DUMBEST F*&@king thing you've ever heard NOT ON THE ZS FORUM

[Czechnology]

I went into a Grateful Bread Company across the street from my house, open carrying. Everyone was nice and polite, made cheerful small talk, the waitress commented on my bay rum cologne but nobody mentioned the firearm at all or even seemed to notice it. I ate a baguette and some kind of saffron squash soup, paid, tipped and left. Heard the door lock behind me as soon as I was outside, and when I went back the next day there was a "no weapons" sign posted on the door at eye level.

Pull a shirt over it next time?

[tonytwotimes]

I had a customer come into my store open carrying a judge.

[squinty]

I went into a Grateful Bread Company across the street from my house, open carrying. Everyone was nice and polite, made cheerful small talk, the waitress commented on my bay rum cologne but nobody mentioned the firearm at all or even seemed to notice it. I ate a baguette and some kind of saffron squash soup, paid, tipped and left. Heard the door lock behind me as soon as I was outside, and when I went back the next day there was a "no weapons" sign posted on the door at eye level.

Pull a shirt over it next time?

Hot day, I was just rocking a thin cotton t-shirt. Won't be a next time, 'cause it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons, and even if it were legal I'd still respect their wishes.

[JTNieman]

I went into a Grateful Bread Company across the street from my house, open carrying. Everyone was nice and polite, made cheerful small talk, the waitress commented on my bay rum cologne but nobody mentioned the firearm at all or even seemed to notice it. I ate a baguette and some kind of saffron squash soup, paid, tipped and left. Heard the door lock behind me as soon as I was outside, and when I went back the next day there was a "no weapons" sign posted on the door at eye level.

Pull a shirt over it next time?

Hot day, I was just rocking a thin cotton t-shirt. Won't be a next time, 'cause it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons, and even if it were legal I'd still respect their wishes.

"sorry, didn't see the sign. I'll be on my way then." is usually the result

Of course your posts kind of negate that...

[Gun_Nut_2k1]

When I was a youth and working at a Gas Station Mini Mart, a little old lady ran up and said to call the cops. Of Course I am thinking someone is being beating or stealing something. As I am dialing I asked her what was wrong. She leans in and very quietly says "That man has a gun" as she points to a respectable looking man at the back of the store. I hang up and start laughing as the gun wielding maniac comes to the counter with his arms full of drinks. Turns out the lady was from back east and equated guns with crime. Fools every where I say!

[squinty]

I went into a Grateful Bread Company across the street from my house, open carrying. Everyone was nice and polite, made cheerful small talk, the waitress commented on my bay rum cologne but nobody mentioned the firearm at all or even seemed to notice it. I ate a baguette and some kind of saffron squash soup, paid, tipped and left. Heard the door lock behind me as soon as I was outside, and when I went back the next day there was a "no weapons" sign posted on the door at eye level.

Pull a shirt over it next time?

Hot day, I was just rocking a thin cotton t-shirt. Won't be a next time, 'cause it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons, and even if it were legal I'd still respect their wishes.

"sorry, didn't see the sign. I'll be on my way then." is usually the result

Of course your posts kind of negate that...

To clarify: there was no sign the day I went in. It was new. That's why sad face. The sign was a reaction to my OCing in their joint. Not what I was hoping to accomplish.
(dang hippies...)

[xLionx]

A guy told me he only carries revolvers because all you have to do is hold the slide and an auto can't fire . . . derpa derpa

[AKFTW]

I went into a Grateful Bread Company across the street from my house, open carrying. Everyone was nice and polite, made cheerful small talk, the waitress commented on my bay rum cologne but nobody mentioned the firearm at all or even seemed to notice it. I ate a baguette and some kind of saffron squash soup, paid, tipped and left. Heard the door lock behind me as soon as I was outside, and when I went back the next day there was a "no weapons" sign posted on the door at eye level.

Haha more like UNGrateful (of your patronage) Bread Company

[Confucius]

A guy told me he only carries revolvers because all you have to do is hold the slide and an auto can't fire . . . derpa derpa

Yeah, I hear a lot of stuff about how much simpler revolvers are than autos. Of course I hear this from people that have never looked at the guts of either...


Just because something is older and makes more intuitive sense to you doesn't actually make it simpler. There's a lot of stuff that goes into turning that cylinder and cocking that hammer...

[xLionx]

A guy told me he only carries revolvers because all you have to do is hold the slide and an auto can't fire . . . derpa derpa

Yeah, I hear a lot of stuff about how much simpler revolvers are than autos. Of course I hear this from people that have never looked at the guts of either...


