Picked up a Mosin Nagant 91-30

[jrswanson1]

I know that you clean a rifle after shooting. Just didn't know if using that kind ammo makes more difficult to clean it.

Cleaning up after surplus ammo requires some hot water then some regular cleaning supplies. If you don't want the hassle, Silver Bear makes cheap, non-corrosive ammo in that caliber.

I picked up an Izzy hex receiver 91/30 at the gun show for $127 OTD. Laminated stock, matching bolt and receiver, along with all of the goodies like it was issued with. I took her and four other milsurps out Friday for some shooting. Working the bolt is work! I put five rounds through her after shooting my Chinese SKS, Venezuelan FN-49, SMLE, and my 1917 Enfield. After shooting the two Enfields, working the bolt on the MN sucked. It was till a fun day, but with all of the earlier shooting with no recoil pads in sight, my shoulder was killing me.

Jim

[mystic_1]

As someone once said to me,

"Is Mosin, just shoot."



Seriously though, cleaning up after corrosive ammo is no worse than cleaning up after any other ammo, with the addition of a quick hot water rinse to start things off. Just make sure you do it promptly, these things can rust up practically before your eyes if you don't stay on top of the cleaning.

mystic_1

[azstinger]

This is for an AK but pretty good break down on cleaning up after shooting corrosive ammo

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/ind ... ic=22672.0

[Minuteman X]

got my Mosin on budsguns a while back I think it was 90$. Still haven't gotten to shoot it tho, I gotta make a trip to the range soon

[nc77089]

$89.99 Dunham Sports here in KY this week. I would put it on layaway if i had the money, then an M38 or M44

[Trebor]

I've got five (or is it six?) Mosins. I didn't mean to buy that many, but they are like potato chips. You can't have just one.

I like 'em for the WWII history most, as there are other rifles I prefer to shoot.

If I remember correctly, I have:

Soviet 91/30 (Tula, I think)
Soviet M 38
Soviet M44 w/ WII dated PU scope
Finn rebuilt 91/30 (Remington receiver)
Finn M 28/30
Finn M 39

Ok, that's six. I should dig 'em all out and do a family portrait sometime. I have shots of a few, but not all, and not all together.

[Teqnikal]

At my local pawnshop there is a mosin 1891/59 marked like this
1943
1891/59
c \|/ 1573
/|\

It's not the closed triangle with the arrow inside, or maybe that part has just been worn off, and I don't remember there being anything above the 1943.
Any way, I was wondering if $140 is a good price. I only looked at it for a second, and didn't have a flashlight to check the rifling in the barrel. What else should I be looking for in terms of quality?

[JesterODX]

59'S were cut down 30's to carbine lengths in Bulgaria. Wikipedia says they are near clones of the 38's except for the modified rear site... Learned something new. Didnt know about 59's.

[FlashDaddy]

At my local pawnshop there is a mosin 1891/59 marked like this
1943
1891/59
c \|/ 1573
/|\

It's not the closed triangle with the arrow inside, or maybe that part has just been worn off, and I don't remember there being anything above the 1943.
Any way, I was wondering if $140 is a good price. I only looked at it for a second, and didn't have a flashlight to check the rifling in the barrel. What else should I be looking for in terms of quality?

As long as you can see some rifling, this is a good deal. I would snap it up if it were here. Short mosins are in short supply. Its possible there is still cosmoline in the barrel, if it wasn't clean after coming out of 50 years of storage. That would make it hard to see the barrel's condition, but also mean that the barrel is probably in very good condition. Other things to look for are if all the parts are there, like the rear sight, front sight, butt plate, handguard, two handguard retaining ring things. You can see good pictures of 91/59's at 7.62x54r.com, like this 91/59 page. Even if it had a crack in the stock, I'd get it and repair it, though I'd want to try to talk the shop down in price after I showed it to them. And its a pawn shop, so always offer lower than the marked price.

If you get it, post some pics!

[mystic_1]

and didn't have a flashlight to check the rifling in the barrel

You can get some idea of the condition of the rifling by removing the bolt and looking down the bore from the rear. Open the bolt, pull back the trigger, and slide the bolt off the back of the receiver. Aim the barrel at a light source and peer down the bore.

Another simple thing to check is take the bolt assembly that you just removed and 'de-cock' it so you can see the end of the firing pin and make sure it's not borked. If the gun includes the dis-assembly tool, you can use it to check the firing pin protrusion too.

I, too, had never heard of a 59, I'd be tempted to buy it just for that fact alone.

mystic_1

[nc77089]

my hunt continues. I went to Dunham's they had 2 hex receivers one from 1929 force matched serial numbers, barrel looked like the outside was repaired, neither looked that good of condition.

[Polley]

$175 Hungarian M44 here. Yay for people not knowing what they have and selling on consignment at local gun stores!


