Protect your sidearm

[Fosgate]

Why you never stick your gun out at someone at close range. 1:57min into the video.

http://www.civilianarmstraining.com/

[Anianna]

Why you never stick your gun out at someone at close range. 1:57min into the video.

http://www.civilianarmstraining.com/

I take it you mean the video about halfway down the page?



Some good stuff in there.

[UndeadInfidel]

Yeah. Most people don't understand how dangerous it is to get a weapon within arms reach of an unarmed, but trained, individual.

I believe this comes from movies, where you can put your gun about anywhere around someone and they simply turn into a sniveling wreck that complies with every order.

[Liff]

http://www.policeone.com/close-quarters ... -Policies/

There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.

In that ten year period, 8 percent of police officers died from bullets fired from their own guns. Very sad. But it does prove the adage, Don't bring a gun to a fistfight.

[HKTackDriver]

I prefer a different method up close, but that will work if you practice with it too. I prefer the weak arm straight out, gun at the hip technique. To get to the gun, the BG effectively puts his body in front of the muzzle. His technique leaves the opportunity to shoot yourself in the elbow.

[Anianna]

I prefer a different method up close, but that will work if you practice with it too. I prefer the weak arm straight out, gun at the hip technique. To get to the gun, the BG effectively puts his body in front of the muzzle. His technique leaves the opportunity to shoot yourself in the elbow.

I'm just clumsy enough to do that (shoot myself in the elbow, that is). Do you know of any video demonstrations of the method you prefer?

[TDW586]

I prefer a different method up close, but that will work if you practice with it too. I prefer the weak arm straight out, gun at the hip technique. To get to the gun, the BG effectively puts his body in front of the muzzle. His technique leaves the opportunity to shoot yourself in the elbow.

I'm just clumsy enough to do that (shoot myself in the elbow, that is). Do you know of any video demonstrations of the method you prefer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlq1nW4N9I

Unless HK is talking about something different, this is a good overview of shooting from the #2 or retention position.

Note that the muzzle is directed slightly downward, as Gomez notes. This is part of the technique that helps prevent you from shooting yourself in the support side arm.

[Fosgate]

Most people don't even realize how fast an assailant can close distance with a knife and stick you before you have a chance to pull, level and fire. I think most cops can't pull level and fire on an assailant 20ft away even with an open holster.

Unless your maybe this guy.

[AKFTW]

Most people don't even realize how fast an assailant can close distance with a knife and stick you before you have a chance to pull, level and fire. I think most cops can't pull level and fire on an assailant 20ft away even with an open holster.

Unless your maybe this guy. [youtube]snip[/youtube]

That guy has a pretty good setup there! Pretty quick for carrying condition 3 also. Lets NOT turn this into another Tueller Drill thread though, we've had enough of that for a while.

[Bender711]

I prefer a different method up close, but that will work if you practice with it too. I prefer the weak arm straight out, gun at the hip technique. To get to the gun, the BG effectively puts his body in front of the muzzle. His technique leaves the opportunity to shoot yourself in the elbow.

This is the one I prefer as well. Hardest to shoot your self with. Rule 1 of every gun fight should be, don't get shot. It also keeps the weapon aimed at hip level which is a good place to be shooting at contact distances when the fight has almost assuredly already gone mobile. It is much easier to side step someone who's legs don't work.

[Kutter_0311]

It is much easier to side step someone who's legs don't work.

Yes. It also leaves them open to the boot-to-the-head technique

With practice, I think a rifle is a better weapon for fistfighting. Great melee weapon, harder to take away!

[JesterODX]

Most people don't even realize how fast an assailant can close distance with a knife and stick you before you have a chance to pull, level and fire. I think most cops can't pull level and fire on an assailant 20ft away even with an open holster.

We were testing this theory one night at the PD. One of the LT's I dispatched for was teaching it that night in rookie school. It was something that had never really occured to me. I probably would barely have gotten my hand on the weapon. And then the locking holsters take a fraction of a second longer to draw from anyway...

As far as pointing, If they are close I am all about keeping my gun in close. Last thing I want to is to get killed with my own gun. You know, you just hope you never get into a mess like that in the first place. But with people now days.

[400 Grains]

http://www.policeone.com/close-quarters-combat/articles/100228-Cases-of-Officers-Killed-by-Their-Own-Guns-Likely-Will-Not-Change-R-I-Policies/

There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.

In that ten year period, 8 percent of police officers died from bullets fired from their own guns. Very sad. But it does prove the adage, Don't bring a gun to a fistfight.

That is a major problem with being a cop. You have to put hands on people all the time who may wish to kill you, and you bring a gun every time.

[HKTackDriver]

I prefer a different method up close, but that will work if you practice with it too. I prefer the weak arm straight out, gun at the hip technique. To get to the gun, the BG effectively puts his body in front of the muzzle. His technique leaves the opportunity to shoot yourself in the elbow.

I'm just clumsy enough to do that (shoot myself in the elbow, that is). Do you know of any video demonstrations of the method you prefer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlq1nW4N9I

Unless HK is talking about something different, this is a good overview of shooting from the #2 or retention position.

Note that the muzzle is directed slightly downward, as Gomez notes. This is part of the technique that helps prevent you from shooting yourself in the support side arm.

Yes, but modified. I prefer keeping it at hip level, with the top of the slide canted away from my body. It is canted to avoid clothing on the slide. The armpit technique works, but you're limiting your range of movement with the gun and are also potentially giving yourself a failure if you do this with heavy clothing or coats. From the hip always works and as long as your hips (attached to your legs - strongest muscles in body) are facing the BG, you are able to swivel/pivot/turn to aim, while your weak hand manipulates.

I don't dislike the technique in the video, I just trained with and trust what I've been taught more. So long as you're comfortable with it. Oh, it also gives you a good shot at a pelvis hit, which will take a man off his feet faster than a body shot.