Storing get home equipment

[jrswanson1]

My job precludes bringing a GHB in my truck with any kind of firearm. However, there are a few U-Store-It type places within easy walking distance. I thought about leaving supplies and a rifle in one of the storage lockers in case things go crazy while I'm at work and I have to either walk home or stick around for a few days until things settle down. The ARs stay at home, since my wife knows how to handle them. So which rifle to leave in the locker? Current candidates are a CETME, a Win 94 in .45 Colt, a Ruger 10/22, a Ruger Mini-14, a Kel Tec Sub2K, a Rem 870 12 Gauge, a SxS 12 Gauge, a converted Saiga 7.62x39, an Arsenal in 5.45x39, an Enfield No. 1 Mk III*, an FN-49 7x57, a Vz52, a 1917 Enfield, a Norinco SKS (unmolested), and a Tula hex receiver MN. I have clips available for the two Enfields, the FN, the Vz, and the SKS, but not for the Mosin. I have at least five magazines for the magazine fed rifles. The rifle I'm storing is to get me home. Which would offer the best balance of firepower and ease of carry?

Jim

[argyre]

In spite of knowing that folks will jump all over me, I'm voting for the VZ52.
(But I admit to very much liking mine...)

Heavier round than the ARs or AKs on your list, but still a moderate sized carbine.
Extremely sturdy stock, AND the handy bayonet, nicely folded against the stock.

Leaving it stashed probably won't be a hardship, as surplus ammo is getting hard to find, and the NEW stuff is exorbitant.
So it probably doesn't get to the range very often.

Much lighter than the MN. As is the ammo. And magazines...

Flip side - have you considered putting end caps on a good sized hunk of PVC pipe, big enough to hold your folded Keltec Sub2000, and strapping it to the inside of one of the frame rails on your truck?
Just remember to remove it before leaving your truck at the shop for anything...

[Sckitzo]

I'd say the SKS and the CZ pistol with the bag and some extra ammo. Not an insane amount, but enough where if it went really, really tits up you have the option of having it, and if it is just off, you can grab the pistol.

I voted this as from that list they are the cheapest ones that gets the job done, to me at least, this is debatable 600 ways.

Though check how often that place has gotten robbed, I'm sketchy about those places to be fair.

Also if you working at a sensitive job (not just say, at a school) and especially if you need a security clearance, your employer might not look kindly on what could be taken for a going Postal stash.

[Domino]

I'd use the best semi-auto rifle and/or pistol that has the least collector or overall value. In your case that would be the Norinco SKS with a sling and a chest carrier full of stripper clips. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a cheap 9mm-ish pistol such as a Makarov, P64, Bersa Thunder, Hi-Point C9, or Kel-Tec.

[MacAttack]

I would never trust a storage facility with my normal stuff let alone a firearm.

Plus they cost. And some can only be accessed during business hours. If you need to bug out you need to do it now not monday at 8 am.

As a truck driver your on the short end of the stick. If you employer says no guns then your reduced to no guns or risking losing your job if found out.


As for a bug out bag just start carrying a small gym bag with a change of cloths and a lunch. Once everyone sees this for a month or so then adding a a few extra things couldn't be to hard. I assume your allowed a lunch and maybe a few hand tools right? Remember this is ONLY an overnight bag with about 3 days of survival/starvation rations. Its not some long range assault pack or your camping outfit. Its just to get you home.
Remember to take your coat and a hat along also. You can fit quite a few things into a coat and hat.

Just make sure you covered by state law in case your pulled over and inspected for any reason. You don't need to go to jail for carrying a concealed weapon illegally to add to losing your job over it. If your licensed to carry then all the cop can do is hand you that speeding ticket or whatever. Its not like he's going to call your boss and tell on you.

[jrswanson1]

As a truck driver your on the short end of the stick. If you employer says no guns then your reduced to no guns or risking losing your job if found out.

I'm not a truck driver, I drive a truck to work.

As for a bug out bag just start carrying a small gym bag with a change of cloths and a lunch. Once everyone sees this for a month or so then adding a a few extra things couldn't be to hard. I assume your allowed a lunch and maybe a few hand tools right? Remember this is ONLY an overnight bag with about 3 days of survival/starvation rations. Its not some long range assault pack or your camping outfit. Its just to get you home.
Remember to take your coat and a hat along also. You can fit quite a few things into a coat and hat.

