Ultimate ZS Battle/Scout Belt Thread

[BullOnParade]

Maybe not everyone is planning to walk down the street during a disaster. Maybe not everyone cares about sticking out like a sore thumb, depending on the situation. See "The Myth of the Gray Man" for more on that.

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I'm not walking down the street unless I have to. But if I'm Chillin like a survivalist in the BIL or BOL, why not have some minimal battle rattle at the ready? By keeping it streamlined, it shouldn't interfere with day to day Disaster living. Having more concealed options is important too.

[monkeys]

I do not mean to be an asshole, I think this stuff is cool too, but do you guys intend to wear this stuff when in a bugout or when walking down the street in a disaster. You will stick out like a sore thumb.
Or is this just a range and camping thing?

Mine's just for camping. Hence no pistol.

I think the idea of arming yourself for high intensity post disaster gun battles like you're some sort of soldier is dumb.

[Rednex]

I think the battle belts are for a few things. Camping is one of the things i can see belts like this used for ,and i have made a few camping belts up my self. Another is traing like at Mil-Cop. Im looking into scheduling a class or 2 and i dont want to end up there with mags stuffed in my pockets. So these threads and post help me pick what looks like i may like and beable to work with so i can try it out untill i find what works best for me.

AKFTW has something im aiming for minimal/basic. A pistol ,a few mags , knife ,blowout kit/med kit, compass ,and a canteen is all i plan on. The chest rig will hold the rifle gear. A hydration system that can stand alone on my back or maybe hooked to the chest rig.

[praharin]

I think the idea of arming yourself for high intensity post disaster gun battles like you're some sort of soldier is dumb.

That's cool. Care to explain why and which loadout(s) posted here leads you to believe that other's are doing that?

[Dshk]

Harness - SORD 8 point with extra padding stitched on for wearing underneath uncomfortable body armour. The 8 point connection greatly reduces rotational movement of the belt rig so I can run and crawl all day and have it remain in the same place. The rear straps in the centre are loose so that the kidney pad of a pack does not push against them and the tension causes the rear of the belt to pull up / the harness pull down on my shoulders (problem in the past). I'm looking into a fastex clip style system to quickly adjust the length of the straps between 2 presets: high for running, low for pack. Also experimenting with different quick release systems for attaching a camel back so it can be quickly removed when I need to put on a pack.

Belt - Issued belt

Comforter - 2 of these zip tied together. The bottom comforter stops the pouches rubbing on my legs/hips/ass. I used 2 singles because thats what I had at the time. Due to there being only 4 loops for the belt, zip ties were used to hold the belt tight to the comforter. The lower comforter has been cut up the front to stop it restricting my leg movements when worn down low and I've cut a butt flap as well to slightly reduce stiffness/restriction on movement. Its messy because I was too lazy to detach the comforter first. The top pad in the middle is there to stop the clips rubbing on my back when I have a pack on.

Pouches - 3 alice connector minimi pouches and 2 slightly larger versions of this. The last 2 pouches can hold a south african 2L water bottle or 500 x 5.56mm link (50 round belts). The original clips were shit and broke off when they got hooked on stuff in the J so I've sewed on generic fastex clips. A bit more fiddly to close now that the bottom clip is on a strap as opposed to being attached directly to the pouch, but atleast the clips are interchangeable with all my other fastex clips and the straps are much more secure than the previous buckle on a pouch.

The other 3 main pouches can hold 400 x 5.56mm link. All pouches are zip tied to adjacent pouches so they do not flop around individually and are also zip tied to the belt incase the alice clips break/come lose. The bottom of the pouch is also zip tied to the lower comforter Each pouch is kept in shape by an open plastic container on the inside which makes it easier to put mags back in. Also attached are 2 x 5.56mm single magazine pouches sew to the front 2 minimi pouches. If I can get hold of more, then I'll sew 2 more on to each minimi to have a home made panic pouch.


Probably not the best thing to run around in in and urban environment (apart from the obvious looks, it makes you significantly wider) but its great for carrying weight over long distance

[praharin]

Probably not the best thing to run around in in and urban environment (apart from the obvious looks, it makes you significantly wider) but its great for carrying weight over long distance

M249 + 1000 rounds (900 + 100 round nutsack) is never wrong. Never.

