Working dogs in the PAW

[Paladin1]

Took a stroll through this thread and noticed a few comments about Rhodesian Ridgebacks.

I think they would make a great PAW dog, can keep up with a man on horseback for 30 miles a day (or mountainbike). Go 24hrs without water. Can take extremes in weather.

Built for endurance with extra tough padding on there feet. Don't shed, don't smell, immune to insects, completely fearless (keeping a lion at bay came from Ridgebacks, literally bred to hunt lions and dangerous game).

Awesome with kids, aloof with strangers, quiet dogs, only bark if something is really wrong, great hunters.

In fact I think there so perfect, I have a 2nd male pick of a litter coming up

He's going to be huge. Sire is 31" and 120lbs and is lean, bitch is 28" and 80lbs.

http://www.laidbacklionhounds.net/Nextlitter.html

I'll introduce him to ZS when he comes home. Need to work on a name now.

[Rugger]

Not to be confused with an APBT, which is an American Bulldog crossed with an American Staffordshire Terrier.

Negative Ghostrider... The American Pitbull Terrier (APBT) is a purebred dog, essentially the UKCs "working line" version of the AKCs "show line" American Staffordshire Terrier. They came from the same purebred genetic stock, just divergent breeding goals/standards resulted in slightly different end products.

But, great looking dog you got there!!! I have an American Bulldog too and they are stellar... though he really needs to live somewhere warm, if we are talking end of the world - he has the thinnest coat on his belly and he freezes in the winter. Poor baby

I'm not trying to start an argument here. You are both correct.

The APBT was developed from breeding American Bulldogs with the Stafforshire and Bull Terriers (for the aggressiveness). You can look it up or take my word for it.

The second post is correct also, the APBT line has been refined to the point that the AKC now recognizes it as it's own separate breed.

Pits didn't magically appear from somewhere. They are a created breed. Just like every single dog that has been discussed on here. They all came from some form of a wolf.

As far as American Bulldogs, a great and amazing dog. Do a little research on them and it should very quickly move to the top of the list for dogs to keep around. If it was good enough for the majority of the colonists when they came to America, and when settlers started moving west, it's good enough for me. I would think their situation would be extremely similar to what we are discussing on here. Great hunting, guard, cattle, and working dog. I grew up hunting (not hogs) with mine. If you want to get him fired up, just pull out a rifle and he knows he's about to get something. Extremely protective as well. You have to have the right demeanor with them though. They are extremely strong willed and have to have a dominate owner.

Another dog that hasn't been mentioned on here is a Great Pyrenees. They are huge, tough, great in cold weather, and bred to be guard dogs. They are extremely protective. We have about 15 and my family uses them to guard livestock. They regularly kill coyotes, hogs, and racoons. These aren't pets for us though, they are strictly work dogs and left out on the ranch with the livestock and automatic dog feeders. The only one that is a pet is kept at the house to warn us of, and keep away illegal aliens. I don't know about hunting, but they are great protectors.

[skruface]

I'll introduce him to ZS when he comes home. Need to work on a name now.

How about:

Doggie Howser, M.D.
Woof Blitzer
Boo Radley

@ Rugger - rare to see an American who plays rugby, since football is generally the dominant sport down your way. Do you play League or Union? I played loose head prop for a number of years in high school; now I hook for a local senior men's (union) team on a pick-up basis and coach a local high school team. Good on ya for playin' a man's sport.

[Rugger]

@skruface
I play man's rugby, aka union. Coming from a football background, league wouldn't have been as much fun. Played lock in younger days, now play flanker. I will show up to occasional tournaments and look for a team to whore out with. There is actually a pretty active rugby community here in Texas. It tends to be a little more physical than over seas, seeing as that most people around here come from a football background. I think aspects of each sport will make you better at the other.

[Ufdyixcaff]

The APBT was developed from breeding American Bulldogs with the Stafforshire and Bull Terriers (for the aggressiveness). You can look it up or take my word for it.

How about you provide some support for that instead?

You might have a hard time getting the UKC support that position and since it is their registry and standards that define the APBT, its them you need to square with.

If you are just making the statement that some people cross bred the two lines, well... sure. whatever. But the two breeds are very distinct.

