Invasion Right Now! The first six hours, what would you do?

[squinty]

Yeah, it's definitely on!

Come on, Lecter! Let's get 'em!

[squinty]

I predict a difficult, protracted and costly occupation that the invading force will come to regret. Just sayin'.

Otherwise known as every occupation of the last forty years.

Yep. There's precedent.

[Mr. E. Monkey]

And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

Say, for the sake of argument, that I have > 300,000 rounds of centerfire ammunition on hand, and several hundred firearms. And while most aren't on any "list", probably a handful are. How should I proceed?

Give them to the monkey.

(Eh, it was worth a shot. )

[Mr. E. Monkey]

Let me inject a note of reality.

This thread is talking about a country/power that is strong enough to build up an invasion force on our borders without our knowledge. A force so big and strong that they can physically invade and potentially occupy the continental US lower 48. Such a build up would take quite a while and a lot of sophisticated efforts at intelligence gathering.

[Mr. E. Monkey]

Usa wins,but wastes most of its nukes

Define "most."

And then, some third force invades USA.Some coutries that were neutral,some might have even been USA allies block together and start a war with invasion.

Using a majority of our nuclear arsenal leaves us with more than most other countries, still--probably most of those that would be left to consider attacking us at that point.

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

Nuclear-Weapon States:

The nuclear-weapon states (NWS) are the five states—China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States—officially recognized as possessing nuclear weapons by the NPT. Although the treaty legitimizes these states’ nuclear arsenals, it also establishes that they are not supposed to build and maintain such weapons in perpetuity. Article VI of the treaty holds that each state-party is to “pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament.” In 2000, the five NWS committed themselves to an “unequivocal undertaking…to accomplish the total elimination of their nuclear arsenals.” But for now, the five continue to retain the bulk of their nuclear forces. Because of the secretive nature with which most governments treat information about their nuclear arsenals, most of the figures below are best estimates of each nuclear-weapon state’s nuclear holdings, including both strategic warheads and lower-yield devices referred to as tactical weapons.

China: About 240 total warheads.

France: Fewer than 300 operational warheads.

Russia: Approximately 1,566 operational strategic warheads [1], approximately 2,000 operational tactical warheads, and approximately 7,000 stockpiled strategic and tactical warheads.

United Kingdom: Fewer than 160 deployed strategic warheads, total stockpile of up to 225.

United States: Approximately 5,113 active and inactive [2] nuclear warheads and approximately 3,500 warheads retired and awaiting dismantlement. The 5,113 active and inactive nuclear warhead stockpile includes 1,790 deployed strategic warheads [1], approximately 500 operational tactical weapons, and approximately 2,645 inactive warheads.

Non-NPT Nuclear Weapons Possessors:

Three states—India, Israel, and Pakistan—never joined the NPT and are known to possess nuclear weapons. Claiming its nuclear program was for peaceful purposes, India first tested a nuclear explosive device in 1974. That test spurred Pakistan to ramp up work on its secret nuclear weapons program. India and Pakistan both publicly demonstrated their nuclear weapon capabilities with a round of tit-for-tat nuclear tests in May 1998. Israel has not publicly conducted a nuclear test, does not admit to or deny having nuclear weapons, and states that it will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East. Nevertheless, Israel is universally believed to possess nuclear arms. The following arsenal estimates are based on the amount of fissile material—highly enriched uranium and plutonium—that each of the states is estimated to have produced. Fissile material is the key element for making nuclear weapons. India and Israel are believed to use plutonium in their weapons, while Pakistan is thought to use highly enriched uranium.

India: Up to 100 nuclear warheads.
Israel: Between 75 to 200 nuclear warheads.
Pakistan: Between 70 to 90 nuclear warheads.

[squinty]

And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

Say, for the sake of argument, that I have > 300,000 rounds of centerfire ammunition on hand, and several hundred firearms. And while most aren't on any "list", probably a handful are. How should I proceed?

Give them to the monkey.

(Eh, it was worth a shot. )

You know, if these (hypothetical fictional rapacious) invaders come to take our guns, we should look at that as a convenience. Save us the trouble of going after them. They'll get me, sure, and they'll get my guns too.

[Logans Run]

Let me inject a note of reality.

This thread is talking about a country/power that is strong enough to build up an invasion force on our borders without our knowledge. A force so big and strong that they can physically invade and potentially occupy the continental US lower 48. Such a build up would take quite a while and a lot of sophisticated efforts at intelligence gathering.

LOL I can never watch that guy without wondering what he puts in his hair!

[bae]

I'd be interested to hear why so many people would bug out and leave all their shit rather than bug in. I mean, there's no way I'm bugging out in the first six hours. Even if my DD214 was framed on the wall, I got way more ammo at home (and food) than would be worth bugging out with.

I'm bugging in, after maybe arming a platoon or two of neighbors.

View out the window:



View from Zombie Ammo Bunker:

[MacAttack]

In a slightly fantasy world I can see an invasion happening.

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But this would take 20 to 30 years to sneak up on us.

And I can only see one nation with the will and eventual ability to pull it off. Even in 20 years.

But hey this is a fantasy idea right? Nothing to worry about for our children.

I sense your sarcasm. But no, this will not happen without a major shift in the US policy, sicne our stated foreign defense goal is to be ablke to conduct conventionalk or unconventional warfare on two different fronts at once. Believe me, no one in command seriously believes that a boot is ready to go to war.

