A cloak perhaps?

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Aonghus » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:58 am

Johnny Bones wrote:
OldSchool45b wrote:Do you think you are Dracula or the fucking prince of darkness? Nothing like standing out like a turd on a wedding dress. Why not get a big coat that covers your kit (minus pack) that makes you look overweight? My gortex fits over my LBE/armor and blends. I don't mean to be rude, but REALLY?

:roll: Good post sir! You truly contributed to the discussion. And for the record, not every situation the OP mentions is a, "Holy shit the apocalypse!" type of situation. Example, "hiking/camping/long walks."

On topic, I'd have to agree with Alias's posts, if a cloak is what ya want, go for it. It's not a bad idea.


Not saying, "get a cloak", but if you think a big, bulky, camo gortex jacket blends in...
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby dogbane » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:05 am

omega_man wrote:I think the main objection is that they are not some all-inclusive wonder garment.

That's a pretty high standard for a garment that nothing in my wardrobe can live up to.

As Bunni and I both pointed out, all you need is a blanket and you have a cloak. Does anyone object to having a blanket in your kit? Does anyone object to wrapping that blanket around yourself in a way that keeps you warm and allows freedom of movement?
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:45 am

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby TheLastOne » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 am

Why we all getting so pissed off about this? It's a fucking cloak. We're three pages deep in hate mail here.

Also, how about we read the op to make sure we even know what we're arguing about:

freenarative wrote:Has anyone a view on a cloak? My thoughts are that, when worn over your PLCE or carry rig it allows access to your gear in a tight situation without people seeing what your hands are doing. A sort of 'get your gear just in case'. Also you don't escalate a situation because people don't feel threatened. Its uber warm and a good one is waterproof.

So, in closing, does anyone have one? If yes, show/tell us why, If no,,,,would you consider getting one. If you saw someone wearing one what would you think? Remember this isn't an everyday wear question, it's for hiking/camping/long walks long term bug out/never coming home bags etc.


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Do I have a view on cloaks: No, I hadn't considered them, however, after this thread I think I may set fire to anyone wearing them.

Do I have one: No, but I have matches and lighters

Would I consider getting one: No, mainly because of social norms addressed earlier in the thread. There have been good posts about a cloak's potential use, but I think it would be better handled by poncho and liner (I can still get hands underneath garment as suggested by wiki quote, and would not stick out as badly).

If I saw someone wearing one, what would I think: I'm pretty sure I'd be inclined to really look them over out of curiousity. I would not immediately set fire to them or throw feces, but I might think about it.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby praharin » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:00 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDe7BFxd ... r_embedded


Mind you, the music is a little... strange. He's a Marine, what can I say.

I like this idea though, and I'm probably gonna end up with something like this sooner or later

edit: Embedding the video wouldn't work for some reason, normal link
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby freenarative » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 am

Well. it seems that most of the "no" replies say no because you'd "look out of place", And most of the "I'd get/have one" replies are because "they are useful"

So Imho I think I may get one soon because I DGAF what people think. Yes, people will think "that's weird" but NO ONE(that i can remember) has said in their replies "I'd think he looks weird AND GO UP TO HIM TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON."
Think about it; social conditioning* makes us act in a certain way. We are told "he looks weird stay away from him in case he starts throwing his shit at you" and we stay away,,, not just for that one instance but for every "he's weird" instance.
And while everyone is staying away from me (I like this idea because people piss me off) I'd be toasty warm and comfy in my outerwear.

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Finch » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:47 am

we need a "what i acctully" do for cloaks

What you see:

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what everyone else sees

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and its more than just looking "weird" you want to blend it when it counts not attract attention being weird is not going to make people scared of you (ask anyone who went to high school)
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Maverick299 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:48 am

These are on sale at Sportsmanguide right now. I can't say I will be ordering one soon, but those of you that want to look like a wandering monk through the wooded PAW, here ya go! :D

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/original-mountain-man-hooded-capote.aspx?a=585812
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby dogbane » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:52 am

Long thread on cloaks at BushcraftUSA: http://www.bushcraftusa.com/forum/showt ... c6&t=31272

regarding social acceptability, if I were walking down the street and I saw one guy in a cloak and the other dressed as a mall ninja, I'd be more concerned about the mall ninja.

