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Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Biggin » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:43 pm

What I have: 2007 Toyota Tundra SR5, double cab, 5.7L V8, TRD off-road package, 2 wheel drive (biggest mistake evar). KBB value on it is around $16,000

What I want: Midsize SUV that still has the "sport utility" in there and isn't all luxuried out.

I'm getting 4wd this go round, no question. It's not going to be a dedicated muddin' truck or anything like that, just my new day to day driver. I'd like something that is reliable, gas mileage doesn't need to be outstanding but not terrible either, but if I get in a pickle it can perform adequately off the paved roads. I regularly make multiple hour drives on the interstate, so I'd like to be able to still do that somewhat comfortably and easily.

Automatic transmission is preferred but not a must. AUX port for ipod/AM FM radio plus plenty of DC plug-ins are kind of a must to keep me sane over long trips. AC is a must with the Louisiana summers.

My long list is as follows:

Nissan: Xterra, Pathfinder
Toyota: FJ Cruise, 4runner, RAV4
Honda: CRV, Pilot
Jeep: Wrangler

Buying vehicles new is stupid, I'd prefer to go used.

Price range: New under $30,000 list price, Used... no idea what's reasonable.

Basically I need your help shortening my long list to a short list based on personal experience, mechanical expertise, or whatever you might have to offer. All input is greatly appreciated! :mrgreen:
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Tater Raider » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:51 am

JK Wrangler has a couple 12v DC outlets and a 120v AC inverter outlet for charging the cell phone. I'm not sure on the TJ. Don't go older than the TJ though unless you also plan to buy a trailer if you have/plan to have any sort of family as lack of cargo space becomes an issue. TJ Unlimited is somewhat and JK Unlimited are family of 4 compatible. And I'd still prefer an FJ Cruiser over the JK I ended up getting (and I'd marry my Jeep if I could 8-) ). YMMV.

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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Coal-Cracker » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:26 am

Tater Raider wrote:JK Wrangler has a couple 12v DC outlets and a 120v AC inverter outlet for charging the cell phone. I'm not sure on the TJ. Don't go older than the TJ though unless you also plan to buy a trailer if you have/plan to have any sort of family as lack of cargo space becomes an issue. TJ Unlimited is somewhat and JK Unlimited are family of 4 compatible. And I'd still prefer an FJ Cruiser over the JK I ended up getting (and I'd marry my Jeep if I could 8-) ). YMMV.

Hopefully others can give you something else good/negative on the rest.


My '97 TJ didn't have an AC inverter. Hell, it didn't even have air conditioning. :lol:

To the OP.
Of the ones you listed I've owned:

'97 TJ Wrangler Sport. Very spartan jeep compared to the newer JK models. Great motor in the 4.0, but limited carrying capacity. Avoid the 4 cylinder models, if possible. Rubicons are very desirable. As are the LJs (TJ "Unlimited"), if you can find one. No major mechanical issues.

'99 4Runner "Highlander" Sport. Great vehicle. Very reliable. Roomy, without being too big. Good cargo space. The Highlander package came with 4.10 gearing which is nice on the hills where I live. Probably sat the highest (factory) out of all the later year 4Runners I've compared it to. Mine was a stick with a rear locker. (I miss that vehicle.)

'03 Xterra. Reliable. Anemic motor. I believe it's been replaced since with more HP in newer models. Didn't have any major mechanical issues with it, but to be fair, I didn't have it that long (+/- 30,000 miles) as my job changed and I needed something with better gas mileage.

'07 JK Wrangler (2 Door) Sahara. Okay power. Great offroad capability and aftermarket support. Stock Dana 44 rear and 4.10 gears (factory option with my year). Limited cargo capacity, though roof racks are readily available in many sizes. Other cargo options are hitch carriers and spare tire cargo racks. JK is a more comfortable on-road drive than previous models, but you will still know you're in a Jeep. :lol: Many power complaints will be heard about the motor. Not really noticeable with the 2 door, more so with the heavier 4 door. Gets worse if (when :D ) you "upgrade" the tires, wheels, armor, etc. If you are considering a 4 door and a new vehicle isn't out of the question, look into the 2012 as they increased the HP from 202 to 285. Rubicons are very desirable if you plan to offroad it, as it will come from the factory with lockers, 4.10 gears, Dana 44 front and rear, etc.,. Ready to perform out of the box. Most consider them the most offroad capable factory vehicle you can buy.

Of the ones I've owned, the 4Runner was the nicest road ride, with adequate offroad performance. I admit, I never really offroaded it in anything too difficult. Absolutely incredible in the snow.
The JK is the best offroad vehicle I've owned. Amazing where they can go stock. Even more amazing when you start modding. Road manners aren't bad (better than previous Wranglers) and I don't hesitate to take it on long trips, but it is a trade-off for offroad capability. Take a long test drive before you buy a Wrangler. They aren't for everyone.

