AAR Break in, Manchester 2012

[squinty]

I'm finally starting to feel the adrenaline burn out, again thanks for all the kind words. Were there any better ways I could have dealt with this situation? What would be the different situation in America, what if I had access to firearms?

First: Boy am I glad you are OK. Tackling a desperate knife toting convict = big risk.
If you'd had access to a firearm I don't think it would have made much difference - not really acceptable to shoot a fleeing man, or an unarmed one. By the time you found out he had a knife, you'd already closed in to arm's length from him. The gun wouldn't have done much good - there's a thread here about Tueller drills and such - if you'd gone for it once you realized he had a knife.
I agree that pinning his arms to foul his knife draw might have been a good idea. What had he stolen?

[Ad'lan]

What had he stolen?

He grabbed my friends school bag, stuffed my friends laptop and then washbag into it and legged it out the broken window.

Really not a smart criminal, as the valuable guitar pedal was left on the desk. But then, the curtains were closed, if he'd picked a different room, he'd have hit the jackpot, as it was my friend will probably get more from the insurance than the laptop is worth.

[squinty]

What had he stolen?

He grabbed my friends school bag, stuffed my friends laptop and then washbag into it and legged it out the broken window.

Really not a smart criminal, as the valuable guitar pedal was left on the desk. But then, the curtains were closed, if he'd picked a different room, he'd have hit the jackpot, as it was my friend will probably get more from the insurance than the laptop is worth.

I'd say your friend owes you a beer or two - you did him a tremendous favor, and put yourself at some risk for him.
Also great that the B&E guy's going to time out for awhile, thanks to you. If you hadn't caught him, he might have gone on to really hurt someone.

[tshw1973]

Student houses and halls of residences are easy pickings for thieves. I deal with them all the time (defence solicitor in Manchester, sorry). If you need any help during the case like what to do,the process or whatever pm me.

[squinty]

Hope they nail the bastid. I can't abide a housebreaker.

[Ad'lan]

Student houses and halls of residences are easy pickings for thieves. I deal with them all the time (defence solicitor in Manchester, sorry). If you need any help during the case like what to do,the process or whatever pm me.

I appreciate the offer. The Detective in charge says the guy is most likely to plead guilty.

And don't apologise for your career, if I had been working on a carving project, I'd probably be the one in the dock.


Handed in the essay today, if you want to read it, PM me, or I'll Post it in this thread. 800 words on the TA and Nuclear Home Defence from documents from the 1960's.

[jackal556]

If you and your mates keep it up, my family might emigrate back. Thanks to cable we can keep tabs on Man U. Not that it's that hard. You just see who is in the standings below them.

[Ad'lan]

So, I've gotten a letter back from the CJS's witness care unit, Took a while to reach me because I've been on a bit of a walk about, but apparently the guy (and I now have his full name) has plead guilty, and by now been sentenced. I haven't yet received the next letter telling me the result, but rumour has it that he got 22 months, for all offences (the further prision sentence, the crime down south and the one in manchester).

Considering that he had a knife, and supposedly that's meant to have a 5 year penalty on it, I'm a bit disappointed about this turn up, but not surprised. It's youth's with knifes that the media is scared of. Old crackheads committing armed home breaking, not so much.

[FlashDaddy]

22 months doesn't sound too bad on a guilty plea. In the U.S. prisoners that have "good behavior" while incarcerated only serve half of their sentence. Do you guys have that?

[phil_in_cs]

22 months doesn't sound too bad on a guilty plea. In the U.S. prisoners that have "good behavior" while incarcerated only serve half of their sentence. Do you guys have that?

I was going to say - if he actually does 22 months that would be more than he'd get here. Now, if he's out in 4 months, or time served waiting for trial....

[Viper shtf]

Nicely done Ad'lan!

[tshw1973]

5 year minimum sentence is for guns not knives.22 month sentence means at most he will serve half (11 months) or at best 1/4 with home detention curfew.

[Ad'lan]

5 year minimum sentence is for guns not knives.22 month sentence means at most he will serve half (11 months) or at best 1/4 with home detention curfew.

I bow to your knowledge, I recalled it as knives, but I'm sure you'd know better than me

Even if he only serves 1/4 in goal, that gives me long enough that I'll be long gone from manchester.

[Greg Focker]

So, I've gotten a letter back from the CJS's witness care unit, Took a while to reach me because I've been on a bit of a walk about, but apparently the guy (and I now have his full name) has plead guilty, and by now been sentenced. I haven't yet received the next letter telling me the result, but rumour has it that he got 22 months, for all offences (the further prision sentence, the crime down south and the one in manchester).

Considering that he had a knife, and supposedly that's meant to have a 5 year penalty on it, I'm a bit disappointed about this turn up, but not surprised. It's youth's with knifes that the media is scared of. Old crackheads committing armed home breaking, not so much.

Fucking A, the guy that broke into my house in December hasn't even gotten an actual trial date yet.

[Ad'lan]

Got a letter through. He's been sentenced, 4 months for the offence I gave a statement for (statement was used in court, so at least I helped convict him as well as catch him). 20 months in total for all his offences (don't know if that includes time served, but presumably includes breaking his remand and the burglary in the midlands).

Also, the essay I was trying to write got pretty high marks has been published by my university, and can be read here:http://www.writingonscience.org/wp/adam-durrant-home-defence-and-the-territorial-army/

Though for some reason, none of the citations are included. Misses half the fun of referencing Yes Minister in a First Class essay.