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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby PackLemming » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:23 am

doc66 wrote:Officers statements are the reason why you, as the victim, should always fill out a statement form--once you have consulted your attorney.

I policed for 13 years and there were always people who said "it didn't happen like that." While most officers try to give as complete and accurate reports as they can, there is only so much time in the shift to get things done. Departments like Cleveland have--at times--an insurmountable amount of calls, and with about a third of those calls come paperwork of some kind. Many calls are simply given a code with no narrative at all. My bet is that the report was written so that Greg Focker was put in the best light possible because they felt sympathy or a connection with him.

While that may not be the "right thing to do," it is what happens. Unless there is something glaringly wrong--let it slide. The guy has been charged and he will probably plea to lesser charges.


Within England, from my experiences with such things, the Officer who records crime record statements is obliged to read the entire document back (incases of disability or illiteracy) or allow the claimant access to the written document before the claimant signs the completed document as their claim of the criminal event.

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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby URBAN ASSAULT » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:47 am

You know, the more I think about this incident I have a gut feeling that in the end, unless this shitbird has a very lengthy list of heinous prior arrests/convictions, nothing much is going to come of it.

There doesn't seem to be any harmful intent, it doesn't appear that the reason why he was there was for burglary, he didn't hurt the dog, he didn't vandalize the possessions(even though they got broken while detaining him), he wasn't armed with a weapon, and Focker wasn't a woman who could claim that she was afraid of being raped by him.

I will lay odds right now that if he gets ANYTHING, it will be a slap on the wrist, so they can reserve room in the pokey for real :roll: criminals.

Hate to say this Greg, but I will bet you are gonna get Focked hard on this one by some overworked Assistant DA who wants this case off their desk so they can get on to something 'exciting'.

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby crypto » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:06 am

Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby DarkAxel » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:31 am

Greg Focker wrote:Btw, does "GSP" = German Shepherd? B/c usually I see it abbreviated as GSD.



I could be wrong, but the breed is also known as German Shepard Police (GSP) in my AO because of the heavy use of the breed by K-9 units.

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Go for the restitution order, and make the DA understand you want restitution in any deal or punishment he gets. Shouldn't be too hard. That way, if the shitbird get's off light for the burglary, and fails to make timely restitution payments, he'll have to watch over his shoulder for the cops looking to arrest him for failure to pay his restitution.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby chills1994 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:59 pm

GSP = German Shorthaired Pointer, sorry

image google results for German Shorthaired Pointer:

http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isc ... l0.7.2l9l0

well, hey I guess I will have to work on my conversational German. :lol:
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Czechnology » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:07 pm

chills1994 wrote:GSP = German Shorthaired Pointer, sorry

image google results for German Shorthaired Pointer:

http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isc ... l0.7.2l9l0

well, hey I guess I will have to work on my conversational German. :lol:



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"Zu mir" is "To me." auf Deutsch. "Mir Nach" is "after/follow me". Hand signals helped him quickly associate the different language voice commands, since "Smir na" doesn't sound a lot like "sit".
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Regular Guy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:07 pm

crypto wrote:Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.


I have an account there, if I remember, I'll post them up.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Paladin1 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:22 pm

Greg Focker wrote:Also, pic of dog + rifle:
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Great looking GSD. I have a hard time getting a good shot of mine too, won't stand still too long.

That's what I call a layered defense, good dog & good rifle.

He will never know how lucky he was, I wouldn't want to face a GSD, & trained shooter.

I also would not count on getting shit out of shitbird.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby AwPhuch » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:57 pm

A. Glad you are ok and one hell of a choking out badass
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D. Cheezy one liner of "You got knocked the fuck out maaaaaan" would be applicable in said situation

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my armchair response:
The best option is to leave. If you walk in on someone sitting on your couch, you simply say, "My bad, Dave's not here. His house is next door." Then walk outside and call the cops. Let the cops shoot him. I understand defending yourself/loved ones but not in defending your possessions.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Crazy Wolf » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:47 pm

chills1994 wrote:Greck Focker wrote:
...t is hard to get a good picture of him. He's very good with his seitz/platz/blieb commands (I presume I just misspelled those, but they are the German commands for sit/lay down/stay)...


slight thread drift...

Is there a German language command equivalent to "here" or "come" that doesn't sound like "hier" or "kommen"?

