AIM TO THE BRAIN!! ok but where ?

[azrael99]

as far as we know, zombie still use their brains to transmit impulse through the spine and the rest of the body, but what i'm not sure is: are they really using ALL their brain ? even though WE use only 10-15% of our brains (still have to confirm that) zombie don't need all the brain to work.

as far as we know, zombie work with only the most basic function of the brain, to respond to only the most basic of our need. that mean : the hunger, and anger. the most basic survival need. which are controlled by the cerebellum which is the most important and yet smallest part of our brain. it contain our most basic function. and is in direct connection to the spine.

my problem is: we know that the most effective way to neutralize a zombie is to destroy the brain. ok i get that. but IF the zombie don't need ALL the brain, how could injure a the part they don't use\and need could neutralise them ?

it's like shooting them in the arm, or the leg or the center of the mass. yes they use their arm and leg. but they don't actually need them. so if you do not destroy the cerebellum how could a head shot be effective ?

if you cannot decapitate them or destroy the cerebellum, not just any part of the brain , how could you neutralize them ?

[mystic_1]

Mostly the assumption is made that "popping the top on a cold one" is akin to letting the magic smoke out.

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[AParrette]

Assuming they would share the same neural transfers than the spinal cord anywhere. You could get it st least paralysed

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[KnightoftheRoc]

Rather than aiming "between the eyes" of for the forehead, I'd aim for the mouth, so the shot takes out the cerebral cortex, the spinal cord at the base of the skull, or maybe both. This should sever the connection between the brain and the rest of the body (not counting the zombie's senses of taste, smell, hearing or sight), neutralizing it. If it's still "live" and experiencing things, well, sorry, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. I think this method sort of eliminates the issue of hitting the right PART of the brain.

[Regular Guy]

even though WE use only 10-15% of our brains (still have to confirm that) zombie don't need all the brain to work.

No, we use our entire brain. If you watch a brain scan you will see that there are electrical impluses all over the brain. That 10-15% assumption was made over 60 ago.

Each part of the brain uses and controls different parts of the body. Just google brain anatomy and you'll find diagrams.

[8thsinner]

With blunt force trauma I would aim for the very top of the brain to shatter all four parts of the skull causing hopefully enough damage to the brain tissue to put them down.
With blades weapons, horizontally through the nape if from the back. In straighter bladed weapons.
Or with the front on, using a khukri, slipping to the side and trying to sever the spinal cord as soon into the cut as possible.
Front on with a katana, same as below. Little bone to deflect it and doesn't need as much force.
With a gun, yeah through the mouth seems like a good idea.

Ideally though you want to capture a few if possible after disabling them and experiment a little bit to give you a better idea. Thats the only sure way to know.

[KnightoftheRoc]

With blunt force trauma I would aim for the very top of the brain to shatter all four parts of the skull causing hopefully enough damage to the brain tissue to put them down.
With blades weapons, horizontally through the nape if from the back. In straighter bladed weapons.
Or with the front on, using a khukri, slipping to the side and trying to sever the spinal cord as soon into the cut as possible.
Front on with a katana, same as below. Little bone to deflect it and doesn't need as much force.
With a gun, yeah through the mouth seems like a good idea.

Ideally though you want to capture a few if possible after disabling them and experiment a little bit to give you a better idea. Thats the only sure way to know.

yeah...'cause THAT never goes badly...

[Browning 35]

Never shot a Zombie personally, but I guess you'd aim for the same spot that you would aim on a 'Bad Guy' if you just HAD TO take a shot in a hostage scenario where you didn't want the reflex of the gunman getting shot to make him pull the trigger...the medulla oblongata.

So when you're facing a Zed aim midline about an inch to half an inch lower than between their eyes (basically on the bridge of their nose).

From the side aim for their ear canal.

This shot is going to be way easier if they're a shambler rather than if they're a runner. In that case aim for the hip to break it and then finish them off when they're a little bit more still.