What I've learned with my purchases was that IFS is nice for getting groceries in bad weather, but give me a solid axle any day for offroad performance. You have to decide where you want to focus.


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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Regular Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:37 am

I have an 02 Xterra and it's great apart from the no matter what 17 MPG. No mechanical issues. The new X has a lot more HP and way better gas milage. My buddy had a new X for 3 years and never had an issue with it. He was getting 23 mpg. I have a buddy that has a 1st Gen X with 150,000 with zero issues.
I would not go Jeep, just too small and no storage.
The FJ is cool but a little small for me. 4 Runners rock, all of them.
Avoid the Pathfinder, I've seen a few have major issues for no good reason.
My brother had a CRV, nice little truck but no offroad ability and the little 4 cly engine was not adequate.
I have no experience with the other vehicles.

Of all the vehicles on the list, I'd get a X. They are the most affordable and very mechanically sound while having reasonable gas milage.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Biggin » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:34 pm

Thanks for all the input guys.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Xterra or the Jeep Rubicon. The FJ is still on the list because our dealership here wheels and deals really nicely. I'm gonna test drive the three then make a decision.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby offcamber » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:46 pm

I vote for an 05+ Xterra Offroad.

I'm supremely biased though, lol.

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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby KJ4VOV » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:52 pm

I didn't look at it from a BOV perspective, but the wife and I just spent a week out in Monterey Bay, CA and rented a 2012 Ford Escape for the trip. I was pretty impressed with it. That 3.0L V6 under the hood had it accelerating like a scalded cat (we timed it once getting on to Highway 1 as 10-65mph in around 4 seconds with four adults aboard). No idea what its true off-road capability might be like, but we did have it on dirt and loose sand trails a few times and had no problems at all. Seated four adults comfortably with four large suitcases in the back. It did have an iPod (aux) input on the model we rented.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Tater Raider » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:04 pm

Biggin wrote:I'm gonna test drive the three then make a decision.

Long test drives if you can. :)

Looking forward to hearing what you end up with!
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby wagdhead » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:31 pm

My background on vehicles, I buy new ones every 2 years or so, and all are Mid-size Suv's. My goal when making a selection is to keep the cost under 30k and be reliable enough my mechanic has to ask who I am. Also, I buy vehicles for my five outside salesmen as well, we have a mix mash based on priced and availability.

Let me correct something, the corporation buys new the suv's :D . We turn them because after 2 years or so they have 120k+ on them, so my posterior has allot of road miles in several of the vehicles you are looking into.

Usage: mainly highway with a fair amount of miles running in contruction sites and allot of time in the mud/snow during hunting season, so they get used pretty hard.

Nissan:
Xterra: meh..good around town car and fairly decent off road, but awful on the long haul.
Pathfinder: Good all around, more comfortable on the highway, but not quite as good offroad.
Toyota: FJ Cruise:one of my favorites, but that little two door thing gets really old, FAST
4runner: last one I owned was early '90s so I can't give an accurate opionion of the newer models.
Honda: Pilot: great daily driver and highway car, not real good in the nasty stuff.
Jeep: Wrangler: nice off road , but I consider them more "fun" cars, and not a real consideration for my needs due them not being practical for long haul driving.
I will add my current vehicle: Jeep Grand Cherokee: actually turning in something I might turn into our first company standard car. Great on the highway, better than average off road for the type of vehicle, and good around town. I get 19 mpg, whcih isn't wonderful but fair. I bought the last two at $24,500 new .

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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Paladin1 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:56 pm

wagdhead wrote:My background on vehicles, I buy new ones every 2 years or so, and all are Mid-size Suv's. My goal when making a selection is to keep the cost under 30k and be reliable enough my mechanic has to ask who I am. Also, I buy vehicles for my five outside salesmen as well, we have a mix mash based on priced and availability.

Let me correct something, the corporation buys new the suv's :D . We turn them because after 2 years or so they have 120k+ on them, so my posterior has allot of road miles in several of the vehicles you are looking into.

Usage: mainly highway with a fair amount of miles running in contruction sites and allot of time in the mud/snow during hunting season, so they get used pretty hard.

Nissan:
Xterra: meh..good around town car and fairly decent off road, but awful on the long haul.
Pathfinder: Good all around, more comfortable on the highway, but not quite as good offroad.
Toyota: FJ Cruise:one of my favorites, but that little two door thing gets really old, FAST
4runner: last one I owned was early '90s so I can't give an accurate opionion of the newer models.
Honda: Pilot: great daily driver and highway car, not real good in the nasty stuff.
Jeep: Wrangler: nice off road , but I consider them more "fun" cars, and not a real consideration for my needs due them not being practical for long haul driving.
I will add my current vehicle: Jeep Grand Cherokee: actually turning in something I might turn into our first company standard car. Great on the highway, better than average off road for the type of vehicle, and good around town. I get 19 mpg, whcih isn't wonderful but fair. I bought the last two at $24,500 new .

