The Winter Bug Out Contest! Rookie of The Year Award!

Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby riverjoe47 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:16 pm

OK Ive put away the fire team hooch for now . It looked like Kenny my buddy from the auction was going to accompany me on that first attempt but his wife had to have an operation . I don't think we'd have gotten 325 pounds back up that hill anyway . So in plan A the facillitators had to be capable of supporting themselves with their day packs so this plan B is I reconoitering up the trail with the smaller shelter . This is only the first half of the post but photobucket is acting so cranky for me I think I'll post the rest tomorrow before midnight .

Previously I posted the first attempt of my winter bugout . Well here is the second and final endeavor .
Before leaving the house .
Orient the map to magnetic north .
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Find features along your intended route . In this case a draw between the second and third fingers pointing north westerly .
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Lay out an azmuth on that feature so that when you think you recognize it you can
prove it to yourself . I have been lost in Laos and I have seen air strikes called in on their own hilltop just because the responsible parties didn't want to question their previously made assumptions .

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Just remember in times of crisis there are no guantees that GPS will still work .
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Lightly pencil in your info in relation to your destination . One of the few times in the army I ever volunteered for anything . I volunteered to walk point just so I could get my hands on a compass and the map . This was after one more day of humping to the darkest depths of all the valleys and then climbing the steepest mountains just because some joker thought you had to follow an azmuth as if you were a crow . You can walk 5 or 6 clicks out of your way if you stick to ridges saddles and gently sloping fingers and expend about half the energy .
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AO . Indiana wild and scenic river program . 14 miles of Cedar Creek although contained within a relatively densely populated county the Cedar Creek is surrounded by parks , GSA compounds , Izaac Walton gun clubs etc . In short it is one of the few remaining heavily wooded areas in our county . Although the public lands are limited to canoe launching sights and county parks I was fortunate to get my surrounding neighbors permission to camp on their lands so all in all about 200 acres of woods and overgrown pasture .

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The new lightweight Joe . My good ol Alice pack . Bought it back in about 72 . Any of you born then?

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valley or draw . Shooting an azmuth to the S.E I get 150 degrees . If Id walk into the valley and shoot it to the North West that would correlate with 330 degrees . Note to self , next time shoot your azmuths the way you would likely be looking . Not really that difficult to figure out just look at your compass and see what the opposite 180 degree reading is . Or if 150 is 30 less then 180 then 30 from 360 is 330 . Anyway not my referance valley. This is the first valley between fingers 1 and 2 and it lays more northerly then my referance valley .
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Leaving a trail . Not much choice with the pulk . Comes in handy later for Kenny

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CLICK ON THE PIC . VIDEO turn on your sound tho .
More of an audio rather then a video . You can spot them for just a second right at the beginning tho .
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doe urine . A little taste could tell you if they've been browsing on acorns ,then all you have to do is back track them to the oak trees . Acorn meal is great survival food but I have discovered lately that the white oaks are a heck of a lot better then the red oaks . The red ones just have a lot more tannin . It takes a lot of fire wood to boil out that tannin . I wanted to gather enough to put in a bag down at the rapids to see how long the leaching would take , but I just don't have the time this trip .
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Eureka a stump . Maybe this would be a good spot to camp .

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One man modified Egyption (pyramid) tent . Made of bubble type under slab insulation . Used three old collapsable tent poles so it doesn't need to be staked necessarily .

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Had to add on another room to accomodate two cots . Thats right I said cots .

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Guess my ice fishing demonstration is out . Just 2 weaks ago this was partially frozen and there were a few quiet spots totally frozen . Along came a warm snap and melted 14 inches of snow and I thought I was out of luck til this 6inches came along and saved my bacon . (thanks Alberta )

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Get busy melting snow in my new favorite aluminum pot (about 3/4 pound is all).

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Here's Kenny , my buddy from the auction . He has very little gear and he had called me a few hours before this picture saying he wanted to try cold camping .
I told him to go in the barn where I had 3 old sleeping bags and a cot . He brought a nice sturdy kids sled to haul his gear but he only grabbed one bag and the cot .
He then followed my tracks in the snow and arrived at camp shortly before dark .
I welcomed the company but since the temps were in the low 20s headed for 15 I was a little worried he'd be uncomfortable in that cheap bag (turns out I was justified in my worries .)
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Filter to remove small particles from snow water after boiling . Boiled panty hose leg streched over orange juice bottle top cut off for funnel . Not the greatest pic.It worked great tho , really fast with all that filtering area .

