Lever Guns Talk Thread

[roscoe]

The most compact and affordable leverguns right now are the Puma 1892 clones. With the compact 1892 action and the 16" barrel they are really amazingly small, but pack a whallop. You could easily hide that thing in a decent-sized internal frame backpack and no one would be the wiser. I bought one a couple of years ago for $400. Mine has the normal loop, which I much prefer. They need a few things done to them to make them perfect - I took off the dorky safety, replaced the plastic follower and replaced the rear sight elevator that came too short. So, for an additional $15, you have one of the most versatile rifles out there. In fact, if you have just one rifle, a 16" Puma in .357 is hard to beat. There is very little you cannot do with it inside 150 yards.

[MVegas]

I've typed it before and I'll type it again: pistol carbine lever action rifles are at ridiculous prices.

Is this a new thing or has it always been such? I was never in the market for one until 2009 so I never knew what the prices were.

ETA: and yes, the issue with the 94 stated above probably had a lot to do with the difference in bullet size and action. Winchester always had some reputation for that. Back when I had my 94 I took some kids (18-19 yo) out to shoot and they kept short stroking the 30-30 and my Dad said Winchesters always had that issue.

To supercede any pie v. cake - Marlins are heavy as fuck if you carry one all day long. Winchester are nice and light. Perfect truck gun ... and why I wish I had not sold mine.

It wasn't that long ago they were half what they are now.

And I put one of those Ramline synthetic stocks on my 336. Made a BIG difference.

Does anyone of you Leverholics happen to have an SBR´ed .44mag? (Or Rossi Ranch Hand?)

I´m thinking about getting a Rossi in .44 and cut the barrel back somewhere between 12 and 14" . That´d be vicious.

Since there are no SBR laws here, it will still be a normal Rifle as long as i keep the min. OAL in mind. Thoughts and input?

I know there's a Kiwi around here somewhere with a .357 cut to 12" and suppressed........
I'll look for the thread when I have a chance.

[Gun_Nut_2k1]

I know there's a Kiwi around here somewhere with a .357 cut to 12" and suppressed........
I'll look for the thread when I have a chance.

You mean this thread?

Damn, those are some nice levers!


My baby, Rossi M92, .357mag/.38spl, Suppressor, 13.5" Barrel, 5 round mag tube, Bushnell Trophy 2-6x32 Long Eye Relief Scope.
Shooting .38spl subs it's ridiculously quiet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvnYp7KdmiI

Cheers,
Sean.

[MVegas]

That's the one!

That is one sexy G-D lever gun.

It's like if the DeLisle was a lever! In other words, even more awesome!

[ninja-elbow]

Seeing that SBRed suppressed lever gun just made me change my whole gun purchase plan. That thing is kind of awesome, but would cost a whole bunch by my guess.

ball park - without looking any of this stuff up and all guesses:
rifle: $800 ****ETA: Cut down Rossi = $500??
SBR stramp: $200
suppressor stamp: $200
suppressor: $600

...is this even close?

F-it, sticking with supressed 10/22 plan

[Cpt. MelonBuster]

ball park - without looking any of this stuff up and all guesses:
rifle: $800 ****ETA: Cut down Rossi = $500??
SBR stramp: $200
suppressor stamp: $200
suppressor: $600

Not for the kiwi's. They pay half of what we do for suppressors, and don't pay any tax stamps for suppressors or SBRs.

[ninja-elbow]

That probably draws a good $500 out of the theoretical equation.

[xLionx]

That probably draws a good $500 out of the theoretical equation.

ball park - without looking any of this stuff up and all guesses:
rifle: $800 ****ETA: Cut down Rossi = $500??
SBR stramp: [s]$200[/s]
suppressor stamp: [s]$200[/s]
suppressor: [s]$600[/s] $300

Not for the kiwi's. They pay half of what we do for suppressors, and don't pay any tax stamps for suppressors or SBRs.

-$700

[BullOnParade]

ball park - without looking any of this stuff up and all guesses:
rifle: $800 ****ETA: Cut down Rossi = $500??
SBR stramp: $200
suppressor stamp: $200
suppressor: $600

Not for the kiwi's. They pay half of what we do for suppressors, and don't pay any tax stamps for suppressors or SBRs.