Off-topic, but if you google "mall ninja", Crypto's bananahammock is on the first page. :lol:

Edit to add, in many cities, you'll see so much weird shit that you get used to it after a while. A cloak (especially worn by a woman) would hardly merit a second glance in many places.

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby TacAir » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:55 am

Bunni wrote:SNIP

So what to do with that old GI blanket around the house? Get 2 leather straps lay the blanket horizontal. Double lamb ear the top corners of the blanket. Lift the blanket and put it on your head to make a hood. Wrap the straps around the back of your neck and pull the blanket comfortably against your neck making sure the 2 lapels overlap. Roll the tips of the blanket under the first loop and tie the straps in a bow at the back. Hurray a fashionable functioning cloak with no sewing, and leaving the blanket completely in tact.
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I am geospatially challenged - I've read this again and again - still can't figure it out - any chance this shows up with a video or pics elsewhere on the web?


I wore a waist length poncho (zarape) for years - made from a USGI blanket and lined with heavy flannel - it was just the thing for around the house or when taking long automobile trips. Wrap up to sleep, use on top as blanket and so on. I think it is a seasonable garment, but then, I grew up within sight of the border with Mexico.

Finally, I noted that one of the WBO contest entry had a young lady wearing ankle length
skirt. Didn't seem to slow her down in the least.

Fun thread - with two great links and some fun instructions.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:56 am

Maverick299 wrote:These are on sale at Sportsmanguide right now. I can't say I will be ordering one soon, but those of you that want to look like a wandering monk through the wooded PAW, here ya go! :D

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/original-mountain-man-hooded-capote.aspx?a=585812


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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby the_alias » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:01 pm

Tacair - Dave has a vid on wearing a wool blanket: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSscmFKKMM
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby TheLastOne » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:32 pm

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So a Cowboy, a Jedi, and a Statue walk into a bar...


also, that capote thing looks like a bathrobe to me? (sportsmans link)

And for the record: to each their own. If you want to wear a cloak for whatever reason, be it because you think they are useful or because you just hate people, go for it. Nobody will stop you, and hell, maybe you'll start a trend or something.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby ninja-elbow » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:42 pm

As Alias linked, Dave C. has a few videos on wearing a wool blanket as a cloak and/or robe. I do this myself when out in the woods and chilling by a fire sometimes (when I bring a wool blanket).

Dogbane, shall we work together in making a "wearing your balnket" thread? Also, do you need a penacular cloak pin? I think I have a spare I can send you. Brass of course.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:57 pm

TheLastOne wrote:also, that capote thing looks like a bathrobe to me? (sportsmans link)


A fucking bad ass and warm bathrobe. And I think it's cool to cruise around in a bath room, shit, I like a house coat. Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, say I'm muthafuckin' chillin' like a boss like hanging out drinking a distilled spirit in a bathroom or house coat. Yeah, I got it like that. On a leather chair, slippers kicked up on a foot stool, layed back.

Shit.

BALLIN'.

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby AKFTW » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:32 pm

I really like the Hill People Gear Serape- looks extremely functional, like a wearable poncho liner. Combine that with a poncho and you've got a great survival sleep system. I don't see much of a reason for wool cloaks for concealment of gear, but I guess as a bushcraft item they could be pretty multi-functional, especially if waterproofed and combined with some sort of tarp/bivy. You can even make a hammock out of a wool blanket, and wool is not damaged by embers like synthetic materials are, so you can build a small fire and get close for warmth without worrying about burning holes in your gear.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby northernxposure » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Regular Guy wrote:
TheLastOne wrote:also, that capote thing looks like a bathrobe to me? (sportsmans link)


A fucking bad ass and warm bathrobe. And I think it's cool to cruise around in a bath room, shit, I like a house coat. Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, say I'm muthafuckin' chillin' like a boss like hanging out drinking a distilled spirit in a bathroom or house coat. Yeah, I got it like that. On a leather chair, slippers kicked up on a foot stool, layed back.

Shit.

BALLIN'.

8-) :lol:


Completely disagree.

This is BALLIN' -

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A robe, regardless how heavy, itchy, smelly, manly it wishes it was - is still a robe.

Bitch please.