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INTERMISSION

INTERMISSION IS OVER .

That night the temp kept falling . About 20 when we went to bed . About 14 at 2 am and then it actually started warming up . About 35 in the shelter which should have been warm enough but no it wasn't .
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Even tho we kept the fire going all night it never really was a big roaring fire you could get warm with .

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About 3 am I wasn't sleeping very well anyway mainly because of cold feet . I got up and started putting in some tent stakes where the snow seal had broken . The cold air was coming right up Kens back . I kept asking Ken "don't you want to zip up that sleeping bag ?" I don't know if he found it constraining or what but he didn't zip it up all night . Just a cheap box store bag anyway . I had given him a fleece lined poncho to use as a blanket , but that wasn't enough . So about 3:30 pm he came out of the hooch shivering and almost incoherant . I fired up the little single mantle coleman and had him stand over it with the poncho acting as a hood . This finally worked and he seemed allright . I was pretty tired and went back to bed . In the morning when I awoke Ken had stoked the fire all night but he was kinda pale and had me a little worried . He seemed ok enough to find his way back to the barn tho so a little after dawn he returned to civilization (only about a click or so ). I called the wife and told her to watch out for him and if he didn't show up in about an hour to call me .
All in all a graphic lesson on having a good sleeping bag .

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We put all our water into metal containers so we could thaw it in the morning .

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Alone again I make myself busy doing camp chores . First off ,lets eat .
I had this big package of Bear Creek Minsestronie mix which I cut in half and took the directions with .(thanks guys over on the supermarket thread by Luthifer ) I had instant rice and I had little Chorizo sausages (that I bought at the lumber company of all places . ) So simmer Minestrone mix for 15 minutes add rice and chorizo broken up into little chunks mmmmm . Enough for about 4 guys at least but I took the rest out with me for Monday lunch .

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So now with my belly full , pretty warm lets look around for something edible .
I know there are hickorys and Oak over in Mr Rs woods but I also know the deer and squirrel have been forageing heavily on them . The Hickory are the best ofcourse but you have to uncover them in the snow and then you find only about every fifth one is good . One little trick I learned this year tho is to watch a squirrel cut a bunch of shagbark hickory that were still on the tree then he goes down and caches them .
Well if you intercept the nuts before he carries them off you'll find every one of them are good :lol: Course you could just shoot the squirrel and benefit from all that hickory protein . We have a truce within about 200 yards of the house tho so I just steal there food rather than kill them .
Here at the campsight there are a lot of Bladder nuts which Ive read the Germans eat like pistachios .Id say they are more like the old maids in the bottom of a popcorn bowl . Im sure you could grind them into a nutricious meal of some kind tho .




Bladder nut . Obviously not named by a marketing executive .

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Lucky for me as I was backing up to take this shot . I spooked some Mallards in the creek . I always like to think of a name for each campsight and I was stuck on Bladder Nut . But now its "Spooky Mallard "
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Before I go on to my next bushcraft project let me just review my crummy garage sale auction gear for you guys . The biggest thing I learned I think is to not skimp on a sleep system . I probabley carried 10 or 15 pounds extra to insure I would get a good nights sleep and I only slept about half the night . Heres the first problem the cheap slumber party sleeping bag .
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I augmented this with a fleece summer sleeping bag inside it and a big huge polyester comforter (which probabley saved my ass ) . I was still uncomfortable for the most part . No skimping on comfort tho , my ol foam pad I dug out of a dumpster at a foam factory one time is great . Its weightless I think . The cot was 5 lb but I dont know it was kinda worth it especially when setting up camp and trying to keep everthing out of the snow . I suppose an air mattress makes more sense and I might go that route if I can get a chair of some kind .(old guys can't sit crosslegged on the ground . Ask your grandpa ).


Here's my cutlery . The machete to me is invaluble probabley implanted from Nam .
If you've got it honed right you can easily chop half way thru a 3 or 4 inch log . I usually just stomp em then and break em . My entrenching tool broke while I was trying to dig a Dakota fire pit and the machete makes a passable spade . The leatherman is useful (but mines about worn out ) and the as seen on tv glorified box knife with extra blades is sharper them Im capable of sharpening a fancy knife .

