do nothing better just so I can have two coveted letters on the side; H and K. But we're the fanboys.

Now you sound like a hater. There's a difference between simply preferring something and being a fanboy of it. You're a fanboy when you start bashing anything else while touting your own favorite product.

Personally, if someone handed me both a USP and a Glock and told me to pick one, I'd pick the USP. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I prefer the open hammer design and have experience with them. I don't hate on Glocks in any way. I do tend to dislike the Glock fanboys as they actually seem to be the ones trash talking other products on a more consistent basis.

[Regular Guy]

Be prepared, we are in a hotbed of Glock fan boys.

Yeah, what were we thinking liking Glocks. An affordable gun that runs as good as or better than the vast majority, is just as accurate and very light weight. Fuck, I should spend hundreds more for guns that do nothing better just so I can have two coveted letters on the side; H and K. But we're the fanboys.

Now you sound like a hater. There's a difference between simply preferring something and being a fanboy of it. You're a fanboy when you start bashing anything else while touting your own favorite product.
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Full disclosure. I love HK rifles. I think their pistols are over priced and I think some people buy HK for the two letters on the side. If you like HK, cool. I do too but I don't think any HK is worth the premium they are asking for them. Between a $1200 HK and a Glock 21, I'm going to suggest the Glock because with the extra money you can ammo up, get training and a good holster. For me, it's just basic economics and needs.

[UndeadInfidel]

Full disclosure. I love HK rifles. I think their pistols are over priced and I think some people buy HK for the two letters on the side. If you like HK, cool. I do too but I don't think any HK is worth the premium they are asking for them. Between a $1200 HK and a Glock 21, I'm going to suggest the Glock because with the extra money you can ammo up, get training and a good holster. For me, it's just basic economics and needs.

Same here. I was able to partake in weapons testing for a squad automatic weapon replacement in 2001, and we fired and tested fully automatic G36's. I fell in love with the platform and so did the entire group of Marines that were involved. Too bad the Corps is so cheap, because it's an amazing weapon. I'd also love to get ahold of a USC/UMP SBR conversion as I think it's far and away the nicest 45acp subgun/carbine you can get now. As you state, the issue is $$$.

Like I said - I have a USP45 tactical and it was well worth the $$$ in my mind. I'm not sure if I'd pick a basic USP over a Glock if money were a concern, but if someone wants to spend the extra cash I won't fault them for it (as long as they don't get all uppity about their purchase).

[Maverick299]

Glock makes a fine weapon, but they seem to have 2 kinds of followers. Those that know how to shoot and those that think they know how to shoot. I've met many fine Glock shooters that know their shit and I respect their knowledge and skills and then there are the D-bags that probably only own one pistol, never shoot it, but think they are John Rambo because they saw a youtube video that shows a Glock firing underwater. I don't own a Glock because they don't fit my hand, the grip angle doesn't feel natural for me, and I don't care for the trigger. There are in fact lots of weapons that don't fit me very well and I don't own any of those either. It's the D-bag Glock owners that make me not like Glock. Every company has fanboys, but for me it seems Glock has an overwelming number of them.

My preference to HK has nothing to do with the name and everything to do with ergonomics. I was shorted in life by being cursed with short fingers and stubby thumbs, I cannot reach a mag release with my thumb without having to rotate the gun sideways in my hand. I've taught myself to drop the mag with my trigger finger. Not a big deal at the range but I shoot USPSA matches and time counts so being able to dump the mag without re-positioning the gun is a huge plus for me. HK's have ambi-releases that allow me to do this. I also prefer the exposed hammer and de-cocker.

For the record, I have considered adding a re-angled Glock to my collection, and if Glock had a ambi-release I would be all over them because HK's get expensive.

[TDW586]

Gen 4 Glocks do have an ambi magazine release, but wait a few years until they get the kinks fully worked out.

[URBAN ASSAULT]

It's not a great pistol (it's HUGE and heavy).

Not so much. The Mk23 is 2.43 pounds, this 1911 is 2.375 pounds. And look again at the specs, the Mk23 is loaded with 12 rounds, the 1911 is empty. So the Mk23 weighs less than that 1911.
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products ... _specs.asp
http://www.kimberamerica.com/uploads/pr ... stomii.pdf
And the GP-100 weighs more also. Meh on the weight issue.

As for the size thing, you are right. However when the KAC can is attached, it is 'right size'. Kinda like saying that GAU-8 is bad or ineffective because it is HUGE.

I will say that if you are not buying the can, go for the USP. But $1200 is a good price.

2.375 pounds for the 1911, 2.43 pounds for the Mk23... I got that beat with 2.511 pounds for my stainless Para Ordnance P14-45 Limited.

Here's the heavy bitch, she does right by me...



-edited this because dolt that I am, I weighed the pistol loaded(slaps forehead) when I snapped the pic. Re-weighed sans ammo and the number was now 2.511 pounds which is STILL heavier than the Mk23, but not by much.

(and yeah, I regularly CCW this, AND two spare 14-round mags... sometimes by just stuffing the pistol in the front pocket of my jeans if I'm in a hurry)

-urban

[mr.trooper]

A Gun drops in value like a car; as soon as you buy it's automatically "used" and hence subject to suspicion... and if you adjust for gains over time, even most collectable arms barely keep up with inflation, with rates of return that mirror savings accounts. Many firearms are not so lucky, and do indeed loose value over time.

Even the common class III machine guns like MAC10 and TEC9 have only tripled in value over nearly 30 years when you adjust for the value of the dollar then and now - and that is WITH the aid of artificial scarcity. A pistol probably wont enjoy that luxury anytime soon.

If you want a MK23, then go for it... but it's no substitute for a bank account or a small stack of bonds. Though the MK23s are rare enough though that you may get your money back someday, that isn't something you can generally count on.

[Projo]

I was watching season 3 of Breaking Bad last night and noticed the PI guy was using a suppressed Mk23 in one scene. Thing was huge but looked good with the can on it.

Field expedient golf putter.

[vegasguy]

It would be great if the government started selling surplus guns again. That way, there would be a ton of unused MK23's on the market......

why dont/cant they?

[AKFTW]

It would be great if the government started selling surplus guns again. That way, there would be a ton of unused MK23's on the market......

[TDW586]

He's serious. The Mk23 was and is horribly unpopular among SF members by all accounts.

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