Chinese Military (Wonder) Shovel Review (56K Death)

[awe4fire]

well i have west german shovel stamped 1968 haven't had a complain yet with it. My aunt thought i was silly when i dug up her ushes with it instead of a regulr shovel. so i did one her was and took twice as long and needed a axe for the roots. the other 5 i did with my silly folding shovel.

[Israel]

Awesome review, very informative. I never really found a need for an e tool though, I don't dig a whole lot

The ability to dig is useful, but the point was the versatility and durability of this particular E-tool. Plus, for the weight of a shovel or hatchet (The two most useful functions) you get both and more.

Ok, I admit it, this was primarily a frivolous purchase for the hell of it. I did however end up on the winning side with this one.

[RepeatDefender]

This review seals the deal. I'm getting one of these. It will go nicely with my other Chicom gear.

[Lawmaker]

Something just arrived.



Going to go and play with it this weekend and post a review later. It is the Extreme Version as promised free upgrade. First impressions; solid, cant tell it is hollow, real lock nut with washer, entire shovel has an edge (not super sharp but dangerous enough). There is a compartment door. Yea so having trouble opening it.

Came with personally signed letter apologizing for the wait, thanking me for patience and what they have improved in their systems.

More to come.

Sorry it has been a while. Life has gotten in the way of me using this. Going camping this weekend with a bunch of friends. Will be reviewing a few things.

Crovel Extreme
Diamond 3man tent
Goal Zero Serpa 120, UI, Nomad 27M, Light a life

[RepeatDefender]

Just ordered one. Should be here by next weekend. I'm feeling a camping trip coming on!!!

[JTNieman]

Just ordered one. Should be here by next weekend. I'm feeling a camping trip coming on!!!

pics or gtfo

dgrail on IRC just got one too.

Pretty soon I'm going to -have- to get one, else I'll be the only cool kid lacking one. Soon. Sooooon.

[clc]

Im surprised more haven't mentioned using it as a weapon. The Russians and Germans trained with it all throught WWII for hand to hand combat. Hit someone in the neck or under the chin with that thing and you'll punch someones ticket.

[Jeriah]

Im surprised more haven't mentioned using it as a weapon. The Russians and Germans trained with it all throught WWII for hand to hand combat. Hit someone in the neck or under the chin with that thing and you'll punch someones ticket.

The US military "Combatives" manual covers the use of the E-tool as a weapon as well. This manual is available for free online, just search for "US military combatives manual." It covers hand-to-hand, knife fighting, bayonet fighting, the use of the stick or staff, and the E-tool, among others.

[JTNieman]

Im surprised more haven't mentioned using it as a weapon. The Russians and Germans trained with it all throught WWII for hand to hand combat. Hit someone in the neck or under the chin with that thing and you'll punch someones ticket.

Probably because we're a preparedness forum so we assume the better answer is "well I already have the right tool for that job on hand already"

Not always the case, but I've found that ZS is typically not keen on discussing the best way to use an IMPROVISED weapon/tool, and would rather prepare ahead of time with the PROPER weapon/tool.

[clc]

^
Is it not aloud? I would actuallly pick a E-tool over another weapon due to the extra reach and added energy. I've learned a good bit from the German manuals fromm WWII.

[JTNieman]

^
Is it not aloud?

No, you need a text-to-speech application for that to occur.

I would actuallly pick a E-tool over another weapon due to the extra reach and added energy. I've learned a good bit from the German manuals fromm WWII.

Your E-tool can reach further than a 147gr bullet going at 1300 fps?

[Israel]

In my defense, I DID clobber a Zed analogue. I also agree that an appropriate firearm would be more effective.

[clc]

Probably because we're a preparedness forum so we assume the better answer is "well I already have the right tool for that job on hand already"
Not always the case, but I've found that ZS is typically not keen on discussing the best way to use an IMPROVISED weapon/tool, and would rather prepare ahead of time with the PROPER weapon/tool.

