Something that just may give you a chance at hand to hand.

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:28 pm

im not the age you think i am. and yes i have fired a rifle, infact i do it in competitions.http://www.nauticom.net/www/rjss/
im not all about the new modern age assault rifles. the first gun i grab wont be my glock it'll be my 45 long rifle lever action. less parts, less stuff to go wrong. and its a lot easier to take apart my remington black hawk then it is to take apart a 7mm.
(on another note because we were earlier talking about only letting people stay if they brought something to the table)So when you see those old guys in the office and you used to think to yourself "there gunna be quick to die when SHTF", i hope you think differently, cause the guys i shoot with hold there own.

by **BlackCentaur** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:33 pm

Wouldn't like...discussing how to NOT stay out of melee range of a zombie, be more productive than yacking about how you could kill them hand to hand? I mean come on...Just buy a calico, a bunch of ammo, and a Colt 1911, or even a baby deagle..

That would in most cases, equal the quick and hopefully very painful extermination of large amounts of zombies..

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:44 pm

what ever suits you

by **minengr** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:51 pm

Well, I totally disagree. Despite its historical problems the AR15/M16 was designed so that pimple faced 18 year olds could take it apart and clean it. I have several lever-actions and I have an AR15 and in my opinion my Winchester 94’s are a much larger pain in the ass to take apart and reassemble.

and its a lot easier to take apart my remington black hawk then it is to take apart a 7mm

Exactly what do you mean by this? Before I say something nasty just want to know if you had a typo or two.

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:55 pm

i ment 9mm but have a pick at it, your intitled to your opinion

by **minengr** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:23 pm

I think ones gunsmithing skills, if you could call it that in this case, depend completely upon what you are most familiar. I own a Ruger Blackhawk and a Super Blackhawk as well as 9mm's from Sig, Beretta, H&K, and Browning. I have never taken either of my Rugers apart, other than removing the cylinder for cleaning. My 9mm’s are a different story. I’ve taken all of them apart, and made minor tweaks on a couple. So for me taking one of my 9mm apart is no big deal. Give me a 1911 and I can really go to town. I’ve shown people parts they didn't know they had on 1911's.

by **HamJob** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:03 am

I just can't imagine using a sword as a first pick. Especially when you get swarmed by zombies, then you're in some real deep shit. That's why being able to kill your target before it knows you're around is good. I mean yeah, swords are cool, but guns are gonna save your ass more. And rifles aren't that heavy, I picked up a sword that wasn't as long as a rifle and it weighed more than a rifle (M16). So you gotta be pretty damn skinny if you can't carry the fuckin' rifle long enough to hide somewhere.

by **grim** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:48 am

I dont recomend the sword as an effective zombie killing tool, but part of survival is preparing for the unknown, there may come a time when you may have to stand and fight, what would happen if you by chance get cornerd in an ally and run out of ammo, now you have to look at this realisticly, would you rather use an empty gun to club the zombies or have a tool as a backup that you've been training with for a while, whether its a crowbar, sharpened shovel, or evan a pack axe any basic melee tool will work better than an empty gun.

by **jamoni** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:37 pm

Believe it or not, a rifle makes a pretty damn good club if you know how to use it as such. I wouldn't want to use it against multiples, but IMHO the benefit of not dropping something so useful outweighs the cost of slightly less bludgeoning force, against one or two zombies.

by **HamJob** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:03 am

Yeah sure, have a sword as BACKUP, there's nothing wrong with that, but relying on it as your first choice is stupid. We don't live in an anime.

(I think this is my first post with no cussing

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by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:50 pm

you dont know which weapon would be best for killing zombies, and neither do it. so no one can really say which weapon is a stupid choice. for all we know throwing knives could work best against zombies.

by **grim** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:10 pm

Diferent people are gonna have diferent levals of skill, a person who has trained to use one tool will use that tool and do well, but on average if a person dosn't have experience using a sword than they may be better off using a club, Im sure if you know what your doing a sword could easly take off a head, but for someone less experienced using the same tool would get them killed, the only thing that matters when it comes to your backup is that you can use it, but you can't say any mellee tool is gonna be better than a firearm as your main weapon.

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:14 pm

grim wrote: but you can't say any mellee tool is gonna be better than a firearm as your main weapon.