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The cook ware is aluminum and I guess there are issues about the danger of aluminum cook ware . Well mom lived to be 90 eating out of aluminum and thats good enough for me . I think the large pot was very helpful melting snow water and the small segment pot inside it is big enough for 2 cups of coffee . I just packed all the food inside the big pot to justify the volume that it takes up . The water skimmer made out of panty hose worked well . Should have used a funnel with smaller spout since it would fit inside the canteen . I just dumped water into canteen cup and then into canteen tho so no biggy .Brass spoon and fork just cause they're cute .

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This little lantern is worth the weight I think . It puts out tons of cheerful light and 2000 btus of heat . Course that cylinder weighs another 2 lbs . Im pretty certain we could have heated the hooch with it but I wouldn't want to try it without a CO detector . When Ken was on the verge of hypothermia (if he was ) it saved the day .
The instant ignition is great . There are probabley better ones out there but this one made the campsight . All for $22.00

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Clothing .... Even tho I kinda knew better on my first attempt I wore jeans which got soaked with snow and perspiration in about a half an hour . This helped me to decide to abort . So I just couldn't bring myself to go to Gander Mountain drop a few hundred bucks and then not have the right stuff . Thanks to Bubba's post I put on the lightweight long johns with Bubba's old man wool pants and then just a thin tight weave cotton pant over that . Not water proof or anything but god was that warm comfortable and breathable . Also this contest forced me to buy some decent boots which I found at Dicks for $ 79 bucks and my feet have never been cold since .

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The hooch I whipped together would problbley have been fine for most folks , but never again will I crawl in and out of a tent and then try to get in a sleeping bag in a confined space . My fetish for building tents without pegs is over . If I ever build a lightweight one man it will probabley be a tee pee at least 6 foot tall . I still think my miracle material is the way to go in winter . Alls you need is a plier stapler and you can redesign it in the field . (no?) Im going to keep my pyrimid around for an ice fishing shelter tho , cause you could sit comfortabley on a box with the pointy end toward the wind . When I was cutting tent stakes I noticed this Buckthorn branch which leads me to our next exercise .

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Please view the following four short videos .
This is the gift of the Ojibwa or at least native americans to the world . The Ojibwa tho based a trading system and established camps especially for this gift from the Great Spirit .

Please take the time to click here .

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a footnote . I went down to the tree and found the coffee jar overflowing with slightly sweet delicious cold sap this afternoon .

So in closing let me just say I have already won with this contest . I have had a ball preparing for it and learning from it .
Even tho I was forced to hump a ruck at gunpoint for 6 months (second six monthes I worked out of a firebase . a piece of cake )one time there is a lot of stuff you forget and the heat and the mosquitos won't kill you (if you take your malaria tabs that is) but the cold could do it in short order if you don't prepare . Before I go out again even with the big heated four man homeless shelter I'm going to read and reread these posts to find the best sleep system known to man .
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Ollie's contest entry

Postby O » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:50 am

Let me begin by saying that when I first noticed that this contest was going on, I thought to myself, "Man, I would sure love to do that, but there's no way the pregnant wife and toddler would let me get away for even a day." Well, I was wrong--and my family is awesome for letting me take time off from being a dad. After spending wintergheddon in Pistol Pete's tipi tent using my wood stove, I really wanted a shot at one of those tents from Wyoming Lost and Found.

Now, Kyle and I have been talking about taking out our motorcycles for a camping trip for a while, and two weeks ago, we finally decided to do it. Initially we were going to go for an overnighter, with some early morning squirrel hunting. Unfortunately, the season had just closed for anything we could hunt with a .22 rifle. Not one's to be discouraged, we still decided to go camping. The area of operation chosen was across the street from the ZombieCon property--basically the side of Hugh's mountain in central Missouri. This is one of our optional bug out locations. The forecast looked marginal, what with the possibility of thunderstorms, but neither one of us are afraid to take risks from time to time to learn the limits of our gear, and ourselves. Let me mention that this is the first time that Kyle or I have ever taken our bikes on a trip like this. As we were getting ready to leave, Kyle said that we should take photos and that there was a contest going on....The Contest! I had completely forgotten about it! Here was my chance at that tent!

