So I want to transmit for the very first time...

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So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby Redshirt » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:20 am

Ok, so I've got this radio thingy and I want to transmit on a repeater for the very first time...

Well let me find something close by.

I've isolated one local repeater I hear traffic on nice and clear... (there are several, I'm running with this one for an example...)

http://www.repeaterbook.com/repeaters/d ... =53&ID=281

Ok, so that link tells me this about the repeater:

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Frequency:    145.390- minus
PL:    100.0
PL In/Out:    100.0 / 100.0
Location:    
Spokane, Krell Hill
County:    Spokane
State:    Washington
Call:    W7UPS
Use:    OPEN
Op Status:    ON-AIR On-Air
Coverage:    Wide area.
Sponsor:    
Features:    
EchoLink:    130935 KB7ZEN-L
   ON - IDLE
Commands:    
Notes:    Wide area coverage on PL 100.0. Local area coverage for Echolink preferred on 127.3.
Nets:    
Web links:    w7ups.com, KB7ZEN
Coordination:    IACC


Now let me look at the website listed there: w7ups.com.

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EchoLink Node:     195958
IRLP Node:     3223
On The W7UPS Repeater 145.390 / PL 103.5


Some googling tells me that PL and CTCSS are the same thing. The website PL will probably be the more accurate one, so I program the code 103.5 into my handset. I'm assuming both decode and encode?

There is a minus next to the frequency, I'm assuming that means the offset channel is lower, and according to this handy dandy chart, I should be using a 600khz offset.

Does this look like I've set up everything I need to hit the TX button?

(in case you have not gathered, I'm really really new at this.)
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby williaty » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:51 am

First, congratulations on getting this far!

OK, yes, I would assume that the PL tone listed on the website is more likely to be up-to-date than the one in the repeater directory. If the one in the website doesn't work, try the one in the repeater directory. You appear to have all the data you need to be able to set the radio up right for using that repeater. Here's how you check:

Case 1- You can hear a lot of people talking but it doesn't sound like there's one guy running the show (during a net, one guy runs the show and tells people when it's their time to talk)
1) Wait for a break in the conversation. If the guys using the repeater are good operators, you'll hear the courtesy beep after their transmission followed by several seconds of silence, then a burst of static before the next guy starts talking. The several seconds of silence are the repeater tail-off. During that time, you should see that the receive meter on your radio is still pegged, indicating that you are receiving silence from the repeater (as opposed to a lack of any signal at all). The burst of static is the delay between the repeater turning off (tailing off) and the squelch on your radio closing. It is good operating procedure to leave the tail off "open" for exactly what you're about to do.
2) Hear the courtesy beep and then immediately say your call sign, nothing else.
3) Wait.
4) The guy who's "turn" it is next will do one of two things. Either he'll immediately go "Hello *your_call*, this is *his_call*. How are you?. Alternately, he may say whatever he was going to say to the other guy who was already there before acknowledging you. He will basically indicate it's your turn to talk one way or the other.
5) You say something to the effect of "This is *your_call*. This is my first time transmitting, are there any problems with my audio? I didn't catch who else was in this conversation, so back to *his_call*". The idea is to a) give your call since you're required to on your first transmission, last transmission, and once every 10 minutes in between b) indicate you're trying to confirm you're doing things right and not having technical difficulties, and c) make sure you pick someone to talk next. If you've noticed the conversation is going in a circle and you actually do know who goes next, AWESOME, turn it over to them. If you couldn't figure it out, send it back to the guy who acknowledged you.
6) If you want, hang out and talk to practice things like using the mic properly, etc.
7) When you're done, tell the guys you're leaving, say your call, and (usually) indicate what you're doing next. For example "clear and listening" would mean you're done talking but will continue to listen to the radio. "Clean and out" means you're done and won't be listening to the radio anymore.



Case 2- You can hear people talking but it sounds like there's one guy running the show (this is probably a net)
1) You will need to "check-in" to the net. There's generally a mass check-in period at the beginning of the net and then the net control will ask for additional check-ins every few minutes.
2) When the net control asks for additional check ins, say your call sign and wait.
3) The net control will usually let 3-5 people say their call and then will repeat the calls back to make sure he heard everyone.
4) If he does not repeat your call, he will eventually say "OK, is there anyone else who wants to check in?". At that point, say your call again. The most likely reason for the net control to miss your attempt to check in is that you "doubled" with someone else. This means you and someone else transmitted at the same time and the repeater only listened to whichever of you was stronger.
5) The net control will acknowledge you and put your name on the bottom of the list. They might also ask for things like your first name and location.
6) Wait for the net control to tell you it's your turn.
7) Say something like "This is *your_call*. This is my first time transmitting. How's my audio? Back to net control."
8) Wait for net control to tell you if your audio is ok or not. If it's not, they'll usually suggest how to fix it (9 times out of 10, this is get your mouth closer to the mic and stop shouting).
9) Then discuss whatever the topic of the day is.
10) Finish with "This is *your_call* back to net control"