[gravediggerfour]

I do not mean to be an asshole, I think this stuff is cool too, but do you guys intend to wear this stuff when in a bugout or when walking down the street in a disaster. You will stick out like a sore thumb.
Or is this just a range and camping thing?

In a all out SHTF I dont think my belt is going to make much difference when all is said and done.

[L1Z4RD]

Sigboy what holste are you using for your xd,has it worked well with you belt setup ?

Thanks for you help.
Ps spell check dosent work for my phone so pleas excuse spelling errors

I use a bladetech dropped offset (DOH) holster, the retention is good and it holds the pistol firmly in place while doing anything you would do with your belt. It also is offset enough to clear all the other items on your belt.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.blade-tech.com/Dropped-Offset-Holster-w-SRB-Loop-pr-1163.html&sa=U&ei=lFlNTsr8DsnYiAKKhMCZAQ&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEU6l3al3Lx1y7uObcXUxek-c-OGA

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I like what I see, but how's the retention? Also what's an SRB loop? Sorry, I'm new to the Battle Belt arena. I'm slowly putting some "battle rattle" together for some training.

ETA: And where can I find some of them thin suspenders?

[sigboy40]

Sigboy what holste are you using for your xd,has it worked well with you belt setup ?

Thanks for you help.
Ps spell check dosent work for my phone so pleas excuse spelling errors

I use a bladetech dropped offset (DOH) holster, the retention is good and it holds the pistol firmly in place while doing anything you would do with your belt. It also is offset enough to clear all the other items on your belt.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.blade-tech.com/Dropped-Offset-Holster-w-SRB-Loop-pr-1163.html&sa=U&ei=lFlNTsr8DsnYiAKKhMCZAQ&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEU6l3al3Lx1y7uObcXUxek-c-OGA

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I like what I see, but how's the retention? Also what's an SRB loop? Sorry, I'm new to the Battle Belt arena. I'm slowly putting some "battle rattle" together for some training.

ETA: And where can I find some of them thin suspenders?

Bladetech retention is awesome and adjustable. I have not had a pistol come loose from my battle belt during all the abuse it has been put through.

Suspenders are easy. My next set will be the HSGI set, http://www.skdtac.com/HSGI-High-Speed-Suspenders-p/hsg.105.htm
The set that I have now is the ATS set http://www.atstacticalgear.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=ST-2599

I also have to recomend the Condor H harness if you are going to be running the belt with any large amount of weight.

[L1Z4RD]

Sigboy what holste are you using for your xd,has it worked well with you belt setup ?

Thanks for you help.
Ps spell check dosent work for my phone so pleas excuse spelling errors

I use a bladetech dropped offset (DOH) holster, the retention is good and it holds the pistol firmly in place while doing anything you would do with your belt. It also is offset enough to clear all the other items on your belt.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.blade-tech.com/Dropped-Offset-Holster-w-SRB-Loop-pr-1163.html&sa=U&ei=lFlNTsr8DsnYiAKKhMCZAQ&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEU6l3al3Lx1y7uObcXUxek-c-OGA

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I like what I see, but how's the retention? Also what's an SRB loop? Sorry, I'm new to the Battle Belt arena. I'm slowly putting some "battle rattle" together for some training.

ETA: And where can I find some of them thin suspenders?

Bladetech retention is awesome and adjustable. I have not had a pistol come loose from my battle belt during all the abuse it has been put through.

Suspenders are easy. My next set will be the HSGI set, http://www.skdtac.com/HSGI-High-Speed-Suspenders-p/hsg.105.htm
The set that I have now is the ATS set http://www.atstacticalgear.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=ST-2599

I also have to recomend the Condor H harness if you are going to be running the belt with any large amount of weight.

Thanks, nothing heavy. Just pistol and a few mags.

[lokifz1]

Might not stick out too bad depending on the situation.

Around your place, part of a neighborhood watch, etc.

Now if your in a herd oh people on the highway yeah gonna stick out.

[KnightoftheRoc]

Sigboy what holste are you using for your xd,has it worked well with you belt setup ?

Thanks for you help.
Ps spell check dosent work for my phone so pleas excuse spelling errors

I use a bladetech dropped offset (DOH) holster, the retention is good and it holds the pistol firmly in place while doing anything you would do with your belt. It also is offset enough to clear all the other items on your belt.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.blade-tech.com/Dropped-Offset-Holster-w-SRB-Loop-pr-1163.html&sa=U&ei=lFlNTsr8DsnYiAKKhMCZAQ&ved=0CBEQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEU6l3al3Lx1y7uObcXUxek-c-OGA

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I like what I see, but how's the retention? Also what's an SRB loop? Sorry, I'm new to the Battle Belt arena. I'm slowly putting some "battle rattle" together for some training.