[Rugger]

I wasn't trying to start an argument. I was just saying that the American Pit Bull did not appear out of thin air, it was produced by crossing those breeds of dogs and then refining the genetics to the point that you get a predictable outcome every time, which is the basic definition of a "breed or line" of dogs.

[Texas Rebel]

In the PAW I don't really care if my dog has papers.
This is about Working Dogs in The Paw.
Who cares if they are pure breed or have papers,do you really think anyone is going to care?
It is getting to where everyone wants to argue about what they think is best on here anymore.
When I joined this forum it was to learn info on prepping and how to survive EOTWAWKI.
Everyone has there own opinions as to what they think is best for them.
I myself have to ABPT and don't heve papers on them or care if they have them.
I don't think anyone will be asking me for them in the PAW or is going to care if they got papers or if they are pure breed while my dog is chewing their leg or arm off cuz they was trying to take my supplies and gear.

[Ufdyixcaff]

In the PAW I don't really care if my dog has papers.
This is about Working Dogs in The Paw.
Who cares if they are pure breed or have papers,do you really think anyone is going to care?
It is getting to where everyone wants to argue about what they think is best on here anymore.
When I joined this forum it was to learn info on prepping and how to survive EOTWAWKI.
Everyone has there own opinions as to what they think is best for them.
I myself have to ABPT and don't heve papers on them or care if they have them.
I don't think anyone will be asking me for them in the PAW or is going to care if they got papers or if they are pure breed while my dog is chewing their leg or arm off cuz they was trying to take my supplies and gear.

Excellent rant for someone who doesn't care.

I dont care about lineage either, tbh, but dogs hold a special place in my heart - especially the bully breeds, who have a bad enough image without things getting muddied by historical inaccuracies.

Speaking of bully breeds and bad images... chewing their arm or leg off?

[Blackdog]

Dogs, gotta love them.

My PAW dog and general ramble pal until that unwanted day is staight off of a Balkan hill side. I have watched these dogs in action for several years and admired their tendancy to be watchful and calm along with their ability to weather rough terrain and weather. Although I can't prove or care to prove this as a fact I believe my little sweet pea is pretty close to %100 pure Karakachan. No papers to be had up yonder where she came from. She just has natural traits that work for me, the whole rough terrain and weather thing and I love that when someone or something comes to her attention she lets out a low growl and keeps what ever it is locked in with no muss or fuss. I didn't have to teach this, she just does it, bred for it so to speak. Fairly easy to train but she still keeps a bit of her bred in independent nature. Not a dog for a couch potato or a apartment dweller for sure. I know she needs to get out and about and this helps me get out and about even when I don't necessary feel like it. Kind of a built in, living fitness plan. I lasted one long year after my last good dog went to doggy heaven before this girl picked me to be her human and it has been a good match. Good natured, tough and a pretty good snuggle bunny to boot, what more could a guy ask for?

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bulgarianshepherddog.htm

http://www.sheepmagazine.com/issues/31/31-2/karakachan_livestock_guardian_dogs.html

My personal little snuggle bunny and fierce guardian.

[Smü]

Great dog, great breed. Not as hectic as a GSD, not as independent nor aggressive like a Kuvasz, but merging the best of those type of dogs. Good.

[Texas Rebel]

I find it very interesting that all my post in this section have been deleted?
I guess that my breed of choice is not allowed here.
Posted pics. GONE!
Posted an article about bite pressure. GONE!
No P.M. or explanation what so ever?
Guess mods don't allow Pit Bull pics or article here?

[Chantrea]

Texas Rebel, I have not removed anything from this thread, and to my knowledge neither have any of the moderators. I will look into it though.

After looking at your profile, I see you posted pics and info in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=75781&p=1686514#p1686514 . Are those the pictures you're speaking of? As you will notice, they're still there. I think you may have forgotten where you posted; this is not the only thread discussing dogs on the site. Although, after taking a closer look at your poster history (which everyone can see, not just arbs/mods) I DO see a picture of your doggie running through snow in this thread (so obviously it is stored SOMEWHERE) but it doesn't show up on the thread anywhere else. Hmmm.

In the future, if you wouldn't mind checking in to things like this first, without freaking out and making assumptions about me or the mods (or at least ask politely first), I would really appreciate it. I'll poke around in the graveyard to see if anything may have been accidentally moved there by someone else, if you'd be so kind, please look through your posts as well and through the graveyard to see if you can find it as well. If you PM me links I can have them moved back, because it would have been in error.

