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How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby Dawgboy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:49 pm

Short story, Recent SEAL grad impresses girl by "accidentally" discharging a firearm into his own head... Even with all that excellent training, this kid still forgot the first rule: All firearms are to be treated as loaded. And now his family is bereaved, the poor girl will never ever get that picture out of her head, and the Navy just wasted a heck of a lot of money. And you can bet the anti gun advocates around here will be screaming for months.

Lose-lose-lose.


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/05/navy-seal-shoots-kills-self-accidentally/
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby Czechnology » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:54 pm

The name of the victim, age 22, was not released. Police initially said the victim had recently graduated from SEAL training, but later said that information had not been verified.


SEAL or not, that's just not how you do shit, and unfortunately he learned that the hard way.
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby PackLemming » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:46 pm

Dawgboy wrote:Short story, Recent SEAL grad impresses girl by "accidentally" discharging a firearm into his own head... Even with all that excellent training, this kid still forgot the first rule: All firearms are to be treated as loaded. And now his family is bereaved, the poor girl will never ever get that picture out of her head, and the Navy just wasted a heck of a lot of money. And you can bet the anti gun advocates around here will be screaming for months.

Lose-lose-lose.


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jan/05/navy-seal-shoots-kills-self-accidentally/


Sounds like the kind of guy who would shoot at beer cans tossed into the air after a night out drinking ignoring that while cans go up and down, so do bullets. A liability to the NAVY, his colleagues, and most importantly himself.
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby praharin » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:22 am

It's a sad moment, for sure.


However, drunk or not, shit like this does not say professional gunman to me. There is a good chance that the Navy is better off without this guy on the Teams.

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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby jamoni » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:31 am

I think that kindergarten should be devoted exclusively to cost/benefit analysis, and you can't graduate until you get it.
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby williaty » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:46 am

jamoni wrote:I think that kindergarten should be devoted exclusively to cost/benefit analysis, and you can't graduate until you get it.

That would lead to most Americans being in kindergarten until at least their mid-30s.

Not saying it's a bad idea, mind you, I rather like it.
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby praharin » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:53 am

jamoni wrote:I think that kindergarten should be devoted exclusively to cost/benefit analysis, and you can't graduate until you get it.


Psychologically speaking, everyone would be in kindergarten until they are about 25 and their prefrontal cortex fully matures.

http://www.actforyouth.net/resources/rf ... k_0907.pdf

I must have read the Reyna and Farley (2006) article this is partially based on a dozen times when I took developmental psych. The mind of adolescents (and younger children) literally cannot grasp cost/benefit analysis the way an adult can. It's hard wired into their brain to take stupid risks.

I suspect it's an evolutionary throwback. "Who dares, wins," and everyone loves a winner. Historically, it's possible he would be more likely to get a mate and reproduce, spreading his risk-taking genes to the next generation.

I'll stop now before I get on EBSCO to find the actual article...
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby praharin » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:54 am

williaty wrote:
jamoni wrote:I think that kindergarten should be devoted exclusively to cost/benefit analysis, and you can't graduate until you get it.

That would lead to most Americans being in kindergarten until at least their mid-30s.

Not saying it's a bad idea, mind you, I rather like it.


It's a bad idea. Many of the things you learn in those years couldn't be learned as quickly in later life. I'm going to stay out of the psych of this one though, for everyone's sake :gonk:
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby jamoni » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:25 am

I forgot the blue font.
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby praharin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:39 am

jamoni wrote:I forgot the blue font.


I figured, sometimes I can't help but interject some SCIENCE!

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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby Winston Smith » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:51 am

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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby AwPhuch » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:13 am

Thinking with the wrong head
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Re: How alcohol can trump even the best training...

Postby Kutter_0311 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:18 am

praharin wrote:
jamoni wrote:I think that kindergarten should be devoted exclusively to cost/benefit analysis, and you can't graduate until you get it.
Psychologically speaking, everyone would be in kindergarten until they are about 25 and their prefrontal cortex fully matures. [url=Link proving that.]http://www.actforyouth.net/resources/rf/rf_risk_0907.pdf[/url] I must have read the Reyna and Farley (2006) article this is partially based on a dozen times when I took developmental psych. The mind of adolescents (and younger children) literally cannot grasp cost/benefit analysis the way an adult can. It's hard wired into their brain to take stupid risks. I suspect it's an evolutionary throwback. "Who dares, wins," and everyone loves a winner. Historically, it's possible he would be more likely to get a mate and reproduce, spreading his risk-taking genes to the next generation.
Simple fact here. In humans, odds are, males will be pretty dumb till about 25, and females will sleep with said dumb males till about 25. It's what got us through the rough times, and ensured that only the strong survived. If you're gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough.
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People will rant about the SEAL factor, and training, etc. but the facts are

-22y/o male human
-female present(presumably hawt)
-both intoxicated/horny/mating dance
-guy just passed uber-macho tough-guy training
-no sense yet beaten into him by more mature teamates

This stuff is common in the military. It's why enlisted Marines can't have personal weapons stored in the barracks. Until you demonstrate maturity, all weapons handling will be supervised by someone ordered to stop you from being a danger to yourself/others.

Really, stairs are dangerous enough when you get single-guy-in-the-barracks drunk...
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