Non-licensed Radio Operation

[KJ4VOV]

And now for my thoughts on a solution... Didn't Nextel have some phones with a 2-way radio component at one point that had decent distance?

And dependent upon working infrastructure, which likely will not be the case in a SHTF scenario.

[Redshirt]

And now for my thoughts on a solution... Didn't Nextel have some phones with a 2-way radio component at one point that had decent distance?

And dependent upon working infrastructure, which likely will not be the case in a SHTF scenario.

The feature I was thinking of I coulda sworn didn't rely on working infrastructure.

[Redshirt]

Ok, from googling, it looks like it is called either MOTOtalk off-network or Direct Talk off network.

Theoretical range of 5 miles though.

[zommoz10]

That was a mistake on their part. Nextel worked hard getting companies to swtich over from two way radio systems. Reintroducing them to the technology they left behind was pretty stupid. Especially since that technology worked better.

[Redshirt]

Yes, but it seems to meet the criterion of needing under 5mi comms for idiots.

[KJ4VOV]

Yes, but it seems to meet the criterion of needing under 5mi comms for idiots.

Theoretically.

And, as we know from the claims by manufacturers of FRS units, theoretical and reality are worlds apart.

[Redshirt]

Yes, but it seems to meet the criterion of needing under 5mi comms for idiots.

Theoretically.

And, as we know from the claims by manufacturers of FRS units, theoretical and reality are worlds apart.

Yes, but theoretically, getting a technician license is too difficult for idiots. Which we all know just isn't the case.

[Atomic_Dog]

I would think that if you're transmitting on 2m that's linked to 10m, then it's the control operator of the 10m link that has responsibilty. An example would be if you were crossbanding frs to 2m, the person transmitting on frs would be ok. Your butt, however, would be in a sling. My reasoning is that the person on frs may not even know it's being re-transmitted. The same would apply to the 2m to 10m situation. Just FYI there's a portion of the 10m band for techs. Sorry if that's too far off topic.

[zommoz10]

We had a discussion about this locally a few years ago when someone was using the MURS as a remote mic (for convenience) by cross banding with a UHF ham repeater.

When the other hams found out they were being broadcast on MURS, it was a shit storm of monumental proportions.

You could try to plead ignorance but will anyone believe you and/or give a shit?
If you were booming over MURS (or FRS) frequencies at 50 watts, with your call sign and everything, that would look pretty bad for all parties involved.

[KJ4VOV]

We had a discussion about this locally a few years ago when someone was using the MURS as a remote mic (for convenience) by cross banding with a UHF ham repeater.

When the other hams found out they were being broadcast on MURS, it was a shit storm of monumental proportions.

You could try to plead ignorance but will anyone believe you and/or give a shit?
If you were booming over MURS (or FRS) frequencies at 50 watts, with your call sign and everything, that would look pretty bad for all parties involved.

Not to mention it being illegal to cross band between different services.

[zommoz10]

Not to mention it being illegal to cross band between different services.

That's why people were so upset.

[Redshirt]

Crazy thought... anything on the books about a 900mhz repeater?

EDIT: No, that still requires a license. Damn.
EDIT2: Wait, it says one website it is a secondary allocation for hams, so... maybe?

[KJ4VOV]

Crazy thought... anything on the books about a 900mhz repeater?

EDIT: No, that still requires a license. Damn.
EDIT2: Wait, it says one website it is a secondary allocation for hams, so... maybe?

Think about it, if ARS is a secondary allocation then you can bet your bottom dollar that the primary allocation will also be licensed, military, or government in 99.9% of the cases. You really aren't going to find anything outside the Part 95 allocations that are unlicensed. And even those are "licensed by rule".

Here, maybe this will help...

http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/ ... ctable.pdf

[Redshirt]

Crazy thought... anything on the books about a 900mhz repeater?

EDIT: No, that still requires a license. Damn.
EDIT2: Wait, it says one website it is a secondary allocation for hams, so... maybe?

Think about it, if ARS is a secondary allocation then you can bet your bottom dollar that the primary allocation will also be licensed, military, or government in 99.9% of the cases. You really aren't going to find anything outside the Part 95 allocations that are unlicensed. And even those are "licensed by rule".

Here, maybe this will help...

http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/ ... ctable.pdf

Yeah, using my phone on 900mhz ages ago kinda made me think it might be some form of loophole, along with all those radios that use 900mhz out there.

[KJ4VOV]

Crazy thought... anything on the books about a 900mhz repeater?

EDIT: No, that still requires a license. Damn.
EDIT2: Wait, it says one website it is a secondary allocation for hams, so... maybe?

Think about it, if ARS is a secondary allocation then you can bet your bottom dollar that the primary allocation will also be licensed, military, or government in 99.9% of the cases. You really aren't going to find anything outside the Part 95 allocations that are unlicensed. And even those are "licensed by rule".

Here, maybe this will help...

http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/ ... ctable.pdf

Yeah, using my phone on 900mhz ages ago kinda made me think it might be some form of loophole, along with all those radios that use 900mhz out there.

As that PDF I linked to shows, there really isn't some secret, undiscovered, unused portion of the RF spectrum where no license is required, you can use any equipment you can lay your hands on, where signals can span the entire globe (with perfect clarity), and where no technical knowledge is required. No matter how much people might wish there was.

[Redshirt]

Crazy thought... anything on the books about a 900mhz repeater?

EDIT: No, that still requires a license. Damn.
EDIT2: Wait, it says one website it is a secondary allocation for hams, so... maybe?

Think about it, if ARS is a secondary allocation then you can bet your bottom dollar that the primary allocation will also be licensed, military, or government in 99.9% of the cases. You really aren't going to find anything outside the Part 95 allocations that are unlicensed. And even those are "licensed by rule".

Here, maybe this will help...

http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum/ ... ctable.pdf

Yeah, using my phone on 900mhz ages ago kinda made me think it might be some form of loophole, along with all those radios that use 900mhz out there.

As that PDF I linked to shows, there really isn't some secret, undiscovered, unused portion of the RF spectrum where no license is required, you can use any equipment you can lay your hands on, where signals can span the entire globe (with perfect clarity), and where no technical knowledge is required. No matter how much people might wish there was.

No one in this thread was asking for that.

[williaty]

No one in this thread was asking for that.

Then it would be the first thread in the history of the internet where preppers weren't at least implying they should be allowed to make whatever mess of the spectrum they felt like at the time.

[nacho]

I'd vote for MURS. With the right radios you can probably get away with simplex operations. And if the radio was part 90 certified before 2002 you can use it on MURS as long as it has been set up for 2w TX max and transmits at 12.5k BW for the 151 channels, and 25k BW for the 154 channels.

Something like a Bendix King LPH-2023 can be bought for $10 on ebay and can legally operate on the two 154 channels.