Case 3- You really don't hear much of anything
1) Listen a minute or so to confirm you're not interrupting something
2) Key the mic and say "This is *your_call* for any station. Can any station give me an audio report?"
3) You should actually hear your own courtesy beep and then the repeater tail off. Failure to get a repeater tail off indicates you have a technical problem.
4) Hopefully, someone goes "*your_call* this is *their_call* your audio is clear. How are you doing today, I don't think I've heard you before."
5) Talk for a bit for the practice.
6) Finish the conversation with "*their_call* from *your_call*, have a nice day, clear and listening" or something similar.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby Redshirt » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:12 am

Ok, well I got case 3 at the moment. AFter a minute or so I saw the green receive light turn on for a moment, but I heard nothing. I also didn't get a beep, so I think I have a glitch... silly question, do the echolink settings mean there might be a possibility to hear myself online from my computer? (not familiar with EL at all, just curious if that might be an option.)

EDIT:Ok, looks like I set the PL for encode and decode. I'm assuming encode only makes sense considering I heard traffic on before without issue?
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby williaty » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:43 am

Redshirt wrote:Ok, well I got case 3 at the moment. AFter a minute or so I saw the green receive light turn on for a moment, but I heard nothing. I also didn't get a beep, so I think I have a glitch... silly question, do the echolink settings mean there might be a possibility to hear myself online from my computer? (not familiar with EL at all, just curious if that might be an option.)

EDIT:Ok, looks like I set the PL for encode and decode. I'm assuming encode only makes sense considering I heard traffic on before without issue?

Yeah, both IRLP and Echolink can be routed over a computer if the node is set up that way. That's about all I know about that.

So, you key up the mic, say you call, let go of the mic button, and you don't see the RX meter on your radio stay pegged for a moment?
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby williaty » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:44 am

Try turning off the PL Decode. If they're not rebroadcasting the PL (some do, some don't), then that would screw it up.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby Redshirt » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:53 am

So I just realized something very important.

I live in a straw bale house. My walls are 20 inches thick with 2 inches of concrete on either side.

My tiny radio, can it push through that with 5 watts? (pretty sure I know the answer :oops:)
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby williaty » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:57 am

Redshirt wrote:So I just realized something very important.

I live in a straw bale house. My walls are 20 inches thick with 2 inches of concrete on either side.

My tiny radio, can it push through that with 5 watts? (pretty sure I know the answer :oops:)

That's a good question. Straw bales aren't that RF dense so I'd think it's at least possible. Go stand outside, try to key it up, see if it works. If it works outside, your house is likely the problem.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby Redshirt » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:02 am

I'll have to wait for morning. It's a bit cold out, and if I step out at least half the household will wake up right now when I get warmer clothes from the closet. I'll try tomorrow outside and give a report back.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby Redshirt » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:22 am

So... I just looked at the truth window in the house... yeah, we have a wire mesh visible... that means it is on either side and... yeah. I'm not gonna be able to TX from in this house.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby yale » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:51 am

Do you know any other ham radio operatiors local to you? Have you joined a ham radio club or forum where somone who lives nearby can assist or answer questions for you. Local hams who mentor "noobs" to the hobby are often called Elmers and I'm sure there's a Elmer near you that would be happy to help get you on the air.
I was a member of my local ham club for 6 months beofre I ever sat for my exam and got my call sign. By the time I was legal I had a whole club ready to help me key up and make my first contacts.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby zommoz10 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:44 am

If it's a working Echolink node other people here from all over the country/world can all connect to it and talk to you.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby crypto » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:01 am

Redshirt wrote:So... I just looked at the truth window in the house... yeah, we have a wire mesh visible... that means it is on either side and... yeah. I'm not gonna be able to TX from in this house.


I dunno about that.

I live in a century-old brick house with plaster walls containing metal lathe.

While I cant hit repeaters 20 miles away, I can hit the more local ones without an issue.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby 44Dave » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:13 am

I had certain spots in my house where I could access the outside with my HT, but the vast majority of my house was an iron curtain across the RF. It's easy enough to step outside to experiment and see if you can access. Then you know.

But you should start a thread in one of the other forums about living in a straw house :D I came this close to trying to build one. I will build me a straw shed one of these days.
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Re: So I want to transmit for the very first time...

Postby thesupremeking » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:58 am

I read this thread title and thought Herpes.
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