I quail/chukar/pheasant hunt with two other guys. One guy has a GSP, the other has a English Setter. The GSP guy uses "COME!" and a whistle to kinda reel his dog in. The other guy with the English Setter uses "HERE!" which is what my Weim knows....so my dog is constantly going to him instead and hanging out on his side of the field. If I could reel my dog in with some other word other than come or here that would be great...
Perhaps using "jetzt!" as in "(come here) Now!"? I'm trying to think of things that wouldn't be similar to an English-language command word, which is hard, considering that English is basically German that's been fancied up with French words.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Czechnology » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:56 pm

Someone should ask That German Guy what Bundeswehr MWD's commands are.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Greg Focker » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:24 pm

Paladin1 wrote:Great looking GSD. I have a hard time getting a good shot of mine too, won't stand still too long.

That's what I call a layered defense, good dog & good rifle.

He will never know how lucky he was, I wouldn't want to face a GSD, & trained shooter.

I also would not count on getting shit out of shitbird.

Well, I squeezed him really tight once and nothing popped out, so you're probably right :lol: :mrgreen: :twisted:


chills1994 wrote:well, hey I guess I will have to work on my conversational German.

I guess I didn't articulate my point very well. The point being your dog has been trained that when he gets a stimulus, in this case someone saying "here", he responds by coming to the person who said it. You can pick most any stimulus (some are more appropriate than others), be consistent in using it and rewarding/correcting your dog on the basis of his response to the stimulus, and your dog will figure it out relatively riki-tik. BTW, I'm a big fan of positive re-enforcement rather than punishing a dog. I've known and observed some people who include helicoptering* a dog in their training regimen, and I wouldn't want to work/own one of those dogs on a bet. But your dog doesn't "learn" German at all. As I said, you could teach your dog to use any word as any command prompt (bonus points if you teach your dog to do something entertaining when you say a mod's name, ie say "shrapnel" and your dog cock-punches someone :lol: ).



*The guy I train my dog with HATES this sort of shit, but for the record "helicoptering" a dog is when it acts out or fails to perform and the *cough*douchebag*cough* handler responds by spinning the dog by it's leash (and thus collar) like a helicopter. Dogs trained like this show no affection to their handler, and no initiative either. The conclusive first-hand proof of how that could be a problem for a K9 police officer was both hilarious and informative :lol:
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby jamoni » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:11 pm

I had a buddy who trained his (very friendly) Rottweiler to go APESHIT whenever he said "Down, Fido!"
The dog's name wasn't Fido.
It was hilarious and useful, because anytime some d-bag got too close to the wife or kid, "DOWN, FIDO!"
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Krustofski » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:59 pm

Greg Focker, if this thread had been started by some random noob, instead of you, I would have called BS on it, "Cool story, Bro"ed him, and never checked back on the thread. Since it was you, I only started out very sceptical about the whole thing. Then you gave us more and more details, which matched to much to be made-up, and had this police report and everything, and... Hardcore, man. :shock:

Czechnology wrote:Someone should ask That German Guy what Bundeswehr MWD's commands are.

I'm not That German Guy, but as far as I now they are the same commands the VDH (German version of the AKC) uses for obedience training. "Sitz" (sit), "Fuß" (heel), "Platz" (down), "Hier" (come here), and the aditional "Bleib" (stay), "Such" (search... whatever that dog is supposed to search for) and "Fass" (attack).
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Bearcat » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:24 pm

crypto wrote:Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.

Who cares what some armchair warrior thinks?
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Greg Focker » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:05 pm

Krustofski wrote:Greg Focker, if this thread had been started by some random noob, instead of you, I would have called BS on it, "Cool story, Bro"ed him, and never checked back on the thread. Since it was you, I only started out very sceptical about the whole thing. Then you gave us more and more details, which matched to much to be made-up, and had this police report and everything, and... Hardcore, man. :shock:

I figured most people would be skeptical (especially if they didn't know me), and I'm OK with that. Of course, knowing I'd eventually be able to post a police report helped :mrgreen:


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crypto wrote:Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.

Who cares what some armchair warrior thinks?

I'm sure most of the guys stridently calling bullshit are keyboard qualified chairborne rangers, but as my buddy is fond of saying, "sometimes you just get the urge to break it off in the douchebag's ass". So, yeah, I second crypto's motion...
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Bearcat » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:07 pm

Greg Focker wrote:
Krustofski wrote:Greg Focker, if this thread had been started by some random noob, instead of you, I would have called BS on it, "Cool story, Bro"ed him, and never checked back on the thread. Since it was you, I only started out very sceptical about the whole thing. Then you gave us more and more details, which matched to much to be made-up, and had this police report and everything, and... Hardcore, man. :shock:

I figured most people would be skeptical (especially if they didn't know me), and I'm OK with that. Of course, knowing I'd eventually be able to post a police report helped :mrgreen:


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crypto wrote:Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.

