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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby praharin » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:38 am

All this cloak hate makes me want a cloak...
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:30 am

praharin wrote:All this cloak hate makes me want a cloak...

http://www.knightly.com/cloakscoatsrobes.htm
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So, I can attest to the quality of the wool weight and construction. For the money, you can't do much better than buying from him, and he does stand behind his work.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby praharin » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:30 am

Oh no, I'll be making my own. Thanks though
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Collie of Doom » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:33 pm

A pashmina type shawl is very useful. It's lightweight, compact, surprisingly warm but also doubles up as a shade from the sun. The ultimate BOB item. They typically have floral designs, though, so maybe limited to the females among us. You might be able to find one in a solid though...
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby BullOnParade » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:20 pm

Collie of Doom wrote:A pashmina type shawl is very useful. It's lightweight, compact, surprisingly warm but also doubles up as a shade from the sun. The ultimate BOB item. They typically have floral designs, though, so maybe limited to the females among us. You might be able to find one in a solid though...


When I lived with my ex, my BOB had a shemagh, hers had a pashmina. I know pashmina's can be found for $5 a piece, but often sell for 3-5 times that, so shop around. Cheapest I've seen a shemagh sell for is $10, normal being $15-20.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Collie of Doom » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:04 am

Nice. Pashminas are typically wool/silk combination. Most shemaghs I've seen are cotton, better for hot climates/summer weather, though I've read online the originals from the Middle East were a wool/cotton combo.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:25 am

Collie of Doom wrote:Nice. Pashminas are typically wool/silk combination. Most shemaghs I've seen are cotton, better for hot climates/summer weather, though I've read online the originals from the Middle East were a wool/cotton combo.


Most of the Middle East also gets buttfuck cold in the winter, and they have camels/sheep everywhere. Save for Egypt, not much cotton native here. Wool is preferred for those reasons.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:32 am

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Collie of Doom » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:56 am

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Collie of Doom wrote:Nice. Pashminas are typically wool/silk combination. Most shemaghs I've seen are cotton, better for hot climates/summer weather, though I've read online the originals from the Middle East were a wool/cotton combo.


Most of the Middle East also gets buttfuck cold in the winter, and they have camels/sheep everywhere. Save for Egypt, not much cotton native here. Wool is preferred for those reasons.


The ones for sale at the "HajjiMart" on the edge of the FOB in Iraq were always cotton. Likely made in China too. Gypped again. Then again, when I tried to argue this point with a pirated DVD merchant there, he pointed that he'd risked getting blown up to come sell me these DVDs. I took his point and the complete Star Trek Original Series on 6 DVDs.

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby praharin » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:17 am

Regular Guy wrote:Image

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:18 pm

Regular Guy wrote:Image

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Pics of Parharin in this or it didn't happen.

Well, def NOT Praharian, but:
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby jamoni » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:31 am

Technically those are robes.
Just sayin'.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby AKFTW » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:40 am

I saw a dude walking around in a cloak the other day- despite what my non-judgmental personal philosophy may say otherwise, I must admit my first reaction was a raised eyebrow :lol:
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:49 am

jamoni wrote:Technically those are robes.
Just sayin'.

Yes. Yes, they are. Freaking AWESOME robes, at that. :D
But, I couldn't let the Jedi stuff go by without me :lol:
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Domindart » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:57 am

something like this would work ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni7a6BVhYZM

there is another guy that does it wout poking a hole in the blanket but his site is down atm..
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby scurvy » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:31 pm

Ok, I rocked the 'cloak-thing' over the weekend, weather: Rain, upper 30s.

not quite a cloak, just a wool blanket folded for neck warmth, and to keep it from touching the ground, pinned in front for full cloakness, combined with a poncho since the rain was coming down.

thoughts:

pros- easy, cheap, warm, WARM, real comfortable for standing/sitting/walking around, easy access to any gear I had on my person .

cons- awkward, especially with the poncho( sharpening a stick, putting a brat on it and getting it to hover over a camp fire by anchoring it with a rock was a pain ) if it wasn't raining I could of thrown it back into 'cape-mode' but that was difficult under the poncho. Constant effort to make sure it stayed dry, the blanket was part of my bed roll so I wasn't going to allow it to get wet. If it had gotten wet I'm sure weight would of been a huge con too.

over all- if it's not raining this is gonna become a common thing for me, especially at night when activity is minimal, or first thing in the am when I'm sippin some coffee figuring out what is first on the list for the day. (kind of like a house coat I guess) The whole 'cloak-look'; I couldn't care less, I looked and felt warm.

didn't find a wizard staff, didn't sport a sherwood forest cap, no photos cause of the rain...

I give it one thumb up in the rain, two if it's just cold.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby ineffableone » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:01 pm

Why do people fear the cloak so much?

As the OP pointed out the cloak has been a functional piece of clothing for a long part of human history. What so right now in modern world it is not hip fashion so it must be looked upon in ridicule?

