Shotgun???

[shiddymunkie]

Just get a Keltec KSG, so I can live vicariously through you.

Not to mention, let someone else be the guinea pig.....

I'd gladly be a guinea pig if I could find one of these at a reasonable price. Right now, the only ones I know of are one GunBroker.com, and are selling for crazy high prices due to their limited numbers.

[The Commander]

I prefer the ergonomics of the 500 series. The 870 is more modable with shell tube extensions and what not. Remingtons seem to have a better build quality to me. Mossberg is coming out with some kind of stock swap kits that should have come out a long time ago...

http://www.flexyourmossberg.com/

[ITZombie]

Not sure if it's worth anything to you but I've flip flopping between an 870 and a 500, back and forth, forth and back. After watching a pretty thorough review of both on youtube by someone who actually takes the guns out and uses them I ended up leaning a bit more toward a 590a1. the reviewer was very pro 870, actually 1300 but that's another story but his bullet points, to make a pun, on the two inched me toward the mossberg. I simply liked the ergonomics of the controls better, the thumb safety, the pump release and the raised carrier when the gun is bolt forward meaning you don't have to fight against the carrier to reload.

it was finally settled yesterday when I stopped at a gun store for something else entirely and to see if they had any 870 tacticals in stock, no one ever does, but lo and behold they had the 590a1 and in my desired configuration (8+1, ghost rings, standard stock and corn cob pump). After shouldering it and some sight drills, it left with me.

I'll be at the range tomorrow but today cycling dummys through it and feeding them into it from speed clips, I have to say I'm happy at the moment with my choice.

The 870 is a very very solid choice and all I can really say is shoulder them both in the configurations you like, if you can find an 870 that is, literally there's nothing around herein an 870 but turkey guns but you can fondle a metric asston of 500's (not 590s).

[DaleGribble]

Not sure if it's worth anything to you but I've flip flopping between an 870 and a 500, back and forth, forth and back. After watching a pretty thorough review of both on youtube by someone who actually takes the guns out and uses them I ended up leaning a bit more toward a 590a1. the reviewer was very pro 870, actually 1300 but that's another story but his bullet points, to make a pun, on the two inched me toward the mossberg. I simply liked the ergonomics of the controls better, the thumb safety, the pump release and the raised carrier when the gun is bolt forward meaning you don't have to fight against the carrier to reload.

it was finally settled yesterday when I stopped at a gun store for something else entirely and to see if they had any 870 tacticals in stock, no one ever does, but lo and behold they had the 590a1 and in my desired configuration (8+1, ghost rings, standard stock and corn cob pump). After shouldering it and some sight drills, it left with me.

I'll be at the range tomorrow but today cycling dummys through it and feeding them into it from speed clips, I have to say I'm happy at the moment with my choice.

The 870 is a very very solid choice and all I can really say is shoulder them both in the configurations you like, if you can find an 870 that is, literally there's nothing around herein an 870 but turkey guns but you can fondle a metric asston of 500's (not 590s).

Good choice! The 590A1 is a great shotgun. Its not hard to believe that handling it was what sold you on it. It just feels.... tight... The tactical HD 870s also feel very nice in form but in a working situation I too prefer the feel of the 590A1. Better stock sights go to the 590 as well (and the extra shell capacity doesnt hurt).

[Redbad]

I suppose that no discussion of tactical shotguns is complete without a discussion of chokes and trigger disconnects.

The Winchester Model 1897 (and its modern day imported clone) and the Winchester Model 12 were designed prior to 1937 and lack a trigger disconnect. Both shotguns will fire as long as the trigger is pulled and the action is operated (and there are shells in the magazine) [you do not need to release the trigger between shots as you need to do with modern shotguns]. This feature was important to the US military in WW1 and WW2 in CQB. This may be a feature that is worthy of consideration (be very careful if you do get a Model 97 or a Model 12 because it is possible to have an unintended shot go off. The Model 97 also uses a half cock safety which takes some getting used to).

Modern shotguns usually also have multiple choke options. You should pattern your shotgun using different chokes even with buckshot as you will find that performance may improve with a choke other than Improved Cylinder (which is the default with "riot" style shotguns.

2.75 inch loads may also have less recoil than 3 inch loads (even reduced recoil loads). They also make shotguns with smaller dimensions which are marked at women and children.

Do NOT get a 3.5 inch 12 gauge if recoil is an issue. A 3.5 inch 12 gauge has something like 70 pounds or more of recoil which will leave marks on your shoulder and will beat you up (I have scars from turkey hunting this spring).

Be VERY careful about mixing 12 and 20 gauge shells....

[DaleGribble]

For most instances a short barrel for home defense (or the undead) wont be threaded for chokes right?

[Doctorr Fabulous]

For most instances a short barrel for home defense (or the undead) wont be threaded for chokes right?

Usually, no. Guns designed for HD normally have either a built-in choke, or have a muzzle device instead of a choke.

[Chirpy]

What about a tactical side by side?



Edit
Okay, I meant over/under. Because a tactical side by side would be perfectly understandable.