Lots of stuff I can't bring to the installation, hence the original plan. As in, it would be illegal for me to bring them in and I'd get arrested and stuff for it.

Just make sure you covered by state law in case your pulled over and inspected for any reason. You don't need to go to jail for carrying a concealed weapon illegally to add to losing your job over it. If your licensed to carry then all the cop can do is hand you that speeding ticket or whatever. Its not like he's going to call your boss and tell on you.

Yes, I have a concealed weapons permit. I still can't bring anything considered a weapon here, even if I leave it in my vehicle.

Jim

[MacAttack]

How is you boss able to inspect your vehicle?

Unless you in some government facility I don't think your boss can break into a locked vehicle to inspect it. Unless he can see it through the windows how is he able to even know you have it?

As far as I can tell all a boss can do is have you charged with trespassing after your fired. And even then you would have to have refused to leave in a timely manor.

At least here in Ohio most security guards are not even allowed to touch you unless you threaten someone. Some can't even stop you from stealing something. All they can do is call the real cops and take pictures.



You really should look up your own state laws. It would help you a lot.

[jrswanson1]

Unless you in some government facility

I am. I can't even bring a knife on the facility grounds.

Jim

[IceWing]

Out of curiosity, does the facility have some kind of, well, facilities, where you can store items you're not allowed to bring into the buildings?

If it's legal to have on the street outside of the facility, but not allowed by regulation to have inside, wouldn't they have to provide some kind of holding area?

Ice

[Rebel Pariah]

tagged for further lurking of this thread

[MacAttack]

Why do I get the feeling this guy wants to know how to sneak a firearm into a school or courthouse?

This guy either works inside a prison or he's a Subway sandwich shop worker in the pentagon.


Dude, you need to figure this one out yourself.


If you can't legally keep the firearm in your vehicle while working then your just out of luck in the firearm department.

[Kutter_0311]

Unless you in some government facility

I am. I can't even bring a knife on the facility grounds.

I understand your pain, though it's clear some do not. I've worked for the govt. Great bennies, shitty rules.

I've never had anything stolen from a storage locker, and my family has been using them for years. Most people store absolute crap in them. I'm really no exception there. When I asked, the guy renting me the most recent locker said the only break-ins he's ever had were all family trouble, and I can believe that. Watch that 'storage wars' show a bit, and you can see how much time it takes to actually find anything of any value, much less something worth the time/effort/risk of breaking in to enough lockers to actually score. Sure, if someone knows which locker has guns/ammo, that would be a target. OpSec will keep that risk minimal. Nobody needs to know, and the owner won't rat you out to your boss. Unless I miss my guess, 'going postal' is the least of your boss's worries, your security teams are not to be trifled with.

I'd say converted Saiga, you know you want to build another, anyway

If you can, stick a Chinese folding spike on her befored you store it. Pointy sticks are handy

For OpSec, tell the guy renting it your dad/wife's ex/whatever is a douche ex-con who lives to fuck with you and your family, so he's to completely deny you were there unless there is a search warrant. Most are pretty good about that anyway. Visually, make sure your gear looks like a pile of worthless crap. This is a great chance to disappear anything you don't want around the house. Get some cheap storage bins and cardboard boxes, put your gear at the bottom, cover with your kids old toys, your wife's old clothes, VHS tapes, and any other odds and ends that you haven't used in a few years. Extra points for being messy. No tops on any boxes. Anyone looking in when the door is open should be able to see lots and lots of nothing worth stealing.

[Rebel Pariah]

Why do I get the feeling this guy wants to know how to sneak a firearm into a school or courthouse?

This guy either works inside a prison or he's a Subway sandwich shop worker in the pentagon.


Dude, you need to figure this one out yourself.