Your right in the fact that, now, today, we have a command structure that is experienced, ready and knows war.
But the top commanders are all appointed by politicians. And in many cases are politicians themselves.
In just ten years or so we could have a whole new upper command structure that doesn't advance defense minded officers but friends and other politicians/officers.
Men who would agree that they could work with less personnel and mothballed equipment.
Without the small conflicts we normally get into we would soon have no junior officers experienced in actual combat. With an isolationist attitude in this country we could soon see that happening.

Heck the military could even change its recruitment standards.
Not only will we be reducing the size of our military but its basic core of personnel. They could start taking only those recruits who are recommended by their teachers and professors. Pretty soon the whole of the military is made up of those who only joined to "pay for school".

[Creepinjeep]

Seeing I work a swinging rotating shift, I could be on days, in which i would be at work, or nights, i would be at home already, or off on my weekend. If at work, I live about 55 miles from work, and if EMP did hit, would be a nice hike. I have enough supplies in my truck to get home fairly easily. It would just take a lil time. I live in a very rural area and see no reason of bugging out, although i have a few different BOL's depending on the severity of the situation.

[Tater Raider]

I welcome our new overlords with open arms.

And lube. Lots and lots of lube.

[ZomBosox]

I would def defend my homestead. I'm in a rural enough area that their forces probably wouldn't be heavily concentrated and I have a clear view for about 300 yards in all directions. Wouldn't be smart to try to sneak up in me. We're all military families so I'm sure posting roving watches would be
An option easily accomplished if we couldn't get to base for whatever reason. Then again it's a navy base so what could we really do if we could get there.

[Finch]

this is the only correct answer

me and my rifle will go see what we can do to help out

[400 Grains]

I'd be interested to hear why so many people would bug out and leave all their shit rather than bug in. I mean, there's no way I'm bugging out in the first six hours. Even if my DD214 was framed on the wall, I got way more ammo at home (and food) than would be worth bugging out with.

I'm bugging in, after maybe arming a platoon or two of neighbors.

View out the window:

Beautiful...

[400 Grains]

I welcome our new overlords with open arms.

And lube. Lots and lots of lube.

Eeeewwwwwww........

[ZomBosox]

I welcome our new overlords with open arms.

And lube. Lots and lots of lube.

WIN

[RoneKiln]

Bae, those pics of your "bunker" are exactly why I wouldn't want some of the people here immediately jumping behind a blade of grass. You get yourself killed in the first six hours, and most of that equipment and supplies is likely never leveraged to any use. A lot of people here could do so much more good by simply laying low and staying quiet for a bit. Then pick your targets carefully with far more knowledge.

[Tater Raider]

But at the same time it depends on the situation. My kids are grown or nearly so, so my gene pool thing is done. I'm starting to get some health problems so I got that to look forward to as well. On top of that I'll do random stuff that makes people go, "Really?"

So pretty much if it went down I'd do what I do and go out in a blaze of glory. Possibly bodily fluids as well. Who knows?

[squinty]

But at the same time it depends on the situation. My kids are grown or nearly so, so my gene pool thing is done. I'm starting to get some health problems so I got that to look forward to as well. On top of that I'll do random stuff that makes people go, "Really?"

So pretty much if it went down I'd do what I do and go out in a blaze of glory. Possibly bodily fluids as well. Who knows?

"A Blaze of Fluids" just doesn't have the same catchy ring to it.

Speaking of fluids: Everyone does what they can. If I'm pressed into slavery as the occupational governor's personal houseboy, I'll spit or put roofies in every umbrella drink he forces me to serve. No gas tank will go unsweetened, no tire unpunctured, no sheet unshorted, no foot un-hotted, no works bereft of a spanner or two, not a single corridor in the halls of occupational power shall be free of banana peels and roller skates, until my country is free of invaders. Might take awhile.

[bae]

"Max Manus" was an interesting film along these lines:

[squinty]

Cool flick about Danish resistance fighters in WWII.



And the trailer doesn't really do justice to the creepily surreal low budget "Army of Shadows." Mieville was in the French resistance, and made the movie to deflate some of the romantic notions - and self aggrandizing lies - about the resistance that sprouted up after the war.

[ZomBosox]

I think red dawn hit the nail on the head in a sense. Maybe not high school kids vs. the Russians but it would definitely be a lot of guerrilla warfare. It’s our home and we know it well. They will be expecting ambushes around every corner and that in and of itself is a psychological warfare that no invading army could possess against us. An invading army does just that. it invades and occupies. That means they must keep advancing if they wish to accomplish anything. we already occupy the space so there will be resistance at every corner of America. I have two daughters and a wife and I would be damned if I ever laid down my arms to let an invading army come through without a fight.

[superduder]

I just stumbled onto this thread, So Here's what I would do...No BS.
1st: at 9:AM I was on my way to the gun shop to pick up 2 new rifles I just purchased Thursday(got a delay, always do).

As soon as i finished picking them up I rush home to collect/inventory what supplies I have on hand*.
Contact family members (everyone is within 2 miles of my apt) to inform them that ts has in fact htf,
and see who's really up.
After gathering a list of future co-conspiritors, decide whether to bug out or not.
Probably not, since I do have at least some supplies stocked.
That's the first 6hrs, now what?
J

[airmandan]

Well seeing as I'm at work on base, I would valiantly attempt to fight the invaders. However since my leadership is more worried about not scaring people then securing the base, I would probably be dead within the first 10 min since I only have a 9mm pistol.

However in the event that I'm not at work, I collect my AR, HK and the rest of my fun filled gear and make for the hills. I will then form the Honey Badgers, and we will be an awesome force. Sadly I will die of dysentery.