You cant say that for sure. We just dont know what zombies are gunna be like, simple as that.

by **jamoni** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:45 pm

Forgetting zombies for a moment, can you HUNT with a sword? Can you defend against raiders with a sword? And they ARE heavy. So, what are you going to leave behind to save weight? Swords are fun, swords are neat, swordsmanship is great to learn. But swords are a poor second place to guns. You want one, you carry it. But I'll bet you $5 you throw it away about 2 weeks into the PAW.

by **grim** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:00 pm

And becouse of that we have to guess, but you have to use basic knowedge of animals in design, the only way a real zombie (reanimated dead) could logicly be brout back is through access of the brain, no other area would give the virus the ability to control the body, so considering that the only way to kill them would be to sever the brain conection or make the brain unusable, so in order to do that you have a couple options, either get very close with a melee tool, or to shoot them from a distance.

But it dosnt matter how you look at a zombie its still an animal of some kind, and history has proven that a gun is the most affective way to kill an animal, and is definatly the most affective way to kill a group of animals. but to say a melee tool would be better dosn't make sence what animal has ever been hunted with a melee tool. Besides a spear which isnt used as a melee when you hunt with it.

by **grim** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:10 pm

I wouldnt throw away my gun I would just sinch the sling tight against my back, since Im not planning on getting cornered and out of ammo, I just want a melle as an efective way to get to somewere I can run.

Im planning on using a melee and will make the sacrifice of the weight, Ive done long 30+ mile hike with a lot more on my back than a good axe and my shotgun, but for people who have not done this the extra weight is definitly something to consider, a 10mile hike with a pack is like a 20mile without.

by **jamoni** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:18 pm

When you carry everything you own on your back, and don't know how far you have to go to be safe, weight is ALWAYS a consideration.

by **grim** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:29 pm

Very true, I just wouldnt want to end up needing one if I didnt have it. But to each his own.

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:11 pm

ive loaded up my seal pack with my machette and a handgun with a lot of things needed during a P.A.W including a B.O.B and an efficient amount of water and hiked with it. im a pretty strong guy and the weight wasnt a very big burden.

by **grim** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:15 pm

How far did you hike? The farthest Ive ever done was 106 miles and it kicked my ass, I also had a lot of gear being that I was hunting and camping along the way.

by **MonksHuid-AgA** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:19 pm

i have mountains about 1 hour away from my house (Allegheny mountains), so me and my brother hiked 15 miles to a nice water hole and camped out there for 2 days and just worked on our survival skills(i.e hunting , fishing, traping and what not)

by **kielbasaD1** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:04 pm

oh god i dont know were i am!!!!

oh ya well a melee weapon is always a nice thing. i would much rather have a knife or something bigger thn those claws.

-kielbasaD1 -but i dont want to go to the store :cry:

by **BlackCentaur** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:37 pm

Attention all anime freaks: Let me hereby EXPLAIN to you that you pimpley faced nerds, sitting around watching anime all day long, will not be able to weild the swords you see in your asian cartoons any better than say...a small rodent.
Second of all, do you have any idea how hard it is to swing a sword at a person and lop off it's entire spinal cord in one slash?
Yeah...trust me, you can't do it.
Especially against multiple blood-thirst things trying to come at you, because you'd be nervous and there'd be piss running down your legs, and the smell from that brown stuff in your pants would alert everything with a sense of smell for 5 miles of your existence.
But hey, maybe being releived of that load would help your manueverability as you hack at the zombies torso with your sword in one hand...until the other one bites into the bicep of your other arm, and you pass out from shock.

Just lay off the anime...
It's not real, life ain't that easy, women don't have cat ears and can't weild 500 lb iron swords. (they also can't squeeze into outfits that small, and asian girls boobs are NOT that big in general)

by **Nightside_Eclipse** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:35 am

While I sure as hell wouldn't recommend engaging a zombie in melee combat I would recommend carrying a heavy bladed machete. A machete is a valuable tool in the field AND a weapon if need be.

But if you just HAVE to have a sword I would recommend a Criswell katana (no wait before you flame, people)

These are not your useless anime-last samurai- typekatanas- they are actually useful tools that can be used for just about any thing a machete can do. They are damn near indestructable (I have only heard of ONE instance of one ever breaking) and very light. Plus they have a beveled edge and can be sharpened with a whetstone, unlike traditional katanas.

BUT (and this is a FUCKING big BUT) if you have to have a sword learn how to fucking use it!!!! And know that it WILL NOT REPLACE YOUR FIREARM AS A PRIMARY WEAPON. Drill that into your head anime kids- IT WILL NOT REPLACE A FIREARM.

A sword like the Criswell can be useful in certain situations BUT only if you know how to use it AND you can afford to carry that extra 3 pounds.

And you have an extra 400 bucks to spend.....

http://www.888knivesrus.com/product/CRIS31KATANA

Something that just may give you a chance at hand to hand.

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