I'm pretty sure M44s are typically $300, right?

[Teqnikal]

I went back and checked it out again, all the serials are matching, the rifling was good, and it was defiantly marked with the Izhevsk stamp. Picked it up for $197.35 with all taxes and fees. I'll put some pics up in ten days, when I actually get to pick it up. (California, yeah....)

[nc77089]

I went back and checked it out again, all the serials are matching, the rifling was good, and it was defiantly marked with the Izhevsk stamp. Picked it up for $197.35 with all taxes and fees. I'll put some pics up in ten days, when I actually get to pick it up. (California, yeah....)

Ouch. Sorry dude that sucks but at least you got one In good condition.

[Teqnikal]

$200 is a good price, most of the auction sites have the 91/59s for $275ish, so I'd still have to pay for shipping DRoS, FFL, and taxes.

[Azrael723]

...they had 2 hex receivers one from 1929...

hex receivers are a lot harder to find since they are pre-WW2. I have heard they were supposed to be stronger than round receivers but i dont know how true this is.

mine is a 1942. Shoots like a beast. i added a scope rail, long relief scope and rubber butt plate for under $100 havent been able to shoot it since the upgrades though.

[nc77089]

$200 is a good price, most of the auction sites have the 91/59s for $275ish, so I'd still have to pay for shipping DRoS, FFL, and taxes.

I meant the "Ouch" part about California, not the price.

[Azrael723]

i was at a gun show in valparaiso, IN a few weeks back... guys were selling them for <$100.00. with original pouches, oil cans, shoulder strap, bayonet and tool. still packed with storage grease.

[Wrangler]

An M44 from Hungry is not your typical 91-30 from Russia. $175 is a heck of a deal.

[Polley]

$175 Hungarian M44 here. Yay for people not knowing what they have and selling on consignment at local gun stores!


I'm pretty sure M44s are typically $300, right?

Where the hell are you all buying your mosins from? they sell for less than a hundred bucks around here. (91-30)
I bought a m38 for 60 dollars. The flea market has m44s for 120....

Every M44 carbine I've seen on GunBroker has more or less been around $300.

[Polley]

Touché. Around here, though, I only know of one other person with an M44. Mosin-Nagants really aren't that popular in my area. When people get a bolt-action, it's pretty much a new hunting rifle. Winchester Model 70s galore.

[Polley]

Hun, thats odd. You cant go to a yard sale/flee market/pawn/gunshop here with out walking into a barrel of different Mosins. Must be a cultural/ regional thing...

Having any milsurp or "black rifle" is, for some reason, 'strange' around here. I mean, you might get the occasional, "And what war are you preparing for?" comment or something, but the vast, vast majority of gun owners around here do this: Hunting rifle, hunting rifle, hunting rifle, hunting rifle, hunting shotgun, hunting rifle, CCW pistol, hunting rifle, hunting rifle, hunting rifle.

My family (and a few friends) are kind of strange in the fact that, between the group of, there's some Daewoos, AKs, ARs, SKSs, "SMG" clones, etc... I mean, I usually take my rifle to work (oh, the benefits of a family-owned business), but there was one occasion when a family friend came in close to closing time. I stayed in the office with my Daewoo because I didn't want to freak them out by walking past them towards the back door to time out and leave. They left, then my father asked, "Why are you still here?"
"Didn't want to freak them out by walking by with my rifle."
"Why would you be worried? It's not like they're going to say anything to the guy carrying an assault rifle."

He had a point. I think that, due to a lot of negative connotations to those types of rifles, I feel as though I have to be careful with what I do. It sucks, but if it keeps me out of some unnecessary trouble, whatever. I think that's another reason a lot of people around here stick to hunting firearms. That and pretty much everyone hunts.

The only popular milsurp around here consists of two things: "Mausers" and M1 Carbines. Garands are getting more popular, however.

[ZomBosox]

Butches Bore Shine FTW when it comes to corrosive ammo. i use it regularly and have never had an issue. it was like 8 bucks and it smells like soap. pretty nice stuff. its primarily a black powder cleaner but works awesome on corrosive ammo. its all i shoot through my mosin because its so cheap.

[Polley]

I have a mixture of things I use for corrosive ammunition, mostly because I'm clueless and am super afraid of doing something wrong.

I, therefore, run patches of several different products down the barrel while cleaning. One of those is Tipton's "Truly Remarkable Bore Solvent." I saw it had ammonia in the "ingredients," and, if I remember correctly, this helps a ton on corrosive stuff. After that it's some Hoppes anti-carbon stuff that's in a little spritzer (I've only ever handled mouthpiece cleanser in a container like this, but I know this description probably helps roughly zero percent of the people reading this) followed by some Barnes stuff (smells like Satan's urine, I can barely stand the stuff, but it works) and then some Winchester Break Free followed by some CLP Break Free.

Yep.