I have made a note of this on the the arbiters' board, mods may have access to tracking that I do not.

You're welcome.

[maxxb]

I just got home from a forensics class and I was asked by the teacher to speak to the class about working with detection dogs.

[Israel]

I've mentioned my pit several times as have others on this thread and our posts are still in tact.

[Texas Rebel]

Chantrea I apoligize if I accused you of deleting my post.I have searched for them and they have disappeared so I don't know what happened to them.
I did find 1 that posted in another topicbut that was not ones posted here.
Guess they are just gone now

[Chantrea]

TR, do me a favor when you get a chance, can you get on your profile and look at all the user posts listed there? I found one pic post that you spoke of doing that (oddly, you can see it, intact with pic, and it's listed as being on this thread!). Can you see if you can find your link post as well? I would search some more but I'll be a little busy today between kidlets and church, so I'm not going to have time for awhile. Do you remember making them post back to back or within a day or two? I'm curious if we lost a day or something in Jan.

Also, apology accepted. I'm sorry I got snippy with you as well. This is a weird situation, I'll update when I get more info; I wonder if other posts are missing elsewhere.

[Texas Rebel]

TR, do me a favor when you get a chance, can you get on your profile and look at all the user posts listed there? I found one pic post that you spoke of doing that (oddly, you can see it, intact with pic, and it's listed as being on this thread!). Can you see if you can find your link post as well? I would search some more but I'll be a little busy today between kidlets and church, so I'm not going to have time for awhile. Do you remember making them post back to back or within a day or two? I'm curious if we lost a day or something in Jan.

Also, apology accepted. I'm sorry I got snippy with you as well. This is a weird situation, I'll update when I get more info; I wonder if other posts are missing elsewhere.

I looked and found my pics on other topic,I had posted similiar pics here.
I don't know what happened to them? Lost in cyper space I guess?
Hope you had a great day with kids and church.

[TheDavid]

Sorey to here about your loss.

We have a stub tail healer (think 3/4 sise blue healer). She is an amazing dog! Vary smart, earley trainable, intenseley loyal, god help the drury that brakes into her truck.

There was a story here locally in the news about someone killed in a avanlanch and the dog stayed there with his owner for like 4 days!

[ZombieSoldier01]

I have had and enjoyed Pitbulls and rottweilers. I loved them, but the 2 dogs that have truely captured my heart is the 2 i own now. My boxer and my wifes weiner dog (dachshund) . both are highly intelligent, both are very alert, and lovable, but my boxer is the clear winner. he loves going hiking and camping in the rocky mountains, deals with whatever the kids can dish out to him and strives to make us happy all the time. just some food for thought.

[Tater Raider]

What about the small, yippy dogs that like to bark at anything and everything that walks onto your property? Alert dogs (as opposed to guard dogs) have value too.

[wee drop o' bush]

What about the small, yippy dogs that like to bark at anything and everything that walks onto your property? Alert dogs (as opposed to guard dogs) have value too.

Yeah my Pomeranian Judy always alerts me of anyone arriving in my farmyard...which is reassuring:)

[Blacksmith]

What about the small, yippy dogs that like to bark at anything and everything that walks onto your property? Alert dogs (as opposed to guard dogs) have value too.

They make good snacks for my dog too.

[Texas Rebel]

What about the small, yippy dogs that like to bark at anything and everything that walks onto your property? Alert dogs (as opposed to guard dogs) have value too.

They have a habit of killing my Pits
They always seem to get choked on them while trying to swallow them

Seriously they will work in the PAW as an alert system,Down side is they will also give away your location.

[Paladin1]

The problem with yappy dogs is that they yap at everything. So how do you know if the barking is because another leaf blew across the yard or a freaking zombie is trying to get in the back door?

I want a dog that barks when something is truly amiss, at least to him. Then I check it out instead just yelling at him to shut up.

And if a zombie is trying to get in the back door, he has to go through the dog first, giving me time to prepare for the invasion.

Puppy update, mine is due June 4th, if all goes well we'll have him Aug. 6th. I think his name is going to be "Ranger". Seems like a good fit for a Ridgeback.