ETA: And where can I find some of them thin suspenders?

Bladetech retention is awesome and adjustable. I have not had a pistol come loose from my battle belt during all the abuse it has been put through.

Suspenders are easy. My next set will be the HSGI set, http://www.skdtac.com/HSGI-High-Speed-Suspenders-p/hsg.105.htm
The set that I have now is the ATS set http://www.atstacticalgear.com/cgi/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=ST-2599

I also have to recomend the Condor H harness if you are going to be running the belt with any large amount of weight.

What amount do you consider "any large amount of weight"? Because of my toasted back, I have nearly half my BO loadout on a pistol belt, around 25 pounds worth, to keep it on my hips, below the injury site. It's all ALICE stuff on an older style pistolbelt, with the brass buckle. I'm slowly sipping the MOLLE kool-aid, so it's not like I'm married to this arrangement, despite the fact I've had it longer than my marriage lasted.

[sigboy40]

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What amount do you consider "any large amount of weight"?

In my experience I find that I want my Condor Suspenders around 17 pounds or so. I try and run the belt at 12-15, and I can use the lighter suspenders then.

I know that sounds heavy to some of you, but it adds up quick:
2 qts of water-4 pounds
pistol and ammo-4 pounds

There is 8 pounds and we haven't added rifle ammo, survival kits, pogie bait, etc.

[Tetra Grammaton Cleric]

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[sigboy40]

For my next belt I was originally going to go with the HSGI belt, which I hear is made of pure AWESOME, but I am currently looking at the Vikings Tactics belt. http://www.skdtac.com/Viking-Tactics-Battle-Belt-VTAC-Brokos-Belt-p/vkg.510.htm The main reason why is because 5-11 said that they were running their copy as a hip belt on some of their packs. Simply run your riggers belt outside of those loops and through the mount on your pack. That sprung my creative juices and I am going to try and make that happen on my eberlestock, leave the back open, add one Nalgene holder, 2 pistol mags, 2 rifle mags, HSGI blow out pouch, Knife, Pistol and a compass pouch.

My only complaint right now is colors. I wanted to change everything over to Foliage, I ordered my eberlestock pack in Military Green, thinking it would be close to foliage, it's not. The Vikings Tactic Belt isnt available in Foliage, but it is in Coyote. Either color matches the pack fine, but I'm not sure if I want to put Foliage pouches on a tan belt, or if I should just stick with Coyote pouches and deal with it.

[BullOnParade]

For my next belt I was originally going to go with the HSGI belt, which I hear is made of pure AWESOME, but I am currently looking at the Vikings Tactics belt. http://www.skdtac.com/Viking-Tactics-Battle-Belt-VTAC-Brokos-Belt-p/vkg.510.htm The main reason why is because 5-11 said that they were running their copy as a hip belt on some of their packs. Simply run your riggers belt outside of those loops and through the mount on your pack. That sprung my creative juices and I am going to try and make that happen on my eberlestock, leave the back open, add one Nalgene holder, 2 pistol mags, 2 rifle mags, HSGI blow out pouch, Knife, Pistol and a compass pouch.

My only complaint right now is colors. I wanted to change everything over to Foliage, I ordered my eberlestock pack in Military Green, thinking it would be close to foliage, it's not. The Vikings Tactic Belt isnt available in Foliage, but it is in Coyote. Either color matches the pack fine, but I'm not sure if I want to put Foliage pouches on a tan belt, or if I should just stick with Coyote pouches and deal with it.

I was actually looking at something like this for my BOB with my Condor belt. My BOB doesn't have a hip belt, its not really a large enough pack to need one, but it would be a nice addition if it's possible. Keep us posted to how this works for you, and if I get around to playing with mine today, I'll post pictures

[Big B]

For my next belt I was originally going to go with the HSGI belt, which I hear is made of pure AWESOME, but I am currently looking at the Vikings Tactics belt. http://www.skdtac.com/Viking-Tactics-Battle-Belt-VTAC-Brokos-Belt-p/vkg.510.htm The main reason why is because 5-11 said that they were running their copy as a hip belt on some of their packs. Simply run your riggers belt outside of those loops and through the mount on your pack. That sprung my creative juices and I am going to try and make that happen on my eberlestock, leave the back open, add one Nalgene holder, 2 pistol mags, 2 rifle mags, HSGI blow out pouch, Knife, Pistol and a compass pouch.

