DONT USE A POLICE BATON

[Hollis]

Her boss has told her, "I think you should carry a weapon at this job, I do, but for legal reasons I can't know about it." Or something along those lines. He wears slacks and you can pretty easily tell he has a handgun strapped to his ankle if you bother to look. That said, it's gotta be a concealed weapon, thank god this state is cool with concealed weapons.

Nothing like having a cool boss and state that does not think their citizens are criminals.

[KnightoftheRoc]

Her boss has told her, "I think you should carry a weapon at this job, I do, but for legal reasons I can't know about it."

A hand grenade?

Two of them- tied together with 550 cord for an explosive bolo! WIN!
I'm not gonna go into how a woman could conceal this, tho, because my fiance sometimes reads over my shoulder, and I like living.

[KnightoftheRoc]

Oh- and, don't use a police baton to whittle tiny decorative figures in exotic hardwoods.

Had to get back on topic...

[Biggin]

....to ban someone from IRC.


(maybe that would be a GOOD use of a police baton?)

[squinty]

....to ban someone from IRC.


(maybe that would be a GOOD use of a police baton?)

Who you got in mind?
(PM?)

[badasp118]

I know i am getting in this late, but i will say that police batons are deadly. U I can say this with the utmost confidence as i almost killed a guy with mine (asp) on patrol one night. A blow to the upper arm missed and hit him in the side of the head below the ear. It was very bad. Granted he was doing his best to give me a extra belly button with a cheap chineese piece of shit knife, but still he folded like a sack of you know what. I have also broken bones with the pr24 over the years. Not intentionally, but it happens. So i would say that while it wouldnt be my first choice, it would work....

[Hollis]

I know i am getting in this late, but i will say that police batons are deadly. U I can say this with the utmost confidence as i almost killed a guy with mine (asp) on patrol one night. A blow to the upper arm missed and hit him in the side of the head below the ear. It was very bad. Granted he was doing his best to give me a extra belly button with a cheap chineese piece of shit knife, but still he folded like a sack of you know what. I have also broken bones with the pr24 over the years. Not intentionally, but it happens. So i would say that while it wouldnt be my first choice, it would work....

There is no truly less than lethal weapon. Given a mistake, the wrong person, or other externalities the worse thing can happen. I am glad the "force" was with you and the incident did not go South.

[squinty]

DON'T USE A POLICE BATON...
-to do a man's job
-for non-violent conflict resolution
-as a corndog stick (too big around)
-as a rolling pin (handle get's in the way)
-as a bacon press
-in a halftime show
-as a pogo stick
-as a pretend lightsaber. Someone will see you waving it around making "wooob..woob.." noises and speaking in Darth Vader voice, and you'll get embarrassed. Again.

[willo]

There was a time when carrying a firearm wasn't an option to me (for personal reasons) and I bought a spring loaded collapsible metal baton, which jammed tight on opening so it took some doing to collapse it again. It wasn't all that heavy but I saw in Col. Fairbairn's book "Get Tough" where one could do some really nasty damage to an assailant using a short, smallish stick.

[aus.templar]

All jokes aside, I'm working on getting my security licence for a bit of extra cash and I'll be shelling out the few more dollars to get baton-qualified so I can own and carry on the job. There might also be a spot on my zombie-rig for an asp holder.

[foxx]

After my dog was attacked by two Pitbulls, I got a 31" stainless ASP baton. My baton is pretty heavy, and I've added a mushroom buttcap. I mounted in to my bike frame, and so the next time those two came after my dog, I let them have it.
The first time I was unarmed, and the owner was hardly any help to stop the fight. The next time they attacked, 6 months later, I gave the larger male a courtesy "tap" to see if that worked, nope. So, I gave him a full hit to his head, with the edge of the mushroom cap. All the force was concentrated in a small spot. He ducked down and ran home with his tail tucked. He may have suffered a brain injury, I didn't ask.
In the incident above, I was too close to expand the baton, so all it's weight was in the handle. Up close, it would be more lethal like that. Once expanded, the tip weight is the lightest ppiece of the three tubes. The reach, and tip speed, is why they are effective against animals' bodies, yet non lethal. Especially if the blow is spread out, vs concentrated like the mushroom's edge. Just my $.02

[badasp118]

During my 20 year career i found out exactly what u did, a closed asp is as good as a open one for close in fighting. I have killed several animals with it as well (expanded) after they had been hit by cars. One was a large deer. One good blow did the trick. But what it excells at is as a back scratcher! Lol..... it also good for pushin up celieng tiles, and moving things that are to disgusting to touch! But as i said its a damn good back scratcher, and when ur fighting zeds, and ur back itches, you will wish u listened to me and got one!