Is this because their population doesn't want the noise pollution? I've heard of shooters in the UK who are required to have suppressors on all of their guns when shooting in the range so that they don't disturb the neighbourhood. Here in Canada the gov'ment thinks you want to be an assassin if you want a suppressor ...

[Dooms]

My Marlin 336Y came today. Makes a nice partner to my Henry H001Y.



Haven't shot it yet, but my initial impressions are good. My only gripe is that the wood isn't nearly as nice as my Henry, but I can live with that if it shoots and functions well. Hopefully I'll get a chance to take it to the range this week.

[ninja-elbow]

That probably draws a good $500 out of the theoretical equation.

ball park - without looking any of this stuff up and all guesses:
rifle: $800 ****ETA: Cut down Rossi = $500??
SBR stramp: [s]$200[/s]
suppressor stamp: [s]$200[/s]
suppressor: [s]$600[/s] $300

Not for the kiwi's. They pay half of what we do for suppressors, and don't pay any tax stamps for suppressors or SBRs.

-$700

Well ... we get... as many pistols as we want...

[Odd Man Out]

I've been looking for a take down .357 lever. I found this http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/ ... mid=534167. Its just what I want but I can't see spending over $1500.00 for a pack rifle.

Does anyone else make a take down in .357?

[ncpatrolar]

I've been looking for a take down .357 lever. I found this http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/ ... mid=534167. Its just what I want but I can't see spending over $1500.00 for a pack rifle.

Does anyone else make a take down in .357?

I'm pretty sure Wild West Guns does. http://www.wildwestguns.com

[roscoe]

I've been looking for a take down .357 lever. I found this http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/ ... mid=534167. Its just what I want but I can't see spending over $1500.00 for a pack rifle.

Does anyone else make a take down in .357?

I'm pretty sure Wild West Guns does. http://www.wildwestguns.com

The Wild West version is only for Marlins, and it is not much cheaper. Someone needs to come up with a take-down for only $150 more than the standard model. Winchester used to do it, and before they went under they had plans to release an affordable model.

[Odd Man Out]

That Winchester that I posted the link to is a new model that is due out this fall. Maybe someone else will follow suite and bring one out.

I think the Winchester (or clone) and a S&W 627 would be a nice combo.

[Gaston]

I do not like reading things like this.......

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/robert-farago/unfired-marlin-1894c-splits-in-pieces/

And from the article:

Remington’s PR person is on the case.

Hmmm, I think I see the problem. Remington's QC and corner-cutting has been getting progressively worse over time - the guy who designed the 700 had a full-length TV documentary on the problem, and IIRC he quit working for them because he felt that some of their cost-cutting shortcuts made at least that particular rifle dangerous - and he was talking about Vietnam War era production. It's hard to find a recent copy of American Rifleman that doesn't have one or two "DO NOT FIRE THIS WEAPON/AMMO" recalls from Remington. Damned shame, I liked Remington back in the day and had one tack-driving M700 Varmint in .22-.250, but do not want to own one of current manufacture (despite being something of a hardcore 870 fan).

Waaaaaaay back when I was 19 -20 years old, the local Wal-Mart wouldn't sell me .44 magnum boolitz for my TimberWolf pump-rifle cause, as the manager put it, "the .44 is for pistols and you have to be 21 to buy pistol ammo".

Waaay back when I was 19-20, Walmart only had stores in Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri and Oklahoma. Also, rocks were still soft.

Wait! So are you saying they had Wal-Marts in the Revolutionary War????

No, we made our own guns out of trees and by hammering out iron bloom, AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY.

Is this because their population doesn't want the noise pollution? I've heard of shooters in the UK who are required to have suppressors on all of their guns when shooting in the range so that they don't disturb the neighbourhood. Here in Canada the gov'ment thinks you want to be an assassin if you want a suppressor ...

I don't know if that's the reason, but it's a very good reason - with forensics as they are today I doubt suppressed weapons would help a criminal all that much in escaping the long arm of the law. I have hearing impairment (and tinnitus that's at times maddening) from working in mining (and all those rounds of hot .357's in a 4" Python without ear protection didn't help, either, nor did being a rock drummer), and I'd welcome a quietened firearm. In fact, I could likely get a fair amount of practice in my yard; I have a same place to shoot and a good backdrop, I just don't want to subject the neighbors to the noise. They're good neighbors, and I want to maintain that relationship by being a good neighbor, too.