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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby northernxposure » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:44 pm

AKFTW wrote:I really like the Hill People Gear Serape- looks extremely functional, like a wearable poncho liner. Combine that with a poncho and you've got a great survival sleep system. I don't see much of a reason for wool cloaks for concealment of gear, but I guess as a bushcraft item they could be pretty multi-functional, especially if waterproofed and combined with some sort of tarp/bivy. You can even make a hammock out of a wool blanket, and wool is not damaged by embers like synthetic materials are, so you can build a small fire and get close for warmth without worrying about burning holes in your gear.


If you visit the HPG forums, you see where Evan actually made the prototypes from surplus wool blankets, and after a fair amount of massaging and some sewing on a Kifaru woobie they came up with the Mt. Serape. If I remember correctly they had it in a few years before they moved into production with it.

My only criticism about it, I wish they would have two toned it - one side in coyote the other foliage so you could swap color for the environment without purchasing multiples.

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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Regular Guy » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:06 pm

NXP, youngster, once you're 40, robes are ballin'. :lol:
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Bunni » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:35 pm

So a common consensus I see is Poncho= Okay, Cloak=Douchebag, Ugly weird jacket=awesome. I also am to understand by reading the thread that wool=smelly heavy, and synthetic= amazing light better in every way. So lets look at these view points from a purely empirical scientific synopsis and minor humor. Staring with materials.

Wool fleece:
Pro- High fire resistance, thermal retentive, exposure to water does not reduce heat retention, Stretches, tear resistant, machine and hand washable, mildew resistant, water resistant, wind resistant.
Con- 2x as heavy as synthetics, retains water during prolonged exposure.

Synthetic Fleece:
Pro-High heat retention value, exposure to water does not reduce heat retention, Light weight, machine and hand washable.
Con- Flammable, melts at temperatures as low as 180 degrees, retains liquid, once damaged it does not retain heat well, not mildew resistant, gets dirty easily and retains odors.

Nylon:
Pro-Mildew resistant, tear resistant, light weight, wind resistant, water resistant, does not retain liquids
Con- flammable, Does not retain heat well, the weave structure once torn spreads quickly.

Cotton:
Pro- Absorbs liquid, breathable material, Aids in evaporation, slightly fire resistant
Con- Does not retain heat, absorbs and retains liquids, highly susceptible to mildew and odor

Polyester:
Pro- highly water resistant, non breathable material, does not retain water, odor resistant, tear resistant
Con- Flammable, heat reactive (structure or shape is altered by a heat source),

Polyvinyl Chloride:
Pro-Waterproof, Wind proof, Non breathable, Reflects heat
Con-Heat reactive, flammable, easily torn, cold reactive (becomes brittle and cracks).

Now for different Cover-alls:

Duster- A duster, originated as a storm jacket for sailors. They were often made out of sail cloth or oilskin (Two high fiber cotton textiles) and coated in wax. They are somewhat heavy. The Duster actually refers to the removable shoulder cover that circles the neck for extra waterproofing on the shoulders, where the seams of the jacket often leak. It covers all body mounted equipment, but is cumbersome when fully buttoned. To access your gear you have to open the coat. When wearing a duster be prepared to receive insults alluding to: sailors, cowboys, columbine, Dracula, Emos, I know what you did last summer, and pirates.

Pancho- Its a rectangular cloth with a hole cut out in the middle. It originated mainly in Mexico with the indigenous tribes, but there are lesser roots in Spain and Portugal. Aztec and Mayan Priests wore Ponchos as ceremonial garb. Originally ponchos did not have hoods, that was popularized in the western rain poncho made from a combination of polostyrine, pvc and polyethaline. A poncho conceals the front of your body, but not the side without closures. This allows for access to your body mounted gear, but you have to move reach around your poncho to bring the gear to a viable usage point. Be prepared to be referred to as: Tourist, Dumb American, Disney World survivor, boy scout, poncho via, Mexican cowboy.

Robe- Robes were not originally an indoor only clothing item. They were used to cover the fine clothing and to aid in warmth. Kings, Clerics, Artisans and nobility through out Europe and Asia commonly wore robes and in some cases (Roman and orthodox Catholicism, English and American judges ) still do. The idea of a robe as vestments or an instant uniform makes changing roles easy. The Trench coat and overcoat for all practical arguments originates from the robe. To access gear you have to reach inside the robe. You will probably be called: Lazy, a slob, Archemage, or they simply won't talk to you for fear of being seen around you.

