hand to hand combat with a zombie (my first post)

[headshot420]

hi i've just joined this forum i'm a 24 year old martial artist and i have wondered what i would do when face to face with a zombie so here it is....

For those familiar with mixed martial arts you will know that the primary stand up style for most fighters is muay thai and for good reason, a fighter with a well developed muay thai or kickboxing style is like a sniper. you target a vunerble body part and attack fast, hard and offten but when talking about zombies you have to be careful what body part to target, so heres what i'd do.....

ok so having a zombie for an opponent is kinda strange you can't hit the face because you put yourself in danger of a bite or maybie a virus from spit, who knows? all i know is its not safe
it's also gonna be a bad idea to attack the body incase your arm or leg is caught and cut by finger nails or whatever else, an open wound is an invite for virus's

so you should attack the legs using only kicks (kicks performed with the shin and not the foot as the foot does not generate the same force and is also broken easily and thats the last thing you'd need) try to deliver the kick and move backward as this will force the zombie to follow you forward putting weight on his/her increasingly weak legs, also the zombie will lose balance and eventually drop

HOW TO FINISH A ZOMBIE!!
ok so you have followed instructions and you're zombie opponent is on the floor you must kill the zombie but also be aware that it can be just as dangerous from the ground, you will need to be wearing steel toe boots with a thick tough sole, now position your right foot (based on orthodox, for southpaw use left foot) across the neck and chin of your grounded opponent the toe end of your foot should be place on the right or left side of the jaw (NOT near mouth!!!!) and your heel should be just next to the wind pipe on the right or left of the neck. now from that position put weight pressure on your heel crushing the windpipe (be carefull to avoid the zombies arms as it will be trying to push away your foot) now dig into the neck with your heel and quickly lift your foot stomping the ball of your foot against the side of the zombies jaw and your heel back into the throat, now you have a zombie that can't walk, bite or breathe.again using your strongest foot stomp the bridge of the zombies nose between the eyes (the skull will cave pretty easilly with the lack of support from having no jaw and being between eye sockets) and fianaly with the heel of your boot keep digging into the broken skull and don't stop untill there is no more movement

[TheLastRifleMan]

Hello and welcome. You might want to go over to the introductions thread and tell us a little bit more about yourself and how you found us.

Also, the rules section is also a real good area to look into.

[ausher]

I would do a judo chop to the back
of the head to knock em out long enough to put roller skates on thier feets and then watch the fun...

[Necrodamus]

Your theories all depend on if its an old school shambling zombie or a new school super-human zombie. All of that really depends on if a zombie is possible. Mostly we use zombies as a metaphor and to have some fun.

On a funny note, I worked for a Japanese company for about 5 years and I remember a dumbass asking one of the Japanese managers what kind of martial arts he practiced. He replied Tai Chi. Then the redneck made some comment about he thought it would be something more like ninjitsu or something. The manager smiled and said if he wanted to stop someone he had a 45 for that, Tai Chi was just for exercise and keeping fit.

[RoneKiln]

I don't believe in fast zombies (rage virus excepted, but still not truly zombies).
All true zombies are slow and shambling.

[USMCSergeant]

With a username like headshot you kinda have to carry a gun right?

[Red Tamarillo]

Multiple kicks to a Zombie's thighs whilst wearing heavy steel capped boots. And you have to do this over and over, and over- as there would be multiple Zombies. It sounds a little tiring.
I'd recommend deadening those nerves in the front of the shins by practising every day kicking concrete posts like the bad guy did in that early Van Damme movie.
Don't rule out your fists altogether either, try pickling them in brine or urine, like the old boxers did, that way they become tougher and resistant to scratches/bites.

Edit: as I was cooking tea, I realised these multiple kicks with the OPs shin to the zombie's legs were just to get the Zombie to fall to the ground for the finishing move.
Mr OP have you really thought this through? You want to wear yourself out and bruise your shins on every Zombie needing how many kicks to get them to drop? 10? 20? 30?

I always think a true martial artist investigates all the arts, from all ages (in today's knowledge rich world that is easy). They don't have to train them, or like them, but a working knowledge of what is out there, and what they could have to face, is smart.