Just because something is older and makes more intuitive sense to you doesn't actually make it simpler. There's a lot of stuff that goes into turning that cylinder and cocking that hammer...

Not to mention that if its DA and someone grabs the cylinder, you can't cock the hammer ...

[Gun_Nut_2k1]

A guy told me he only carries revolvers because all you have to do is hold the slide and an auto can't fire . . . derpa derpa

This is partially true. If you push the slide back a quarter inch or so, most semi autos disconnect.

Most revolvers are simpler in the sense that it relies on manual manipulation of the trigger to fire the next round. A Pistol requires the firearm to do multiple complex functions to get your next round ready. The user has little control of the reloading process. Revolvers also tend to have fewer parts that autos. Just take apart a 1911. Now Blocks do come close and even beats some revolvers for the fewest parts award but in general autos are more complex.

[cauldron]

I think there are about 50 parts in a 1911, and about 80 in a S&W mod. 19...

On topic...

"You just need a bobby pin to make a SKS full auto."

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

I think there are about 50 parts in a 1911, and about 80 in a S&W mod. 19...

On topic...

"You just need a bobby pin to make a SKS full auto."

Along those same lines, I used to go to the range with a guy who upon seeing my SKS once said, "If you really wanted to, all you'd need to do to make it full auto would be a bobby pin for the trigger and file down the sear a bit. I've got a book on how to do it, if you want to borrow it."

Needless to say, I no longer go to the range with that guy since he said that and since he's a walking BATFE violation.

[Czechnology]

it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons

Where do you live?

[TDW586]

it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons

Where do you live?

I think he's in PA, but that's the case here in NC too. As far as I know, that's the case everywhere; owners of private property have a right to ask you to leave if you don't follow their rules, so at the very least they would be allowed to do so and have you charged with trespassing if you refuse.

[Czechnology]

it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons

Where do you live?

I think he's in PA, but that's the case here in NC too. As far as I know, that's the case everywhere; owners of private property have a right to ask you to leave if you don't follow their rules, so at the very least they would be allowed to do so and have you charged with trespassing if you refuse.

Yes, of course, but the simple act of carrying on private property when they do not allow it is not itself illegal. Refusing to leave when they ask for ANY reason is trespassing and thus illegal, guns have nothing to do with that. Company Policies=/laws.

ETA: To clarify, so nobody finds a way to get huffy about this: Violating a policy enacted by a private property owner is not itself against the law. Carrying in a business that has a clearly posted sign barring said activity is not a violation of any city/state/county/local/federal law. Similarly you cannot be arrested for walking into a K-Mart without shoes or a shirt on, nor is ignoring a stop/parking sign on someone's driveway. You will merely be asked to leave. Ignoring that request IS illegal and will get you charged with Trespassing.

[TDW586]

Yes, of course, but the simple act of carrying on private property when they do not allow it is not itself illegal. Refusing to leave when they ask for ANY reason is trespassing and thus illegal, guns have nothing to do with that. Company Policies=/laws.

ETA: To clarify, so nobody finds a way to get huffy about this: Violating a policy enacted by a private property owner is not itself against the law. Carrying in a business that has a clearly posted sign barring said activity is not a violation of any city/state/county/local/federal law. Similarly you cannot be arrested for walking into a K-Mart without shoes or a shirt on, nor is ignoring a stop/parking sign on someone's driveway. You will merely be asked to leave. Ignoring that request IS illegal and will get you charged with Trespassing.

Right right, I'm tracking what you're saying. Yes, in some locations that is the case. In my state (and I would assume others) it is actually illegal to carry where signs are posted prohibiting it. NC GS 14‑415.11, which states:

The sheriff shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to a person who qualifies for a permit under G.S. 14‑415.12. The permit shall be valid throughout the State for a period of five years from the date of issuance.
(c) Except as provided in G.S. 14‑415.27, a permit does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
(1) Areas prohibited by G.S. 14‑269.2, 14‑269.3, and 14‑277.2.
(2) Areas prohibited by G.S. 14‑269.4, except as allowed under G.S. 14‑269.4(6).
(3) In an area prohibited by rule adopted under G.S. 120‑32.1.
(4) In any area prohibited by 18 U.S.C. § 922 or any other federal law.
(5) In a law enforcement or correctional facility.
(6) In a building housing only State or federal offices.
(7) In an office of the State or federal government that is not located in a building exclusively occupied by the State or federal government.
(8) On any private premises where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises.