Who cares what some armchair warrior thinks?

I'm sure most of the guys stridently calling bullshit are keyboard qualified chairborne rangers, but as my buddy is fond of saying, "sometimes you just get the urge to break it off in the douchebag's ass". So, yeah, I second crypto's motion...

I hear ya, in that case, have fun shoving that down their throat.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Kutter_0311 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:45 am

jamoni wrote:I had a buddy who trained his (very friendly) Rottweiler to go APESHIT whenever he said "Down, Fido!"
The dog's name wasn't Fido.
It was hilarious and useful, because anytime some d-bag got too close to the wife or kid, "DOWN, FIDO!"

^^That shit? Frakkin cool.

On my list of usefull dog tricks, way above crap like 'shake hands' and 'roll over' and much closer to 'sic balls!'
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby doc66 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:46 am

Kutter_0311 wrote:On my list of usefull dog tricks, way above crap like 'shake hands' and 'roll over' and much closer to 'sic balls!'


The command for my GSD was "Bite his balls!"

It worked well.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Kutter_0311 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:23 am

doc66 wrote:
Kutter_0311 wrote:On my list of usefull dog tricks, way above crap like 'shake hands' and 'roll over' and much closer to 'sic balls!'
The command for my GSD was "Bite his balls!" It worked well.

Ever have cause to use it on one of your daughter's BF's? Or does her M4 pretty much cover that?

I only ask because I'm about 12 years behind you there, and my daughter already talks to strange men I don't aprove of :roll:
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Browning 35 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:36 am

Greg Focker wrote:
Bearcat wrote:
crypto wrote:Someone with an arfcom account needs to post the pic of the police report over there to make that one dude stop calling shenanigans.

Who cares what some armchair warrior thinks?

I'm sure most of the guys stridently calling bullshit are keyboard qualified chairborne rangers, but as my buddy is fond of saying, "sometimes you just get the urge to break it off in the douchebag's ass". So, yeah, I second crypto's motion...

I actually already posted the police report over there (same day you posted it here), it's on the second page towards the bottom.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1271014_AAR_from_walking_into_a_burglary_in_progress___.html&page=2

Basically the thread died a horrible death once that happened as all the douchebags weren't able to call 'Bullshit' anymore.

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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby doc66 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:42 am

Kutter_0311 wrote:Ever have cause to use it on one of your daughter's BF's? Or does her M4 pretty much cover that?

I only ask because I'm about 12 years behind you there, and my daughter already talks to strange men I don't aprove of :roll:


Haha! She was too young for boyfriends when Mel was around! Now they are afraid of me; they think that I don't like them (I don't as a rule) and can easily destroy their world with a simple word; which I can, with a word to Junior about what an idiot I think they are. :evil: The M4 is just a bonus. But let's say that you will have the strange men problem for the rest of your life.
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby jamoni » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:00 pm

doc66 wrote:
Kutter_0311 wrote:On my list of usefull dog tricks, way above crap like 'shake hands' and 'roll over' and much closer to 'sic balls!'


The command for my GSD was "Bite his balls!"

It worked well.

There's such a thing as deniability. :)
The reverse psychology is nice.
If you're holding him back, and he's flipping out, and you're like, "Back fido!" you can look at the guys and go "You better back off, I don't know how much longer I can hold him!"
Also, it means you didn't commit assault by ordering your dog to attack. :)
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Re: AAR from walking into a burglary-in-progress at my house

Postby Greg Focker » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:56 am

Browning 35 wrote:
Greg Focker wrote:I'm sure most of the guys stridently calling bullshit are keyboard qualified chairborne rangers, but as my buddy is fond of saying, "sometimes you just get the urge to break it off in the douchebag's ass". So, yeah, I second crypto's motion...

I actually already posted the police report over there (same day you posted it here), it's on the second page towards the bottom.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1271014_AAR_from_walking_into_a_burglary_in_progress___.html&page=2

Basically the thread died a horrible death once that happened as all the douchebags weren't able to call 'Bullshit' anymore.

Don't expect apologies or even an answer from idiots.

I saw that, and I appreciate that. But would you bump that thread one more time and tell them that the real OP wants to hear LarryTheAssPirate's opinion on how many carets of shit that thread is composed of now? :lol:
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