the Defensive Shotgun; How we make it work--MilCopp Blog

[AKFTW]

I plan on sticking some hook-and-loop on my shotgun when I get one, and going with the ESSTAC Shotgun Cards. Looks like a good system and would streamline my shotgun reloads for 3-gun instead of using a shot-shell belt.

[doc66]

I plan on sticking some hook-and-loop on my shotgun when I get one, and going with the ESSTAC Shotgun Cards. Looks like a good system and would streamline my shotgun reloads for 3-gun instead of using a shot-shell belt.

I still have yet to try these! I've heard good things, so if you get them, let me know...

[TDW586]

I like my velcro ESSTac shotgun cards a lot. The only thing is, I need to get a larger surface of higher quality Velcro for the loop (that's the soft side, right?) side, mounted on the shotgun. With the cheap, Walmart stuff I've got on there now, the recoil knocks the card loose and jars the shells around too much.

I'm hoping a larger surface of velcro on the receiver will fix this issue.

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[400 Grains]

Can you trim those down for less rounds/bulk?

[TDW586]

Yeah, I haven't tried it but I don't see any reason you couldn't. They're pretty simple elastic shell loops on hook velcro backed nylon, should be easy to cut down as long as you seal/burn/sew the cut well to prevent fraying.

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[400 Grains]

Yeah, I haven't tried it but I don't see any reason you couldn't. They're pretty simple elastic shell loops on hook velcro backed nylon, should be easy to cut down as long as you seal/burn/sew the cut well to prevent fraying.

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Cool, I'll get a couple and try it. I've got 4 round sidesaddles on a couple 870's and these look like they'd be less bulky.

[TDW586]

Like I said, the recoil on my 1201FP tends to knock the shells loose, but I've only got one 2" strip of Velcro to mount them to. I haven't heard that complaint from anyone else, so I assume a bigger area of velcro will correct the issue.

I've got one on the gun and another on the chest of my Eagle plate carrier, it's a good system. Reload like a standard side saddle, then just rip the empty card off and replace it with the one off the vest.

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[Kiwi Bowhunter]

Nah, I was gonna get side saddles as well.
These sorta things:
http://www.manmountainengineering.com/i ... 1&Itemid=1
For like a Chest rig or belt...

Cheers,
Sean.

[TDW586]

Ooh, those. No, never used those.

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[400 Grains]

Like I said, the recoil on my 1201FP tends to knock the shells loose, but I've only got one 2" strip of Velcro to mount them to. I haven't heard that complaint from anyone else, so I assume a bigger area of velcro will correct the issue.

I've got one on the gun and another on the chest of my Eagle plate carrier, it's a good system. Reload like a standard side saddle, then just rip the empty card off and replace it with the one off the vest.

Cool, I've got some industrial strength velcro I'll try.

[doc66]

Nah, I was gonna get side saddles as well.
These sorta things:
http://www.manmountainengineering.com/i ... 1&Itemid=1
For like a Chest rig or belt...

Cheers,
Sean.

Three gunners like them. I've seen those guys use them to good effect. I've never used them, so my thought; try it. If you like it, there you go. But anytime a manufacturer says "adjust the spring tension by bending it with a screw driver," well, seems to me they are creating their own market for springs! Why not have a screw tensioned spring? LOL.

[doc66]

Like I said, the recoil on my 1201FP tends to knock the shells loose, but I've only got one 2" strip of Velcro to mount them to. I haven't heard that complaint from anyone else, so I assume a bigger area of velcro will correct the issue.

I've got one on the gun and another on the chest of my Eagle plate carrier, it's a good system. Reload like a standard side saddle, then just rip the empty card off and replace it with the one off the vest.

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Wait, it doesn't come with Velcro for mounting?

[TDW586]

Like I said, the recoil on my 1201FP tends to knock the shells loose, but I've only got one 2" strip of Velcro to mount them to. I haven't heard that complaint from anyone else, so I assume a bigger area of velcro will correct the issue.

I've got one on the gun and another on the chest of my Eagle plate carrier, it's a good system. Reload like a standard side saddle, then just rip the empty card off and replace it with the one off the vest.

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Wait, it doesn't come with Velcro for mounting?

Nope, at least, mine didn't. It's backed with hook velcro, but doesn't include the loop portion.

[doc66]

That seems pretty stupid....

[AKFTW]

That seems pretty stupid....

Well, I guess they figure everybody has some loop-side velcro laying around from putting hook side sticky velcro on morale patches, I know I do

[400 Grains]

Wait, it doesn't come with Velcro for mounting?