Sorry for all the disconnected comments, I hang out more at the handgun forum and while I like lever actions (especially the Savage 99-A), I'd missed this thread until now.

Now, back to the topic at hand - I can't believe I haven't seen any mad puppy love for the Marlin .444. That's one of the most pleasantly surprising rifles I've ever owned or shot. The loads with the 265 grain (I haven't fired the LeveRevolution version) drop pretty quickly past around 150 yards, but it's surprising how flat the 240 grain loads shoot out to 200 and a bit. I think the fact that the 240 load factory rounds were originally loaded with thin-jacketed pistol bullets really hurt the cartridge, as they had something of a reputation for "blowing up" on big bones of big game. Loaded with the right bullets, it's an impressive round and I loved my Marlin. That's one chambering where the Accu-groove style rifling really comes into its own.

[RickOShea]

Now, back to the topic at hand - I can't believe I haven't seen any mad puppy love for the Marlin .444. That's one of the most pleasantly surprising rifles I've ever owned or shot. The loads with the 265 grain (I haven't fired the LeveRevolution version) drop pretty quickly past around 150 yards, but it's surprising how flat the 240 grain loads shoot out to 200 and a bit. I think the fact that the 240 load factory rounds were originally loaded with thin-jacketed pistol bullets really hurt the cartridge, as they had something of a reputation for "blowing up" on big bones of big game. Loaded with the right bullets, it's an impressive round and I loved my Marlin. That's one chambering where the Accu-groove style rifling really comes into its own.

A co-worker of mine had a .444 Marlin for atleast fifteen years and he often spoke of it's virtues...... But he dumped it pretty quick and got himself a .450 Marlin soon after they came out.

[MVegas]

I really like .450 Marlin's numbers. I really dislike how few manufacturers make anything for it.

[w3rdtoyamama]

Shot my H001 this weekend. Only 200rds of Federal 525 (blue champion box). Using my spinner targets, I got shooting quick and hitting the targets. I havent shot this gun since last year, but Ive shot my 10/22 quite a bit this year. I need to shoot the H001 more often, even though its more of a pain to load. It's worth it since it doesnt jam or misfire (only 1 misfire since I bought in Memorial Day weekend 2010 and 2k+ rounds). Only misfire was from a Remington Golden Bullet, even shooting 100's of those.

Ahh 22's. I love em!

[Dooms]

I have to say, my Henry H001Y is one of my favorite firearms. It looks nice, it's reliable, the action is smooth, it's surprisingly accurate, and it didn't cost an arm and a leg. Plus, it's all made right here in the USA, and any time I read about Henry's customer service, it seems they are willing to go above and beyond to make sure the customer is satisfied. Which, I'm sad to say, is rare these days.

[w3rdtoyamama]

I have to say, my Henry H001Y is one of my favorite firearms. It looks nice, it's reliable, the action is smooth, it's surprisingly accurate, and it didn't cost an arm and a leg. Plus, it's all made right here in the USA, and any time I read about Henry's customer service, it seems they are willing to go above and beyond to make sure the customer is satisfied. Which, I'm sad to say, is rare these days.

Exactly. The guys on Rimfire Central are doing something special for Mr. I for his birthday. Take a look HERE

I just put a drop or 2 of rem oil on the lever action to keep it smooth. But, you hit it right on the head. Makes me want to buy more of their firearms to support them. Would like a Big Boy.

[Hachiman]

Can someone chime in on the accuracy you get out of your scoped Marlin 336?

[MVegas]

Can someone chime in on the accuracy you get out of your scoped Marlin 336?

I've only ever put a red dot on mine, but I was getting 2-ish MOA with Hornady .30-30 160gr FTX. Ultimately didn't care for it and went back to GRS for now (Shopping for a scope for the fall now as a matter of fact. I think I'm gonna put a Burris Timberline on it.).

[mk_ultra]

Thought this was cool . Custom Browning BLR.

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=84469