[packn_rn]

I was taught that the "philtrum" (the little valley that runs midline from below the nose to the top of the lip) was the aim point for a CNS shot.

[Browning 35]

I was taught that the "philtrum" (the little valley that runs midline from below the nose to the top of the lip) was the aim point for a CNS shot.

I've heard that before too, but as you can see that's a little bit low.



It would probably work if it severed the spinal cord, but sometimes bullets veer off course and the spinal cord would be an even smaller target than the Medulla Oblongata (which is already small enough).



So if you shot this zombie roughly where the red dot is chances are you'd be fine.

[bigmattdaddywack]

I have been thinking about this a lot too.
Most head shots you see on zombies in films are on the forehead, but you need to take out the brain stem, and it aint there.

[azrael99]

that quite interesting stuff here.

[Regular Guy]

I was taught that the "philtrum" (the little valley that runs midline from below the nose to the top of the lip) was the aim point for a CNS shot.

I've heard that before too, but as you can see that's a little bit low.



It would probably work if it severed the spinal cord, but sometimes bullets veer off course and the spinal cord would be an even smaller target than the Medulla Oblongata (which is already small enough).



So if you shot this zombie roughly where the red dot is chances are you'd be fine.

Okay, the medullla oblongata controls:
Functions

The medulla oblongata controls autonomic functions, and connects the higher levels of the brain to the spinal cord. It is also responsible for regulating several basic functions of the autonomic nervous system which include:

Respiration – chemoreceptors
Cardiac center – sympathetic, parasympathetic system
Vasomotor center – baroreceptors
Reflex centers of vomiting, coughing, sneezing, and swallowing

On a zombie those centers could not stop a undead cause they don't need to breath or have a functioning heart.

If it is the brain hit that stops the zombie, you want motor cortex.

Anatomy of the motor cortex

The motor cortex can be divided into four main parts:

the primary motor cortex (or M1), responsible for generating the neural impulses controlling execution of movement
and the secondary motor cortices, including
the posterior parietal cortex, responsible for transforming visual information into motor commands
the premotor cortex, responsible for motor guidance of movement and control of proximal and trunk muscles of the body
and the supplementary motor area (or SMA), responsible for planning and coordination of complex movements such as those requiring two hands.

Other brain regions outside the cortex are also of great importance to motor function, most notably the cerebellum and subcortical motor nuclei.
Destroy it's ability to move any component of it's movement, it's kind of harmless.

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_06/ ... r_mou.html <<<This page has cartoons showing where the motor cortex is.

[cmxterra]

I was taught that the "philtrum" (the little valley that runs midline from below the nose to the top of the lip) was the aim point for a CNS shot.

I've heard that before too, but as you can see that's a little bit low.



It would probably work if it severed the spinal cord, but sometimes bullets veer off course and the spinal cord would be an even smaller target than the Medulla Oblongata (which is already small enough).



So if you shot this zombie roughly where the red dot is chances are you'd be fine.

I did not think natural disasters had brains we could shoot. CoolBeans!

[azrael99]

i didn't know i would get such interesting info when i made tha tread. that will be interesting

i wonder if you could get target witth schema of the brain on it to be able to aim at a specific part of the brain.

[Regular Guy]

i didn't know i would get such interesting info when i made tha tread. that will be interesting

i wonder if you could get target witth schema of the brain on it to be able to aim at a specific part of the brain.

If you hit the brain going long ways, dead center from the side or sever it in half (top to bottom) your going to hit the motor cortex.

[KnightoftheRoc]

i didn't know i would get such interesting info when i made tha tread. that will be interesting

i wonder if you could get target with schema of the brain on it to be able to aim at a specific part of the brain.

now THERE is a market for a custom reticule, right there- switchable between the posterior/anterior views and two side views- just line the head up in the silhouette, and squeeze the trigger!