And so, here is my humble entry.
Here are some pics of the bikes upon setting off. The motorcycle I have is a mid weight dual sport—the XT350. The tires I have on it are 90% for on road, 10% off road. I only use it for getting around the city. Of course I had to do it up ZS style. I sewed that seat cover from homemade tincloth.
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We stopped by Crypto's place to see his new jeep, dubbed the brick:
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He was kind enough to take a pic of Kyle and I:
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The ride down was cold. The things I brought to cover my legs were a pair of lightweight smartwool long underwear bottoms, a pair of round house duck cloth dungarees, and my rei rain pants. I had all three on while riding. And so, my upper body was fine, but the lower half was cold. Then again, the trip was over an hour and a half, and we were pushing 70 mph a good part of the time. We stopped about 2/3rds of the way at a gas station, warmed up, and were on our way again. The last leg wasn't as bad as the roads were much windier, and so we weren't driving as fast. When we finally got there, the first obstacle was to leave the paved road, and get past a foot deep puddle of water. Let me remind you that we have never done this before! Well, I remembered what my dad used to do when we would take the 2 wheel drive car on roads up in the mountains of Colorado. Just get enough speed to coast through what ever you are going through. I chose a narrow path at the edge of the small pond, and made it through. Kyle tried to go on the other side of it, but got stuck:
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After trying a few methods, we finally decided that a combination of elbow grease and man handling would unstick her. One we were past the first obstacle, we then decided to try to get as far up the power line cut as we could. As we didn't have a particular camp spot in mind, we figured that we would just go as far as our skills and bikes would carry us.
I kept thinking that as a traveler in the PAW, one would probably want to get off the road as far into the woods as one could to camp during night time--you know, to avoid thieves and vagabonds. At least that's what I was pretending as we were struggling up that hill! Unfortunately, Kyle's bike was a bit too heavy for such mucky ground, and after getting only a couple hundred meters or so up the cut, had to stop. My bike was a bit lighter on her toes, and was therefore able to get quite a ways further up the cut. I went up a ways, but didn't want to get separated too much. So, I parked the bike, grabbed my hand held transceiver, peeled off some layers( my bike is kickstart only, and I was having to turn it on and off a lot by this point--I was getting hot) and walked back down to Kyle. On my way down to him, I noticed a clearing through the woods that we might check out for camp. When I got down to him, we had to make a decision: ride both bikes back down, stash his bike and hike up, or camp right there. We decided to stash his bike:
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Here I am walking up the hill with a few of Kyle's items in hand. You can see how treacherous it is, especially for those who have no experience, or the tires to compete.
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I took his things to the clearing and proceeded to ride my bike through the woods to the edge of the clearing. Kyle came up, and we agreed that this was as fine a place to camp as any. Too bad the ground was kinda murky. Here is the site:
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And my bike:
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With only a few hours left of daylight, we knew that leisure would have to wait. It was time to gather wood, set up our shelters, and make fire. I put my camp knife on, and my pistol (there could be vagabonds!), a wool shirt, and proceeded with said chores. The shelter went up easy, as I decided to only use the bivy bag. You can see my camp behind the fire pit.
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Here I am limbing out a downed cedar with my council tool hudson bay ax with a 28 inch handle. She works great, and I would recommend that ax to anyone.
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Also, the Bob dustrude quick buck saw is a great piece of gear. I like mine so much, I decided to give one to Kyle as an early birthday present:
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Remember, split wood with your knees bent, so the ax can't hit your feet:
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Another good way to split small stuff is with a helper stick...that way you don't split your hand.
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Or you can make a few wedges out of oak:
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The upside down fire: works great when the ground is wet. Also, burns a very long time, smokes little, and requires little tending.
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Even though I carry several lighters, it is easy to use the back of the tip of my neck knife, and a firesteel with a bit of vaseline soaked cotton ball as the starter:
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I invented a adjustable pot hanger just for this trip, and threw together a tripod to try it out on. However, the tripod wasn't tall enough to get hang the pot over our fire:
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So, I used the tripod to support a longer stick, which I then hung the pot off of. That worked great:
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When we wanted to get some oxygen in a particular spot, I would use part of an aluminum arrow shaft to blow air into the fire. Later on, I added the drinking tube from my water bladder so I could sit on my bum while I did this. The second pic also shows the inside of my fire kit. It is just a waterproof tobacco tin with vaselene soaked cotton balls, REI storm matches, fat wood shavings I got from my pencil sharpener, and a small neon orange sparker from a survival kit.
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Dinner consisted of fresh green beans and steak. Kyle used my old school acme frypan for the meats. Yum!
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And now for that leisure I was talking about...harmonica time! You can see also that I am using the cooking support stick to dry some socks by the fire:
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Well, after enjoying some exellent company with my best friend, we finally decided to turn in. Again, my sleeping arrangement consisted of a reflective tarp, a US GI goretex bivy sack, a thermarest inflateable sleeping pad, a thin wool blanket, and a quilt that I made based on the RayWay quilt kit. I call mine the fireball, as it is orange and black. You can learn more about that here:
http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Quilt-Kit/index.htm

