Martial Arts/Hand-to-hand Combat

[D-Train]

Seems like if there was a place to discuss martial arts and their application to the undead, this would be the place. I mean, I just read a thread discussing how thick a horde of zombies would have to be before they could crawl on top of a moving tank. I really can't see much of a difference. This is a fun forum, but let's face it, when we're discussing zombies, we're discussing hypotheticals.

[buffalosoldier]

we could combine this with other mall ninja esque threads, like how many zombie 5thgraders chuck liddell wearing a cestus with a katana tied to it could punch through.

[ShastaHawk]

I've boxed and wrestled throughout high school and the military and added about 10 years of kenpo and filipino stick fighting on top of that so I have about 20 years of martial arts training behind me. Will this help me in a zombie apocalypse? Yes and no.

The physical conditiong and confidence this training is worth it's weigh in gold so enough is said about that

Kenpo teaches you a lot of grab defenses, a huge bonus when zombies attempt to grab you, and gives you tremendous hand speed IF YOU STICK WITH IT. Now give me a a set of cestus or a couple pairs of brass knuckles and I bet I can do a lot of damage if surrounded by zombies. Would I wade into a bunch to test this theory out? HELL NO! I would run the other way if I ran out of ammo or my melee weapons broke

Filipino stick fighting teaches you to use melee weapons with maximum effectiveness, in both attack and defense. Although I would prefer a good steel bat or crowbar as my primary melee weapons, I wouldnt be a fish out of water if I can pick up a 16 or 20 inch metal pipe to use just as effectively or even better if it's lighter

[junkyard slave]

I informally train with a guy who is formally training... so no, no qualifications.

A) No, anyone can kick. And thats the only martial arts move thatd be effective on a zombie while not risking you getting infected. A last-resort kick to the face or torso while wearing combat boots, to stun or knock it back. A punch would only be practical if you had your hand encased in a glove of bricks, which would be... impractical.
B)30
C)18

[one_man_force]

Doing any decent martial art meant for real fighting is better than doing nothing. Boxing, wrestling, Judo, Jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, Combatives, Kenpo, Kali, etc. are all good.
I am 50 years old and studied martial arts for 30+ years. I find myself drastically changing what I do. I have simplified greatly and eliminated techniques that were either too acrobatic or required too much strength. With all the surgeries, pins, rods, and screws in my body I just can't hang with the young bucks anymore. I concentrate on bringing up the younger generation and training them smarter than I was trained.

[Ruppism]

okay so my thought about martial arts during a zombie paw are that martial arts could help you quite a bit, if its not fighting zombies in hand to hand combat it might be fighting with other people who survied that want to take your stuff, and even if you never have to actualy use hand to hand combat in a zombie paw, martial arts will increase your reaction time.

my experiance with martial arts is this

i have a purple belt in Shotokan Karate
iv had about 7 months of wing chun Kung-fu classes
iv trained with ammature mma fighters for about a year
and i have done about 3 months of aikido classes
and also a year of BJJ

my age is 19

and the only effective thing i can think of would be sweeping kicks aginst zombie just knock them down with a sweeping kick and then heel stomp them in the face but this would only work aginst one zombie at a time, i suppose you could use a neck snap from a rear naked choke hold but i wouldnt want to get that close to a zombies mouth

[pirro]

A) No
B) 28
C) 28

I have 18 years of martial arts under my belt. I know Sipalki do, Ving Tsun Moy yat family and Muay thai. I did beat the crap of an aikido 4 dan balck belt and in that moment i realize that your dojo training is no match against fisical training and a lot of full contact sparring. You fight like you practise in you dojo/gym.

Saludos.

[Malleolus]

Ok, you have to look at it objectively everyone. Yes this is a hypothetical forum, but to kill a zombie (hypothetically) you have to cause mortal trauma to the brain. What part of martial arts covers causing enough trauma to the brain for it to be deadly? Even special forces training, though is designed to kill quickly, quietly, and efficiently, uses killing blows to various parts of the body. I'm sorry, but martial arts, even intended to kill, is designed around the concept of causing your opponent enough pain for you to win, be it they concede or what have you, and against something that feels no pain and the only way to effectively kill it is to destroy the brain, most all martial arts forms fall short in this. Could it be a good backup, especially the forms that pertain to grappling and escaping from multiple opponents, until you can get something that can destroy the brain most certainly, but you can't rely on it as a tool used to dispatch zombies solely.

[azrael99]

i wonder how the systema and the krav maga would be again undead ?

[TheLastOne]

i wonder how the systema and the krav maga would be again undead ?

I'll bite

I've done krav for a year and am no expert, but I've trained enough to get into some of the more advanced stuff and have seen some of the advanced stuff. My impression of krav is that it is a common sense DEFENSE oriented system. There is a lot of focus in training on awareness (to make this quick, the best way to win a fight is to not be there) etc.

There is also a lot of hands on training involving escaping from chokes and holds, which in the practical sense of the zombie question might be useful. We train a lot with crowd type situations (multiple attackers), again somewhat useful in the zombie rush (and it feels silly to describe situations this way). More of the advanced stuff leans toward weapon defenses, but is all based upon some basic 'natural' defenses against hand to hand problems. It doesn't claim to be fancy, but it does claim to be effective. Developed for the IDF who are pretty much in a constant state of engagement of some kind, and I think that's a pretty good endorsement. YMMV.

I feel that the best thing krav has going for it is the way we train. It is damn near 100% hands on as-real-as-we-can-without-killing-each-other training. We increase stress on the body with sound, light (or darkness), multiple attackers, throwing in a ton of cardio, and by having multiple engagement types at the same time. I get black eyes a lot, I bleed a lot, and I don't even think bruises are really worth mentioning. It's also a bad ass workout. (I do at least 4 classes a week in combination with another 3-4 crossfit classes). Krav helps you develop a mentality of aggression; I/others call it 'flipping the switch'. There's no room for half assing anything if someone attacks you with intent to harm you. Flip that fucking switch and go until they aren't going anymore (and of course I'm not implying killing, I'm saying end the fight). Training under stress helps you handle stress better in an actual defense situation. It is also important to note, I think, that it is fine to train in specific defenses, but also to train through them (and by that I mean that if you fuck up the 'defense' for a specific attack, you don't pause for even one beat. You fight past that defense. Superior aggression fixes a lot of shitty problems).

So, in summary, in a 'zombie' situation where the aggressors would likely be trying to grab you and drag you down, yes, I think krav would be a decent tool in your tool box. One should carry many tools.

[Regular Guy]

i wonder how the systema and the krav maga would be again undead ?

Krav maga is good stuff. Systema is goofy crap that expects people to come at you in unrealistic and stupid ways. Kind of like akido. For body throws redirection type stuff go for judo. I love stinking tosses.

[Roger Brough]

No one ever seems to want to talk about slap boxing...

[Shaper]

i wonder how the systema and the krav maga would be again undead ?

Krav maga is good stuff. Systema is goofy crap that expects people to come at you in unrealistic and stupid ways. Kind of like akido. For body throws redirection type stuff go for judo. I love stinking tosses.

Ippon!

[MikeM]

I actually think that zombies would be one of the cases where Systema would shine since the system seems based around your opponent moving slowly and having really bad balance

Now, if we are talking Hoodoo/Voodoo zeds, Systema would rule, 'cause those guys have got the big time mojo