Good luck.


I have driven every one of these vehicles except the Pilot, some for longer periods than others, and I agree with the assessment.

Do you want to bias it towards off road or road driving is the question. The Jeep Wrangler & Xterra work great off road but are sprung a tad stiffly.

For a good balance between on and off road I would go with the Jeep Grand Cherokee (w/ Quadra Drive II) or the 4Runner. The newer 4Runners are really nice compared to the older ones. I went with the Grand Cherokee myself because of the very sophisticated 4wd system. But either is a winner in my book.

PS. Offcamber's Xterra rocks!
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Biggin » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:49 pm

Alright guys, I went and looked at/test drove an Xterra here in town. I reallllly like it. It wasn't 4wd so I'm sure the ride was a little smoother than the 4wd version. They have the exact one I want on the lot in their riot shield black or whatever silly name it has. I wanted something other than black (hot, hard to keep clean, scratches easily, but damn it sure is sexy). I'm going to price it out at a few places within 100 or so miles of home then start dealing.

Jeep turned me off 1) too small, more of a toy to me 2) the dealership here is full of smoke blowing rednecks. I don't know if he though I was a moron or what but they had a nice looking Rubicon on the lot (used) with 46k miles on it. It's jacked up, huge tires on it and a winch. He tried to tell me it had never been taken off-road. I got down and looked underneath it...caked with mud... he lied to me. He tried to play dumb and say they missed that. :roll:

Thanks for the help. Still will be like a month or so before I commit, but I have the list shortened to one.

What I like about the Xterra? SPACE... so much space compared to the other two. It has decent acceleration and gas mileage that is on par with the others. They are capable off-road and there are tons of ways to accessorize them if I decide it needs it. Pics, obviously, once the new one is finally home with me.
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Postby Regular Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Xterra parts. WWW.4x4parts.com
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Biggin » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:56 pm

Regular Guy wrote:Xterra parts. http://WWW.4x4parts.com


Damnit, RG, you are TRYING to get me to spend money, huh?


The one big thing I want to change is rip out the carpet and get something like a tough liner on the inside that's easy to clean and doesn't stain.

Recs on that?
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Postby Regular Guy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:45 pm

Rhino liner would replace the carpet nicely.
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Postby TXwaterdog » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:39 pm

The xterra is a nice ride but I'd buy the Toyota FJ.







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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby ZombieSoldier01 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:32 am

From hat list, in no particular order, the 3 I would consider us the fj cruiser, the xterra, and wrangler.
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Postby Braxton » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:39 am

FJ.


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Postby EdRider » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:44 am

Trade for a new double cab 4x4 Tundra. Gives you the best of all of what you are looking for: "OK" mileage, 4x4, double cab, comfortable highway miles and you already like the
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I have 185,000 on my 2006 Tundra 4x4 and have had nothing break yet. Only done routine maint and tires.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Hoppy » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:32 am

Trade for a 4X4 Ford or... Chevy ...pickup

aside from that

a Jeep Wrangler is a bit small for "midsized" class. We have owned old jeeps (88 wrangler saharas) and they were FANTASTIC cars a blast to drive, plenty of grip, just awesome. Jeep was 2nd in the short list of my last buy (F150 won)

Sister has an Xtera... its... OK.

whats the likely hood of off road? the new Ford EccoBoost engine mixes power and economy in the new F150, Escape and Explorer.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Tater Raider » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:57 am

Biggin wrote:The one big thing I want to change is rip out the carpet and get something like a tough liner on the inside that's easy to clean and doesn't stain.

Recs on that?

I did that with the Wrangler and color matched it. I highly recommend this if any off-roading or hard use is planned. DIY roll-on liners work nicely too if you're on a budget.
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Postby Big Gulp » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:15 am

FJ's are less effective if you actually need to travel off road. Every trail I have run in Moab where there was a FJ in the group, it was constantly struggling at obstacles. I had to strap a few up fairly easy obstacles for my Jeep. Granted a lot of it was probably driver error. The IFS is not ideal for rock crawling and they have very poor driver visibility.

As a general rule I stay away from anything with IFS. Or anything foreign for that matter.(I grew up in Detroit and my Dad worked for Chrysler so I am extremely biased)

I have a 05 LJ Rubicon and I love it.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:09 am

Big Gulp wrote:BLAH BLAH 'MURRHICAN HATE TOYOTA :mrgreen:

The after market for the WJ and LJ are better than any of the other vehicles and they are AMERICAN!


Owned by Daimler-Chrysler Corporation, a GERMAN company. [Removed because not relevant] The Wrangler was beaten out on a list of top "American" cars (75% of parts and assembly must be US soucred) by a bunch of Toyotas, Fords, and Hondas.
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Re: Trading my Tundra for a midsize SUV, halp me choose

Postby Tommy Tran » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:14 pm

4Runner or upgrade to a 4wd Tundra...

Although I might be biased cause I work for Toyota lol
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