Although I'll admit to wanting one 'cause you could probably build a weapon worthy of Serenity starting from that platform.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

What about a tactical side by side?



Edit
Okay, I meant over/under. Because a tactical side by side would be perfectly understandable.

Although I'll admit to wanting one 'cause you could probably build a weapon worthy of Serenity starting from that platform.

I want it. Who makes that, and how much?

[Chirpy]

Mossberg/Maverick. About $400 from Buds.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/inde ... s/Maverick

And yes, there is a Stoeger tacticool side by side



As well as a "more rails" over/under

[mexicutioner]

Mossberg 20g. little bantam shotty. then tac. it out.

[Zombie309]

Can never go wrong with a Remington 870. Only thing I've done is add a side saddle for a few more shells and an extendable stock. Keep that bad boy loaded with 00 Buck and you are in business.

[Polley]

I changed my hold on my Mossberg 500A in 12 Gauge and now I have no problems with recoil. Just took some experimenting. I love my shotgun now.

[Tperkins]

For most instances a short barrel for home defense (or the undead) wont be threaded for chokes right?

Usually, no. Guns designed for HD normally have either a built-in choke, or have a muzzle device instead of a choke.

FYI, most Remington 870's, even with the HD short barrels, are threaded for chokes. My 870 Tactical has their Rem-Choke system, which is compatible with most of their other chokes. The breacher choke just screws out.

[DaleGribble]

For most instances a short barrel for home defense (or the undead) wont be threaded for chokes right?

Usually, no. Guns designed for HD normally have either a built-in choke, or have a muzzle device instead of a choke.

FYI, most Remington 870's, even with the HD short barrels, are threaded for chokes. My 870 Tactical has their Rem-Choke system, which is compatible with most of their other chokes. The breacher choke just screws out.

870 tactical is threaded because of the breacher. Most others are not

[Tperkins]

For most instances a short barrel for home defense (or the undead) wont be threaded for chokes right?

Usually, no. Guns designed for HD normally have either a built-in choke, or have a muzzle device instead of a choke.

FYI, most Remington 870's, even with the HD short barrels, are threaded for chokes. My 870 Tactical has their Rem-Choke system, which is compatible with most of their other chokes. The breacher choke just screws out.

870 tactical is threaded because of the breacher. Most others are not

I'm pretty sure all of the 870's are threaded with the exception of their fully rifled barrels?

[DaleGribble]

Longer barreled models are bit most of the hd setups without stock breacher attachments are not. At least IME.

[400 Grains]

Correct. The majority of police or defense 870's do not have threaded barrels.

[squinty]

Polley: What stock/recoil pad do you have? Heavy loads in a pump with no recoil pad are a bitch, no matter who you are.

*waits for an internet badass to proclaim his love of high-brass 3.5" Mag with no pad*

Pads? Make sure you get the superabsorbent kind - pads are for p******! Men don't need no stinkin' pads! Grrrrrr!

I've had good luck with Limbsaver pads.

[DynaBreach]

Polley: What stock/recoil pad do you have? Heavy loads in a pump with no recoil pad are a bitch, no matter who you are.

*waits for an internet badass to proclaim his love of high-brass 3.5" Mag with no pad*

Okay. I'll take the bait. I absolutely LOVE high-brass 3.5" Mag loaded slugs with no pads. Actually, just to make it interesting, I remove the buttstock in my 870 and replace it broken glass and rusty spear tips.

To answer the initial question, though, I really have a strong love for my 870. I've got the LE version and it's a great piece of gear.

[TripleThreat]

Good luck to all

[Laevatein]

So I am thinking about getting a shotgun or two: One for me, 12 gauge pump and something with a little less heft to it for my GF (5ft 100 lbs). I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on either or both. i am thinking about the usual suspects for mine, Mossberg, and Remington.

Thanks,

Mossberg 590-A1

[Doctorr Fabulous]

So I am thinking about getting a shotgun or two: One for me, 12 gauge pump and something with a little less heft to it for my GF (5ft 100 lbs). I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on either or both. i am thinking about the usual suspects for mine, Mossberg, and Remington.

Thanks,

Mossberg 590-A1

Any reason you think a police shotgun designed around 6' tall 200-ish lb males is perfect for a five foot tall girl who weighs less than what my kid brother benches?

deadcat: howabout a Remington 870 Youth? Designed for small frames and short arms, comes in 20ga for lower recoil. Use the biggest, heaviest shot with the most 0's possible for HD. #2 might cut the mustard.

[DynaBreach]

So I am thinking about getting a shotgun or two: One for me, 12 gauge pump and something with a little less heft to it for my GF (5ft 100 lbs). I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on either or both. i am thinking about the usual suspects for mine, Mossberg, and Remington.

Thanks,

Mossberg 590-A1

Any reason you think a police shotgun designed around 6' tall 200-ish lb males is perfect for a five foot tall girl who weighs less than what my kid brother benches?

deadcat: howabout a Remington 870 Youth? Designed for small frames and short arms, comes in 20ga for lower recoil. Use the biggest, heaviest shot with the most 0's possible for HD. #2 might cut the mustard.

Yeah dude. I came from PI. All about slaying bodies.