Snuggy- Its a backwards robe. Its stupid. You could put on a normal robe backwards and have the same thing. The only thing you can do in a snuggy you cant do in a robe is poop without lifting anything. You will be called: Stupid and Lame.

Cloak- As stated before was originally used to keep dirt and debris off of your clothes and your hair in urbanized environments, or while on the road. They were used in bad weather as well to keep warm or dry, but they were mainly used to stay clean. Cheap cloth cloaks were used in warm weather to keep the sun off, while wool cloaks were used in the winter like modern jackets. A cloak has a hood and loosely enshrouds the entire body when closed. All gear body mounted is accessible to you while closed. To bring the gear to a usable position one simply raises their hand through the front of the cloak. Be prepared to be called: Gandolf, Hobbit, Rennie, Assassin or Nerd

Cape- They are originally ceremonial vestments draped on the shoulders such as the Family coat of arms, High rank in a military, or as a sign of station. Capes were most often pinned to other vestments not tied around the neck. Superheros often toat capes for the same reasons the authors and animators historically derived. It is a symbol of status and it states Identity. Capes do not have hoods, and do not cover the front of the body further than the arms. Cape wearers are often called: superman, knights,or comic nerds.

Blanket- Its a blanket draped around your body. It is usually held closed by your hands. People will call you: Homeless.

So basically if you don't cover up all your nifty gear, then that is your problem. People fear what they don't know or can not see. You do make yourself less of a target by the simple fact, you are less identifiable. They see less of you, your movements and your gear. Police will never let you put your hands in your pockets while they are interrogating you. Why? They don't know whats in your pockets and they can't see your hands, so there is danger. Extend that principle to the entire body and there is a definite anxiety in the confrontation.

Now if you are honestly willing to tell that you would chase a person at night wearing a black cloak that you can give no other description of down a dark alley into the woods, because they don't threaten you and you want to light wool on fire, then I must call you bad names mostly centering around an underdeveloped central nervous system.

Personally I like to drape a duster over my shoulders and only do the top snap like sailors often did when in town circa 1750's-20th century. Revealing clothing is a new concept in the history of homo sapiens, because society in general has become overly suspicious and gregarious.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:51 pm

It's been driving me crazy, I have to say it- you wear a PONCHO, not a pancho. That is all.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby jamoni » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:07 pm

I'll make two suggestions. Edit your work to be concise. Only use words you can spell and define.
In other words, TLDR, spellcheck is your friend.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:13 pm

To clarify a bit, because the pro-cloak side seems a bit slanted.

I object to wearing a cloak where I will be seen in it. If you want to obscure your gear, try a USGI poncho, the old school ones that were cut to be worn as a poncho, not the tarp that every calls a poncho. It's camo, keeps the rain off, keeps your shiny armor clean (if you're worried about that sort of thing, blocks the wind, looks normal in most AOs, and makes you look like you're hiking. It can be set up as shelter when you aren't wearing it, and packs down small enough to go into a cargo pocket with ease. (any Marine who went to boot camp between 1980 and now can confirm this)

Dogbane, I don't have the advantage (?) of living in a city where folks would ignore a serape/cloak/woven poncho worn in the city. Hell, I don't even live in a city, but wearing a cloak would probably get me stopped by the cops.

Bunni wrote:So a common consensus I see is Ponch= Okay, Clock=Douchebag, Ugly weird jacket=awsome. I also am to understand by common thought groups that wool=smelly heavy, and synthetic= amazing light better in every way.


Not quite. Wool has its place, but not as outerwear. Synthetics aren't necessarily amazingly light and better in every way either. Also, do us a favor and spellcheck before posting.

Now finally: if it's bloody feckin' cold out for some ungodly reason, and I'm not already is my nice warm sleeping gear already, you will see my wrap my nice, warm wool blanket around myself if and only if: it's not raining, my normal gear is for some reason outclassed (read: it dropped below -20 for the first time ever in FL) That's about the only time you're going to see my wearing anything (aside from a USGI poncho maybe, since by the mighty wikipedia's definition it's actually a cloak) that resembles a cloak. And if it gets wet, you will be the first in line to hear my bitch like a pregnant basset about how bad it smells and how long it takes to dry.
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Re: A cloak perhaps?

Postby northernxposure » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:35 pm

Regular Guy wrote:NXP, youngster, once you're 40, robes are ballin'. :lol:


I see what you did there, and it was win, sir - :lol:

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