My only complaint right now is colors. I wanted to change everything over to Foliage, I ordered my eberlestock pack in Military Green, thinking it would be close to foliage, it's not. The Vikings Tactic Belt isnt available in Foliage, but it is in Coyote. Either color matches the pack fine, but I'm not sure if I want to put Foliage pouches on a tan belt, or if I should just stick with Coyote pouches and deal with it.

I really like the VTAC Brokos belt. The ones I've handled or seen in action have been very sturdy and the ability to have the rigger belt outside on some sections seems to add versitility to the belt. If I didn't already have the HSGI belt I would have a hard time picking between the two.

Have you thought about dying coyote gear green? It might be hard to get just the right shade though.....

[sigboy40]

You can get this belt, http://www.vikingtactics.com/belts_tyrbrokos.html in green, which looks like a padded version of their original belt http://www.vikingtactics.com/belts_brokos.html, which may be my solution, because at this point, it's worth $20 more to have the color I want. I'm just not sure what the other differences is between the two belts. If anybody knows please tell me. Also, scroll down past the armored belt, I really dont need that one.

[Big B]

I'm not sure what the difference is. I know the green one you're talking about isn't armored, but maybe it's capable of taking armor?

Have you tried email VTAC to ask them?

[lokifz1]

The true utility of a battle belt in a disaster, is the ability to have at hand a minimum amount of gear with you while you work keep watch etc, at your home or bol.

I have a holster, triple pistol magazine pouch, double rifle pouch, dump pouch,fixed blade knife. Its not heavy, I use it for three gun. So in a disaster I could keep a decent amount of gear on me and not have to keep a chest rig etc on.

Though in a disaster I wouldn't be at home and would be wearing my battle belt with a couple of additions or my duty belt.

If I saw someone walking around with one it would attract my attention.

[TheLastOne]

Well, pimping ain't easy but I saved up enough to buy my kit to run at Milcopp.



HSGI AO chest rig, added the shoulder pads, running it with 4 double rifle tacos

HSGI belt rig with three pistol/rifle tacos (that originally came on the AO, didn't like pistol mags on my chest), plus one single pistol taco. Still figuring out where I like the length, hence the floppy bit not tucked back in.

Bladetech DO Holster for the Sig

HSGI low pro blowout kit

Maxped rolly polly that I had around for the dump pouch.

Camelback carrier that I stuck a Source 2L into (btw, I might have to completely switch to source bladders in all my bags, that thing is nice)

Notes: Everything in multicam because why the fuck not? Also because that Ewok Atac camo wasn't available.

The holster kind of freaks me out with the barrel pointing directly into my leg, might try different mounting hardware to maybe ease up on that a bit. Everything fits good running around the house, I'll find out for sure the hard way in Missouri

Separate hydration carrier seemed the way to go; it ain't perfect but should function. I'm not running and gunning without easy hydration in MO humidity after living in Denver for 10 years. Lived in Iowa for 25 years and summers are a mofo. Didn't really see the need for a built in one though. The Bravo Co chest rig was pretty even in my mind with the HSGI, but I went this route because I could customize the HSGI pouch-wise the way I wanted. We'll see how she flies.

Taco pouches seem really tight despite me prying on them etc. Concerned that I'm going to fumble fuck just about every reload until they are broken in.

Want a knife, but not sure where to mount it. Right behind the holster (say holster is at 3, knife would be 4) doesn't seem accessible with the pistol in the holster. Also hemming and hawing over Esee 3 or 4...life is hard.

Just for fun, here's my rifle I'm bringing to class. BCM socom upper and buis, magpul plastic, spikes complete lower, vtac sling that I got set up right(I'll bring bandaids for my neck, Dave). Light is half assed, but it's what I have atm.

[omega_man]

Sweet set-up LastOne!

[AKFTW]

Hay muchos tacos! Very high speed setup you've got there sir.

[L1Z4RD]

Lastone, does the belt hook up to the chest rig? Or will you be needing a set of suspenders?