Maybe they assume you have one of these...

http://www.bouncinbin.com/sales/item.asp?ID=553

[TDW586]

Wait, it doesn't come with Velcro for mounting?

Maybe they assume you have one of these...

http://www.bouncinbin.com/sales/item.asp?ID=553

I...must have that. I could create the greatest mall ninja outfit ever....MP5 magazines, tactical tantos, shotgun shells, and Glock magazines covering every inch of my body. It would be glorious.


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[AKFTW]

Wait, it doesn't come with Velcro for mounting?

Maybe they assume you have one of these...

http://www.bouncinbin.com/sales/item.asp?ID=553

I...must have that. I could create the greatest mall ninja outfit ever....MP5 magazines, tactical tantos, shotgun shells, and Glock magazines covering every inch of my body. It would be glorious.


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You could even slap some velcro on a pair of trauma plates to protect you from all those .338 Lapua rounds!

[TDW586]

The possibilities are endless!

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[CwlCymru]

Good article, I guess it really comes down to your surroundings and knowing what you really need.

Out here in CA where magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and properties tend to be 1/4 acre or less in urban areas rifles really become overkill as far as HD. Shotguns seem like a great tool to help defend a two bedroom house where an intruder will probably be within a few feet away. If there was someone in my back yard in the middle of the night I would much rather investigate with a 5+1 shotgun with 00 then something like a 6 shot .357 Mag.

Well you can get 8 shot .357 mag revolvers these days but if you pick up something like a SAIGA shotgun you can get 10 or 12 round mags (or huge 20rd drums in the extreme).

a lot of the trouble with shotguns is that most still use tubular magazines and that is basically 19th century in terms of technology. a small compact shotgun will only hold 4 rounds which just doesn't cut the mustard. Your tactical shotgun that holds 8 rounds with extension is a very large piece and may not be suitable for everyone.

basically technology has moved on in many areas and it's surprising that shotguns have taken so long to move forward. semi-auto shotguns with boxed magazines do a lot to improve the platform.

[UndeadInfidel]

UI= let me know how you solve your shotgun sling conundrum!

As an update - I just got all of the sling issues sorted out. I went ahead and ordered a Noveske flush QD swivel mount and installed it on the rear strong side of the stock. Looks awesome, is very solid, won't snag on anything, and gets the job done. I ordered a GG&G QD swivel mount that installs on the tube cap. This pretty much puts both sling points in perfect position for two point sling use and mirrors my AR configure. I went ahead and put one of my Husky slings on it and it handles well.

Sorry for the grainy images in advance. I'm in the process of a move and my DSLR camera is boxed away with most of my earthly belongings. iPhone it is!

Shotgun with sling mounted:


GG&G front qd mount:


Noveske qd flush mount installed in the standard 870 synthetic stock:


I'm looking forward to getting this out and actually doing some training with it now.

[doc66]

Nice. I like the way it looks and operates....

[Big B]

Good article, I guess it really comes down to your surroundings and knowing what you really need.

Out here in CA where magazines are limited to 10 rounds, and properties tend to be 1/4 acre or less in urban areas rifles really become overkill as far as HD. Shotguns seem like a great tool to help defend a two bedroom house where an intruder will probably be within a few feet away. If there was someone in my back yard in the middle of the night I would much rather investigate with a 5+1 shotgun with 00 then something like a 6 shot .357 Mag.

Well you can get 8 shot .357 mag revolvers these days but if you pick up something like a SAIGA shotgun you can get 10 or 12 round mags (or huge 20rd drums in the extreme).

a lot of the trouble with shotguns is that most still use tubular magazines and that is basically 19th century in terms of technology. a small compact shotgun will only hold 4 rounds which just doesn't cut the mustard. Your tactical shotgun that holds 8 rounds with extension is a very large piece and may not be suitable for everyone.

basically technology has moved on in many areas and it's surprising that shotguns have taken so long to move forward. semi-auto shotguns with boxed magazines do a lot to improve the platform.

While I get what you're saying, and would agree for those in non-ban states, I think you missed a key point in nacho's justification for using a shotgun for HD.

Also, I think your shift key isn't working

[UndeadInfidel]

Nice. I like the way it looks and operates....

Thanks. I know you probably hate the juicer and side saddle, but the juicer is my cyl bore choke, and I've actually grown to like the side saddle where it's at. It's pretty quick to reload with some practice. The mesa tactical side saddle would probably be better, but I had an excellent customer service experience with tacstar so it's staying for now.