Look at the average business suit for a form of fashion that should be made fun of. Pockets that serve no purpose, chessy shoulder pads, collar and lapels that have little to no function, vestigial buttons that are used for nothing, and of course the suit rumples and looks poorly unless you stand perfectly still and stiff.

In a world that cheesy business suits are the hight of fashion for men, you want to look down on people for thinking about wearing a cloak in PAW? LOL :lol:

The cloak is a great idea. Let others laugh, but if you get a cloak then good for you. I have rocked the wool blanket cloak like this video and would plan to do so in PAW.


Here are some other videos about wool blanket wearing

Check out this one (bet some of ya will get a good laugh, but it would be functional)


How do you think cloaks were developed, from people wearing their blankets most likely. If your in PAW a blanket cloak will be a very common sight. People will be wearing homemade cloaks like these videos because it is easier to wear your blanket then it is to carry it.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby ineffableone » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:09 pm

Oh btw for all you haters, you might want to learn the difference between robe and cloak.

Robe has arms, and tends to be worn by being wrapped around the torso with a belt. The neck on a robe tends to be open and unclasped.

Cloak has no arms, though may have arm slits to allow arms out of it while wrapped around body. Typically a cloak is worn by a neck clasp rather than belt.

Both may or may not have hoods.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby omega_man » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:34 pm

Saying "hater" is not an intelligent response to anything, FYI. Just because some of us don't like cloaks or think there are better alternative, does not constitute hate.

And, Scurvy proved one of my main detractors from the cloak concept. If was such a wonder do-all garment, then why was he wearing a poncho over it? Because it would have sucked if it was soaked. Sure, if it was a survival scenario and that was all he had, great. But, this illustrates a previous point I made--a silnylon tarp and poncho liner would have done the exact same thing while taking up less space (I know they are 2 items, but they still take up less space) and weighing less. Or, better yet, a packable rain jacket. The cloak is capable of doing many things, just one at time.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby ninja-elbow » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:55 pm

Wooby would get wrecked pretty easy if you are near a fire. Wool blanket/cloak not so much.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby ineffableone » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:27 pm

omega_man wrote:Saying "hater" is not an intelligent response to anything, FYI. Just because some of us don't like cloaks or think there are better alternative, does not constitute hate.

And, Scurvy proved one of my main detractors from the cloak concept. If was such a wonder do-all garment, then why was he wearing a poncho over it? Because it would have sucked if it was soaked. Sure, if it was a survival scenario and that was all he had, great. But, this illustrates a previous point I made--a silnylon tarp and poncho liner would have done the exact same thing while taking up less space (I know they are 2 items, but they still take up less space) and weighing less. Or, better yet, a packable rain jacket. The cloak is capable of doing many things, just one at time.


LOL, Haters is a fine way to describe people who post pictures of robes trying to make fun of cloaks FYI. I suggest you try reading a post to understand why it is posted. If you feel it was directed to you, then maybe you feel your a hater, but I did not say that. The comment was directed at those who had trouble differentiating between a robe and cloak as it clearly expressed.

As for Scurvy proving the detractors no I don't think so considering a wool cloak would still keep him warm. It was a matter of him deciding not to get it wet for his comfort.

As others have pointed out silnylon has trouble being near fire. So since that is a detractor then do you feel it should be discarded?

I think the point for you is not how functional a cloak is, you just have a personal issue with the look of them. From the start you have made fun of them as outdated fashion. Function is not your primary concern, for you it seems to be more worry about looking silly in it.

You complain me saying "haters" is not an intelligent response when you start out in this thread with this gem of straw man intelligence

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Your main issue is the look of the cloak. So if someone doesn't mind the look what is the issue for you, why make it such a big deal? Your not wearing it, fine, but others seem to like the idea. Others have tired it and use it. I don't see why you keep trying to push others on silnylon tarps as the better alternative, since they have their own draw backs.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby jamoni » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 pm

Guys? Seriously? You're arguing about blankets.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby omega_man » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:33 am

jamoni wrote:Guys? Seriously? You're arguing about blankets.


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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:46 am

jamoni wrote:Guys? Seriously? You're arguing about blankets.


YES! In general walking around in the NAW, I'm probably not going to wear a cloak. Cloaks were once the thing because folks used to walk around everywhere with everything they owned AND making a blanket into a cloak was very easy to make and an efficient way to carry a blanket. Now, the majority of my stuff is at my home and we have modern industrialization that allows us to make lots and lots of coats.

Once we discovery coats and modern processes the cloak waned out. It's not hate, the cloak is drafty, wearing one is a good way to ruin your blanket and I'd imagine walking through the woods with one on is pretty difficult. Now, I wear a wool coat every morning to work because of the benefits of the cloak (warmth, wool) without the negatives (drafty, get caught on stuff, arms not out). Sorry, my coat is just more practical.
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