So how's about if you want to drop a Zombie by affecting it's balance or it's legs- one of those simple judo/jiujitsu-esque sweeps of one leg?
You can even find them in WW2 Combative manuals.

[Red Tamarillo]

With a username like headshot you kinda have to carry a gun right?

Doubtful, as he's in the UK. But he can still do headshots with a crossbow or bow. I'm not in the UK (or the US) but my understanding is that it's legal to own a crossbow or bow in the UK as long as you're over 18. Google says it's so.
But what he's advocating reminds me of those old 80's martial arts movies- where the ultimate martial artist infiltrates a den of bad guys who all have guns, and takes them all down one by one, each time leaving the bad guys weapon lying beside the unconscious body.

Unfortunately many martial artists today forget that in the old times their weapons training came first, the unarmed stuff was only a small accessory, or used whilst keeping hold of your sword and/or shield.

Edit: that reminds me, the basic tactical idea is good- take out the legs, then finish off with the head- as that was used in the battle of Wisby, and presumably works. (pus a projectile attack to take out a few). But that was with weapons.
And if you're going to recommend planning ahead, spending money and acquiring steel caps, one could plan ahead and buy a couple of weapons (or household/camping tools) instead i.e. machete to hack at the legs, followed by hammer to the head, or axe to do both etc...

[AUA]

My philosophy with regard to zombie combat is simple; break contact at all costs. I don't much see the point in actually killing the zombie until it's absolutely necessary (i.e. if the zombie is denying access to escape/resources vital to my survival), because there is no possible way to kill all of the zombies that are going to pose some semblance of a threat to me. The zombies are going to outnumber you several times over, and the energy that you waste fighting just one could be used to escape the area, which probably contains far more than just the one.

In short, be the gray man. In a zombie SHTF situation, you are going to be one man (or one group, if you're lucky) against the majority of the population in your city/town. It's better to keep a low profile rather than fighting all of the zombies that give you a mean look.

Even with a firearm...do you really have enough bullets? Do you have several million, or even a hundred thousand? No? Then your goal is to kill as few zombies as possible. You have to save a decent amount for hunting, self-defense, and maybe one for yourself, if you still feel the need to play anti-zombie crusader.

[Kelvar]

Your theories all depend on if its an old school shambling zombie or a new school super-human zombie.

True. And what if it isn't a fast zombie, what if it is 20 fast zombies?

Mostly we use zombies as a metaphor and to have some fun.

True that.

Also, moved to Zombie Combat Tactics.

[Tyndmyr]

I don't believe in hand to hand combat with zombies. Ever. Risk of injury from a mistake is far too high. Plus, who knows how contagious they might be? Sure, the blood spattered hero looks badass, but in an disease scenario, it's just terribly strategy.

Should I ever be in such a situation, a chest kick to open up some distance between us is as much as I'll be doing. Then, I will resume shooting them.

[Timizlam]

I not sure if this goes off on a tangent or not but I think a teep kick would help in surviving zombie attacks. It will push them back or knock them down so you can get away because your best protection from zombification is distance.

[nimdabew]

I would use a baseball bat (cricket bat except round for the Brits) and bash em over the head! That'll teach 'em!

[GH0STSHAD0W]

Fighting a Z in hand to hand would be a bad idea usually since the come in groups, but if its one on one, first off, bring armor that can resist them (eg: riot gear), and wear gear that can increase strike damage and protect you (metal guantlets, shin plates, sap gloves, steel toe boots, ect).

Second if armored, use a good hit to knock the zed down (hard shove, shoulder/ elbow ram, sweep kick, front thrust kick, or breaking the knee are all decent if you fast enough to avoid being grabbed), then depending if its face down or face up break the jaw first then stomp face in (face up) or just give a good stomp to the zed's head from behind (with enough force, you accomplish what 2 stomps do, in one shot, though the same can be done with face up zeds if you get good at it)

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Fighting a Z would be a bad idea usually since the come in groups.

FTFY. Only Marines and idjits go looking for a fight (and the crossover rate is rather high between them.)