[Browning 35]

It is also responsible for regulating several basic functions of the autonomic nervous system which include:

    Respiration – chemoreceptors
    Cardiac center – sympathetic, parasympathetic system
    Vasomotor center – baroreceptors
    Reflex centers of vomiting, coughing, sneezing, and swallowing

Yes, all this is true and on a Zed you're right...shutting down the above systems wouldn't make a bit of difference since there's no electrical activity in the heart and there are no respirations.

(I'm going with the traditional Zombie here that's actually dead, not the newer type which are alive but infected, raging and psychotic).

However the medulla oblongata does have one crucial function which you've already pointed out.

The medulla oblongata controls autonomic functions, and connects the higher levels of the brain to the spinal cord.

Wouldn't blasting a hole through the 'switch box' that connects the brain with the spinal cord work very well?

All that I've seen or read on Zombies suggests that they're not motivated by higher thoughts, motivations and actions, but by the primal need to attack and feed.

So when a projectile destroys the connector switch that's between the Zombies brain (which is at least operating on some level) and the spinal cord (which controls movement) to my way of thinking that's a much better target than the brain all on it's own.

Plus such a shot would also damage the brain and spinal cord as well.

As you said...

Destroy it's ability to move any component of it's movement, it's kind of harmless. 

[Browning 35]

i didn't know i would get such interesting info when i made tha tread. that will be interesting

i wonder if you could get target witth schema of the brain on it to be able to aim at a specific part of the brain.

Like this?



Or a Zombie brain map?

[Regular Guy]

However the medulla oblongata does have one crucial function which you've already pointed out.

The medulla oblongata controls autonomic functions, and connects the higher levels of the brain to the spinal cord.

Wouldn't blasting a hole through the 'switch box' that connects the brain with the spinal cord work very well?

All that I've seen or read on Zombies suggests that they're not motivated by higher thoughts, motivations and actions, but by the primal need to attack and feed.

So when a projectile destroys the connector switch that's between the Zombies brain (which is at least operating on some level) and the spinal cord (which controls movement) to my way of thinking that's a much better target than the brain all on it's own.

Plus such a shot would also damage the brain and spinal cord as well.

As you said...

Destroy it's ability to move any component of it's movement, it's kind of harmless. 

Sure, I was assuming that since there is no electical activity from the brain to the body then the switch box wouldn't matter. When there is no electical impluse, I assume the medulla would not matter, therefore, go for the source, the motor cortex. You know what's funny, we probably have a cumulative education value of at least 100 thousand dollars and were discussing zombie brains.

[Browning 35]

Sure, I was assuming that since there is no electical activity from the brain to the body then the switch box wouldn't matter. When there is no electical impluse, I assume the medulla would not matter, therefore, go for the source, the motor cortex.

I was assuming that there would need to be some limited electrical activity in the brain which would need to be used for the senses (sight, smell, hearing etc) to find prey and which would stimulate the Zed to attack and/or to feed.

I forget which Zombie novel I read it in, but there was a line in there indicating that there was some electrical activity in the brain upon 'Re-animation'. The scientists in said book were just unable to 'ascertain' why or how exactly this happened (probably because it's impossible).

You know what's funny, we probably have a cumulative education value of at least 100 thousand dollars and were discussing zombie brains.

The same thought occured to me while I was typing out the above post.

Screw it though, gotta do something for fun.

[Lew]

I was taught to destroy mobility of a human target with a single shot your best bet is to hit the bridge of the nose where the cartlidge connects to the skull, the point you are trying to hit is just above that point near the back of the head and will cause immediate lose of motor function. The guys that trained us were good at their jobs, I'd take their word for it.

[azrael99]

well that like the famous "aim between the eyes" .

[mystic_1]

Have we ever seen a case of a Zombie getting shot in the head, and NOT dieing?

Er, re-dieing.

I think the only example of this would be the "Reanimator" or "Braindead" style of zombies, where even individual body parts continued to move around and have independent will.

And in that case, well you're pretty much screwed regardless of where you aim

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