[strm_trpr]

During my 20 year career i found out exactly what u did, a closed asp is as good as a open one for close in fighting. I have killed several animals with it as well (expanded) after they had been hit by cars. One was a large deer. One good blow did the trick. But what it excells at is as a back scratcher! Lol..... it also good for pushin up celieng tiles, and moving things that are to disgusting to touch! But as i said its a damn good back scratcher, and when ur fighting zeds, and ur back itches, you will wish u listened to me and got one!

Truth!! It is also good when your keys fall between the seat and the console

[DeadCanadian]

The OP is amazingly correct! I resisted the thought, but then I decided to test out the idea.

I laid out all my batons on the floor and not one of them got up and killed anything. Amazing but true, police batons don't kill Zombies, people kill Zombies.

[mzmadmike]

[squinty]

The OP is amazingly correct! I resisted the thought, but then I decided to test out the idea.

I laid out all my batons on the floor and not one of them got up and killed anything. Amazing but true, police batons don't kill Zombies, people kill Zombies.

You reckless bastard! What if they'd overwhelmed you and escaped! We could all have ended up Kerriganed thanks to you!

[Bunni]

So The coconut debate is so wide whether it is or is not a good reference for a human skull that I decided my criteria for blunt force trauma to the skull was gauged with a Brick. A good old fashioned red brick is so much harder than any surface in the human body including the skull. When the Button on the ASP impacts a red brick at full swing I normally break the brick. When a PR24 is used it sometimes breaks the brick. When a half metal PR24 expandable control device is used, the metal end almost always breaks the brick. The fiberglass poly-carbonate end rarely does. It usually chips it at most. Is a small metal weight or metal cap is added to the tip of the PR24, then it shatters bricks. It can also no longer be carried as a duty weapon.

I am certified in both ASP and Monadnock expandable baton and in the Monadnock PR-24 and PR-24 Expandable control device (silly that they make it a different certification). The weapons work. That is why police carry them. No where in the literature for certification does it say these weapons are less lethal. They are specifically called "Forgiving Weapons" as in if used as trained, the intended purpose is less lethal. If death is caused by proper use of techniques, than the highest allotted charge is negligent homicide.

BTW The Double Agent I is my duty knife. Its the Karambit version. I used to carry it under my vest, but I moved it to the belt mounted horizontally under the OC and Handcuffing pouches. Deploy the knife when they are too close to keep at bay with the baton, or if they go for your gun.

[Bulados2]

BullOnParade wrote:
Thank god this thread didn't stay serious for long ...

I've always considered knives to be a dangerous self defense tool for one to carry, due to the higher risk of the weapon being taken from the victim, and used against them. I've also been told many times, if you're in a knife fight, you're going to get cut, win or lose. Best case, most of those cuts will need stitches.

Just bring a gun on fights.. you don't have to stay close to the assailant in that case..





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[BullOnParade]

BullOnParade wrote:
Thank god this thread didn't stay serious for long ...

I've always considered knives to be a dangerous self defense tool for one to carry, due to the higher risk of the weapon being taken from the victim, and used against them. I've also been told many times, if you're in a knife fight, you're going to get cut, win or lose. Best case, most of those cuts will need stitches.

Just bring a gun on fights.. you don't have to stay close to the assailant in that case..

Welcome to the forums, be sure to go by the introductions page and say hello.

We can't all carry firearms, nor can we all carry firearms all the time. While firearms are the pointy bit of the self defense pyramid, they're not the only solution.

[squinty]

IDK...I'm not a big fan of any hand to hand style self defense weapons. The knife I carry is pretty big, and the flashlight I carry could be used as a striking device, but that's not the primary purpose of either.

Nice thing about a light, 12 - 18 " swung impact weapon, it can theoretically be used to some effect against an armed attackers hands and softer bits, while still letting you keep some distance. Theoretically. IDK about actual application. Nice thing about a knife, on the other hand, it doesn't need a lot of room, doesn't have to be swung. The only legit self defense application I could imagine for a small blade would be to cut your way out of a larger, stronger opponent's grasp. At grapply ranges, a sticker would beat a club. Notice when I said "cut your way out" - the weapon would be used to obtain a momentary egress, by injuring an opponent's extremity or inducing them to back off. Then you flee as fast and far as possible.

[squinty]

You know what? Screw it. Who are we to tell anyone what to use? Go ahead and use a police baton if you wanna.

[Bunni]

You know what? Screw it. Who are we to tell anyone what to use? Go ahead and use a police baton if you wanna.

Brilliance. Thumbs up.

[BullOnParade]

On that note, don't use a police baton to make a sammich, or make someone make a sammich.

[squinty]

On that note, don't use a police baton to make a sammich, or make someone make a sammich.

But what if you want to make a police baton sammich?