Violation of the terms of this statute would constitute a misdemeanor:

§ 14‑415.21. Violations of this Article punishable as an infraction.
(a) A person who has been issued a valid permit who is found to be carrying a concealed handgun without the permit in the person's possession or who fails to disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun, as required by G.S. 14‑415.11, shall be guilty of an infraction and shall be punished in accordance with G.S. 14‑3.1. In lieu of paying a fine the person may surrender the permit.
(b) A person who violates the provisions of this Article other than as set forth in subsection (a) of this section is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. (1995, c. 398, s. 1; 2011‑268, s. 21(a).)

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Statutes ... apter=0014

[Czechnology]

Okay! Clearly I'm wrong and should have applied that to my experience and not everyone. Thanks for the clarification/correction.

States be crazy!

ETA: Clearly I've gone native in a state where there are only a few specific courthouses where you're legally barred from carrying, and public schools are wide open, as is drinking (but not being intoxicated)while carrying.

[JTNieman]

it's illegal to carry concealed in a place marked no weapons

Where do you live?

I think he's in PA, but that's the case here in NC too. As far as I know, that's the case everywhere; owners of private property have a right to ask you to leave if you don't follow their rules, so at the very least they would be allowed to do so and have you charged with trespassing if you refuse.

Yes, of course, but the simple act of carrying on private property when they do not allow it is not itself illegal. Refusing to leave when they ask for ANY reason is trespassing and thus illegal, guns have nothing to do with that. Company Policies=/laws.

ETA: To clarify, so nobody finds a way to get huffy about this: Violating a policy enacted by a private property owner is not itself against the law. Carrying in a business that has a clearly posted sign barring said activity is not a violation of any city/state/county/local/federal law. Similarly you cannot be arrested for walking into a K-Mart without shoes or a shirt on, nor is ignoring a stop/parking sign on someone's driveway. You will merely be asked to leave. Ignoring that request IS illegal and will get you charged with Trespassing.

Thanks. I was nervous about posting what I did, and tried to make it neutral and safe, but that's basically what I was trying to say.

[SeerSavant]

Personally, If I noticed a sign popping up that forbade guns I would probably approach the management and ask why they no longer wanted my patronage or my money?

I would also inform them (respectfully, and with no anger, as it would do no good) that, especially in the case of an eatery or some similar high traffic area, that a great many gun owners pay attention to these things, and they are kinda cutting their own profits... (in Virginia, the open carry movement is quite large, but still dwarfed by concealed carry... In a very real way, it's a gun state.)

I might even ask them to look up statistically speaking the odds of a ban on firearms decreasing crime in any way...

I've seen examples of a polite inquiry into local businesses have them reverse the decision, or in the case of chains (Barnes and Noble is an example, most hardware stores and grocery chains as well) where corporate has a strict "abide by the state laws" policy... So for the most part, a chain posting a sign is a manager overstepping his/her bounds, and a few phone calls can reverse that as well...

If it's no go, tell em, your sorry that they feel this way, and that you will no longer shop there...






OH.... IF any business confronts you while your carrying, please don't make any reference to any signage posted... Chances are, that will just prompt them to post a sign the first chance they get...
Be polite, be respectfull, and if it doesn't work... Be somewhere else...

[JTNieman]

Personally, If I noticed a sign popping up that forbade guns I would probably approach the management and ask why they no longer wanted my patronage or my money?

Unless it's some place I frequent often, and am on friendly terms with owner/employees, that kinda violates my personal "concealed means concealed" ethos. A letter or phone call would work though.

[yossarian]

Someone I know personally tried the whole "I noticed your sign" approach. Apparently he was misunderstood and ended up face down on the sidewalk a few minutes later when the local PD responded to the clerk's 911 call. The whole thing was poorly thought out and went from bad to worse but its enough to make side with JC. A phone call or polite letter seems to be a better idea.

[Czechnology]

Yeah, I'm with Yos and JC. I won't walk up to someone and disagree with them while simultaneously alerting them to the fact that I'm armed in a place that specifically forbids it. (particularly in North Carolina!)

[SeerSavant]

However anyone approaches the management, the important thing is to convey that this isn't a small thing, that they are in effect telling people to go away...

Every place is different... But the tone should always be respectful and polite...


A lot of times, it's simply ignorance that places the sign on the door... I think it's better to let the powers that be (however you think best at the time) your concerns...

It shouldn't be a gun issue, it should be a customer service issue...




Edit; sorry about the derail... Just in case, Dumbest... can both point to the people who put up the sign, and those who either ignore it, or assume that it's another antigun deal... Which it may not be...