Excuse my poor grammar buddy but are we not to discuss any IMPROVISED weapons? From the threads I read some people aren't as prepared as they would like.

Your E-tool can reach further than a 147gr bullet going at 1300 fps?

Notice I said hand to hand. I didn't know zombies carried guns.

[JTNieman]

Probably because we're a preparedness forum so we assume the better answer is "well I already have the right tool for that job on hand already"
Not always the case, but I've found that ZS is typically not keen on discussing the best way to use an IMPROVISED weapon/tool, and would rather prepare ahead of time with the PROPER weapon/tool.

Excuse my poor grammar buddy but are we not to discuss any IMPROVISED weapons? From the threads I read some people aren't as prepared as they would like.

Your E-tool can reach further than a 147gr bullet going at 1300 fps?

Notice I said hand to hand. I didn't know zombies carried guns.

I never said you couldn't discuss it. I just said that the most common thing I've seen on the forum is that people discuss the ideal, rather than plans to have to use improvised tools. It's an observation that I figured explained your question. Take it or leave it.

Zombies don't have to carry guns for me to.

[Cpt. MelonBuster]

Notice I said hand to hand. I didn't know zombies carried guns.

I feel like I need to point out that we don't ACTUALLY believe in zombies here. They are a metaphor that represents any disaster we might be preparing for.

Because if you're prepared for zombies, you're probably prepared for anything.

[JTNieman]

Notice I said hand to hand. I didn't know zombies carried guns.

I feel like I need to point out that we don't ACTUALLY believe in zombies here. They are a metaphor that represents any disaster we might be preparing for.

Because if you're prepared for zombies, you're probably prepared for anything.

Some of us prepare for zombies. Don't be a jerk about it.

[clc]

I just said that the most common thing I've seen on the forum is that people discuss the ideal, rather than plans to have to use improvised tools.

I don't see how what I said is ideal at all. You pick up the shovel and swing it = weapon in a pinch.

I feel like I need to point out that we don't ACTUALLY believe in zombies here. They are a metaphor that represents any disaster we might be preparing for.Because if you're prepared for zombies, you're probably prepared for anything.

I actually understand this I just didnt think

Your E-tool can reach further than a 147gr bullet going at 1300 fps?

had anything to do with tactical fighting spades lol.
http://www.germanmanuals.com/images/CC-87.jpg

[JTNieman]

Jesus dude. You said you were surprised no one has discussed using it as a weapon (aside from the OP who did display it's bludgeoning power) and I told you my impression of the forum at large, and why you shouldn't be too surprised.

I didn't mean to start a major textual skirmish.

[clc]

sorry I didnt mean to kill the thread just thought it was worth noting a E-tool could make a quick defensive weapon.

[LBB]

^
Is it not aloud?

No, you need a text-to-speech application for that to occur.

I would actuallly pick a E-tool over another weapon due to the extra reach and added energy. I've learned a good bit from the German manuals fromm WWII.

Your E-tool can reach further than a 147gr bullet going at 1300 fps?

They showed in more than one educational show, that a tomwahawk can go through a PAsgt helmet with no problem. At times when a bullet can't.

being first doesn't mean you are the winner.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Eight rounds of .45 ACP vs. your 1 Tomahawk.
28 rounds of 5.56 SOST vs. your 1 Tomahawk.

Really a discussion you want to have?

[LBB]

Eight rounds of .45 ACP vs. your 1 Tomahawk.
28 rounds of 5.56 SOST vs. your 1 Tomahawk.

Really a discussion you want to have?

I think you didn't get it.

[ei8htx]

^Is it not aloud?

No, you need a text-to-speech application for that to occur.

"allowed"

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Eight rounds of .45 ACP vs. your 1 Tomahawk.
28 rounds of 5.56 SOST vs. your 1 Tomahawk.

Really a discussion you want to have?

I think you didn't get it.

I think the correct statement was, the tomahawk/E-tool makes a decent last ditch. It is not the best, nor even a top ten option.

Edit for clarity.