If you can't legally keep the firearm in your vehicle while working then your just out of luck in the firearm department.

the OP has been pretty clear, he can't and has never asked how... he wants advice for storing gear elsewhere to get home,

btw I would opt for the sub2k and pair that up with a matching glock... I just wish you could put a red dot on a sub2k and still fold it... the more I shoot red dots, the less I ever want to shoot iron sights again.... I know shooting irons are good for me, but just like spinach just because its good for me doesn't mean I have to like it


also get home gear should include more than a firearm you have to survive long enough to use your ammo

[Kutter_0311]

also get home gear should include more than a firearm you have to survive long enough to use your ammo

I assumed a ruck would be in there as well, with maybe a satchel in his truck to get him to his locker.

[Rebel Pariah]

I too would ASSUME he plans to store more than just a rifle...


but you know what happens when you ASSUME

you make an ASS out of U and ME

[Kutter_0311]

No, I think we're safe on this one. My ruck has food in it.

The hungry guy with a rifle and nothing else looks like a skinny ass, though...

[Akin]

Unless you in some government facility

I am. I can't even bring a knife on the facility grounds.

Jim

Not suggesting you break any rules, but if you haven't already, I'd look into exactly what your employer can actually get away with. Lots of places say they can search your car out in the parking lot, but the only place I could find that had the actual legal authority to do so (short of being able to articulate probable cause for law enforcement) was a nuclear power plant. Although if it's an indoor parking lot, there's a bit more play in it... this was a few years back, though, when a City worker was suspected of having things in his car that we didn't like... YMMV...

[MacAttack]

I just personally don't like the idea of renting storage space for a BOB.

All the storage areas around here, except one out in the middle of no mans land, are all fenced in or indoors and ONLY accessible during business hours.

Not really a good idea if you need it now and not tomorrow.


Plus how do you get your junk back if you forget to pay the bill? Wouldn't they hold onto it until you could pay? Not a nice option.


They might be the safest place to keep something but that doesn't mean its a good thing to do.


If its all you got though and your willing to spend the cash then go ahead.

[Kutter_0311]

All the storage areas around here, except one out in the middle of no mans land, are all fenced in or indoors and ONLY accessible during business hours. Not really a good idea if you need it now and not tomorrow. Plus how do you get your junk back if you forget to pay the bill? Wouldn't they hold onto it until you could pay? Not a nice option.

A lot of that will depend on AO. Nothing in my town is like that. I've always been able to get to my stuff whenever I wanted. Helpfull, since I often stash Christmas presents and the like there in the middle of the night...

If you stop paying, management adds one of their locks so that, no, you can't get your stuff. This is really the only way they have to ensure they get paid. They hold your stuff hostage until you pay, or they auction it off.

[Akin]

Another consideration even if the storage place is accessible twenty-four hours a day... would you be able to get in if the power was out? Every one that I've seen out here has prison-style walls and fencing around them, unless the entire facility is inside a concrete warehouse. In either case, access is granted by punching in your code at the entrance... this also supposedly helps deal with theft, because if the door to a unit is opened but the code that is associated with it hasn't been entered at any of the entrances, someone would be notified to come check it out (in theory).

So, if the power were out due to, say, a widespread disaster of the sort that's made you decide to abandon your car and make it home on foot, you might not be able to get in at all. Maybe carry tools of the sort one would need to gain access to the facility in a bag in your car? Just hope your car's never searched during a traffic stop or you may have a hard time explaining your possession of burglary tools... heh...

If you looked hard enough, you could likely find an old-school storage place without any electronic gates or anything, but then that'd be an extra layer of worry about the security of the place during the non-emergency times...

[MacAttack]

If he could keep B and E equipment in his car then he can keep his BOB in his car also.

Maybe not a fire arm but at least the rest of what he needs to get home.

[Rebel Pariah]

another option is you could create a cache and bury it somewhere within a distance that's comfortable for you

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=92523
thread about them I'm sure there are more that are also better this is just the most recent


what region do you live in? I have read they are nearly impossible to dig out in the winter if the soil freezes, so that might matter

[Akin]

Wasn't there recently an incident where someone's cache was found by a County work crew and there was a big brouhaha and the owner was tracked down and arrested? I'd be really careful hiding a cache on property that you don't own...

[Rebel Pariah]

firstly, link
I haven't heard anything about this.... not saying I don't believe you I just try to verify hearsay

secondly that isn't a bad thing to consider, what are the ramifications if someone finds your cache?...

I think the bigger issue would be burying something on someone else's land, rather than what's inside of it but its something to consider