[Roadkillstew]

Single zombie? You weren't paying enough attention to your surroundings/environment...


Swarm, MA isn't going to help you much... presumably they don't feel pain, or ignore it.
Media has zombies as being 'grabby'... so any 'melee' need to be oriented around getting away.

Knees, Ankles are weak spots... a sweep shouldn't be too hard to use, throws.. might be useful though risky.
Joint locks, uselesss from a control aspect but does bring into the question how well call zombies use
limbs with broken joints.
Again though, we're talking about an opponent that would appear not to feel pain...with a dedicated
intent to bite you with no regard to damage sustained to themselves.

[GH0STSHAD0W]

Only Marines and idjits go looking for a fight (and the crossover rate is rather high between them.)

Fighting a zed horde isnt the best idea even when you have high ground they cant (easily) get into, a good rifle, a large supply of ammo and rations.

But fighting them on "even terms" in hand to hand even when "its just one", is a bad idea at best, and a suicidal one at worst (possibly verging on darwin award territory).

The only way i see this being a decent way is with an armored guy attached to a crane on top of a tall building on a narrow platform, in which case every blow would most likely cause a a splattered zed or atleast an and immobile one, due to it falling off said building (and when the fighter was tired use him as "fishing lure" and lead Z's over the ledge). Again this would only have a slim chance to work with someome used to hand to hand (pro MMA fighter maybe?)

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Only Marines and idjits go looking for a fight (and the crossover rate is rather high between them.)

Fighting a zed horde isnt the best idea even when you have high ground they cant (easily) get into, a good rifle, a large supply of ammo and rations.

But fighting them on "even terms" in hand to hand even when "its just one", is a bad idea at best, and a suicidal one at worst (possibly verging on darwin award territory).

The only way i see this being a decent way is with an armored guy attached to a crane on top of a tall building on a narrow platform, in which case every blow would most likely cause a a splattered zed or atleast an and immobile one, due to it falling off said building (and when the fighter was tired use him as "fishing lure" and lead Z's over the ledge). Again this would only have a slim chance to work with someome used to hand to hand (pro MMA fighter maybe?)

What the actual fuck.

[GH0STSHAD0W]

What the actual fuck.

I like to have a plan for damn near everything. If someone asks me "what i would i in X situation" i respond with what i personally would do.

And that is probaly one pf the most inventive and possible to work in a scenario that would have someone trying to fight zombies in hand to hand, and it may sound crazy, but it would be more likely to work than "you suck at planning, enjoy zombies eating you" type comments

[Towanda]

Cranes, armored guys, and tall buildings are part of your EDC?

[GH0STSHAD0W]

If its available and i can make it work, then yes. I even have a guy who would jump at the chance to do "armored guy on the crane" part.

A building under construction has most the elelments required for this particular plan.

And im working on the riot suits.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

If its available and i can make it work, then yes. I even have a guy who would jump at the chance to do "armored guy on the crane" part.

A building under construction has most the elelments required for this particular plan.

And im working on the riot suits.

[GH0STSHAD0W]

If its available and i can make it work, then yes. I even have a guy who would jump at the chance to do "armored guy on the crane" part.

A building under construction has most the elelments required for this particular plan.

And im working on the riot suits.

Again... you dont HAVE to click that quote button, you can just scroll past my posts

[AUA]

If its available and i can make it work, then yes. I even have a guy who would jump at the chance to do "armored guy on the crane" part.

A building under construction has most the elelments required for this particular plan.

And im working on the riot suits.

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the crane to pick up an I-beam and smash them with that instead?

I mean, if it were a tower crane. If it were any other type, you'd be fucked anyway (if you were to use yourself as bait, you wouldn't be able to adjust the controls and get down, and if someone were manning the controls, it begs the above question and also poses a danger to the operator from zombies attacking from below).


If I were on a construction site, I'd just go for the lightest truck possible (read: lightest heavy-duty truck) and attempt a breakout by plowing through them. Why waste the energy fighting them when you could be escaping them and saving that energy for the attrition that would likely follow a total collapse of society?