Retired Marine asking about Zombie defence operations

[moosiah]

copied this from another forum :
[QUOTE=xdevildog;339646]Help an old Marine out here. Can zombies swim?? Wondering about anti-amphibious operations planning.[/QUOTE]

since Zombies can only be stopped by destroying the brain or burning to a crisp, they apparently can just walk across river bottoms.. anti -amphibious might not be the right approach ,I'm thinking submarine operations with UDT/ SEAL personnel.. trained Dolphins equipped with machetes might be most cost effective too. :D


just thought you all might like a grin ...

[XAMOTOMAX]

Since zombies could walk the bottoms, they could perhaps climb up anchor chains and up into a vessel also? Just a thought. How deep out to sea would you have to go to avoid zombies in the water?

[EricinVirginia]

My thought... brainless zombies underwater walking would get pushed by currents and gravity into deep parts. They'd then have a hard time getting out. There's a reason no one has ever plumbed the depths of the deepest trenches... they're full of zombie corpses, brains crushed by pressure.

[3Fingas]

I am thinking that zombies would still float and present a hazard -- at least until most of their flesh had rotted off from their bones.... so maritime defense plans would have to take that into account....

[EricinVirginia]

Floating zombies, now there's a thought.

[3Fingas]

Floating zombies, now there's a thought.

I think it would all depend on how long a zombie had been dead/reanimated and how artificially porous they had become in dying. I was watching one of those police forensics shows where it stated that bodies initially sink then float due to gases produced during early decomposition and then would sink again in during the latter stages of decomposition. Anyhow, it would seem that zombies pose only a temporary floating hazard, but bottom dwelling/moving walkers would remain a menace a lot longer. That is, if zombies were something other than a disaster preparedness metaphor.

[NecroNikolai13]

Well I suppose depending on where you live... if there's sharks in your area, can wait for the zombies to get too close and chum the waters.

[Blacksmith]

Well I suppose depending on where you live... if there's sharks in your area, can wait for the zombies to get too close and chum the waters.

There is an idea. I wonder if the shark immune system makes them immune to turning into Zombies or if they would be able to survive on land as shark undead? Very efficient killing machines in the water I don't know how they would do on land.

[majorhavoc]

There is an idea. I wonder if the shark immune system makes them immune to turning into Zombies or if they would be able to survive on land as shark undead? Very efficient killing machines in the water I don't know how they would do on land.

I take back everything I said in the other thread about George Romero not having anything unique left to say about zombies in the movies. Can't you see it? Coming to a theater near you:

Shark Zombies!!!!

[Blacksmith]

There is an idea. I wonder if the shark immune system makes them immune to turning into Zombies or if they would be able to survive on land as shark undead? Very efficient killing machines in the water I don't know how they would do on land.

I take back everything I said in the other thread about George Romero not having anything unique left to say about zombies in the movies. Can't you see it? Coming to a theater near you:

Shark Zombies!!!!

It has been done; Zombi 2

[majorhavoc]

It has been done; Zombi 2

Huh! I just Googled it and according to the description of one scene involving a very splinter-prone bedroom door and one unlucky woman, I think I've must have seen that movie at some point. Don't remember the shark zombies though, which makes it a candidate for a second viewing.

Well, I"m back to my original position then: Romero's out of gas.

[NecroNikolai13]

Well I suppose depending on where you live... if there's sharks in your area, can wait for the zombies to get too close and chum the waters.

There is an idea. I wonder if the shark immune system makes them immune to turning into Zombies or if they would be able to survive on land as shark undead? Very efficient killing machines in the water I don't know how they would do on land.

Depends on the type of zombies. Romero's zombies never really had an explanation as to why the dead were up and about. Rabies virus on the other hand, I read that it only affect mammals.

[XAMOTOMAX]

In the original it was due to radiation from space off of a returning nasa mission from Venus.

[Roger Brough]

Because of their putrid smell, the catfish, carp and alligator garr would have a tremendous feast, thus, and once again, completing the circle of life.

[Kutter_0311]

I don't think sharks would likely catch any zombie illness, they can consume most sick/dead/dying things without being afflicted. Of course, they don't tend to target/destroy the brain, so they may have chompers in their belly, trying to chew their way out

[azrael99]

some people forget one of the most specific thing about sea water, they are made of salt water, and salt is one heck of a corrosive thing. it can eat up steel, imagine flesh,

remember your last trip at the beach ? remember how your skin was at the end of the day ? the flesh of the undead would rot, their skin would melt away, they eyes ball would rot and melt away, their articulation would rot and body part would end with a disablement. you want to see limbless zombie ?

[DTyra]

some people forget one of the most specific thing about sea water, they are made of salt water, and salt is one heck of a corrosive thing. it can eat up steel, imagine flesh,

Isn't salt used to preserve meat? Salt water doesn't dissolve flesh, decomposition does. I assume you are referring to the wrinkled condition of your hands after a day at the beach or swimming pool? That's caused by your flesh absorbing the water, sort of. To my way of thinking, wouldn't the cool water aid in retarding decomposition and cause the zombies to last longer? Or am I wrong?

remember your last trip at the beach ? remember how your skin was at the end of the day ? the flesh of the undead would rot, their skin would melt away, they eyes ball would rot and melt away, their articulation would rot and body part would end with a disablement. you want to see limbless zombie ?

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Living flesh would not "dissolve" in water, but dead flesh will. Not dissolve, per se, but decay by over-absorbing water and then breaking apart in a process called sloughing. I don't want to link or post pictures of it, but a body that's in the water for about 10 days is going to begin breaking itself apart as it moves, longer as the temperature drops, shorter is the scavengers are willing to eat it.

[SaikoPureya]

Read the zombie survival guid by max brooks, and your questions shall be answered.
However if it is the rabbies-flu hybrid that zombies come to be, then they would most likely not dissolve they would slough because the flesh would still be alive.

[AUA]

Of course if it was that hybrid, then they would be more or less confined to the same biological laws that we follow and would probably die from drowning, safely away from other people.

I think that in a zombie apocalypse, the main issue would be conventional anti-amphibious operations (i.e human survivors attempting to overtake your outpost and use it as their own), which means that any USMC/etc anti-amphibious tactics would apply.

For that matter, even general anti-landing obstacles could be helpful against mythical-type zombies. If you can get zombies caught in barbed wire on the beaches (the combination of water-wading, sand-stepping, barbed wire entanglement, and perhaps some trenches), you can finish off any floating stragglers with a well-placed headshot.

[azrael99]

some people forget one of the most specific thing about sea water, they are made of salt water, and salt is one heck of a corrosive thing. it can eat up steel, imagine flesh,

Isn't salt used to preserve meat? Salt water doesn't dissolve flesh, decomposition does. I assume you are referring to the wrinkled condition of your hands after a day at the beach or swimming pool? That's caused by your flesh absorbing the water, sort of. To my way of thinking, wouldn't the cool water aid in retarding decomposition and cause the zombies to last longer? Or am I wrong?

remember your last trip at the beach ? remember how your skin was at the end of the day ? the flesh of the undead would rot, their skin would melt away, they eyes ball would rot and melt away, their articulation would rot and body part would end with a disablement. you want to see limbless zombie ?

ok , they would not dissolve or rot but..........be "tenderized" ? which mean the flesh will become soft. that what happening when the meat is conserved in salt water. so the flesh would be conserved, but become soft and peeled away.