I got to bed, but woke in the middle of the night to put on my Camp 7 down jacket, and eat some peanut butter. Peanut butter may be one of the most perfect survival foods there is. Lots of energy, and tastes good too! It helped stoke the metabolic fires, and I went back to bed.

In the morning, Kyle checked his phone, and said it had gotten down to 19 degrees. Yeah, it felt like it--but I slept alright. In the morning it is best to start moving around. We wanted a hot beverage quick, so water was boiled on my alchohol stove. This is a trangia burner in a clikstand brand stove (http://www.clikstand.com/). The stand is the wind break, but more shielding helps keep the heat next to the pot. Also, you can see that it packs down small. Also, I'd like to mention that my pots are hard anodized aluminum, without "non-stick coating". This allows me the option of using metal utensils, and also, never possibly being poisoned by my cookware's "coating". Further, I can clean my cookware with sand or whatever I please.
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Here's another way to stay warm in the morning. Use your wool blanket and a big safety pin:
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Don't you fuck with my bacon!
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Also, if you want to filter water, or take a shower, the ULA H2O amigo is a good gravity filter:
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Kyle agreed to cook while I took some more photos of my gear. He made the bacons and the eggs. What a guy!
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So, while he was cooking, I was able to take a bunch more pics. Here is my sleeping gear. I use a bladder from a box of wine as a pillow. It also serves as a back up water carrier. Also, I didn't need to rig my flectarn tarp, but you can see it folded up in the second pic. Note that I made the yellow and orange silnylon stuff sacks. I keep the sleeping pad in the yellow one. Also I'm demonstrating a good way to stow an inflatable sleeping pad. Fold in half down the long axis with valve open. Then tightly roll up, keeping edges aligned. Lastly, close valve.
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The cook kit:
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My pack is a cfp-90. It feels great, and held everything I needed for this trip. I walked around a bit with it on so that I could be part of the contest :)
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Here is my neck knife. It made by brusletto and is the spikeknivve--an child's introductory whittling knife. The blade is high carbon, and I made the sheath myself. I designed it so that you could wear it high or low on the chest, or configure it to hang from a belt. I can one hand draw it from the belt. The knife is excellent.
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Also, this is what I carry with me in my pocket at all times. This kit contains a lighter, sewwing kit, fire starter, fire steel, knife sharpener, cordage, a whistle, and water purification tablets.
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Here are the tools of camp. Ax, saw, knife and revolver. The revolver is a ruger gp-100 in .357 mag. With this gun and the right ammo, I can hunt everything from squirrels up to deer. I feel confident that I could take down anything in my AO with it. My camp knife is a Helle eggen. I have been whittling a spoon with it at home and it is great, but I hardly had to use it on this trip at all. The blade is about 4 inches long, has a scandi grind on it, and has a rat tail tang. It came from the factory very sharp, and the curly birch handle is very beautiful. Also, the sheath is well made. 70 bones well spent. Also, please note that I use my axe for splitting wood, not my knife. The axe...don't leave home without it.
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Here is the cordage and webbing I brought. I use the carabineers and webbing to strap the pack to the bike.
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First aid kit. Old outdoor research kit I've had since I was a teen. It has a fold out that unbuttons from the main pouch. While I didn't have to use anything out of it, Kyle lent me something out of his...I'll get to that in a minute.
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Here are a few more pics of gear:
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And here's a few of the things on my bike. I carry gasoline in the MSR fuel bottle. The bag on the handle bar carries tools, plastic bags to put over my hands if it rains, and an air pump for tires. The bag is just a butt pack, and you can see that it flips up for refueling. Also, I used a piece of pipe as a makeshift highway cruising bar--a place to put my feet in a forward position. Note that it was removed for all off roading. Also, the rack is made by cycleracks.com. A bit spendy, but high quality.
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We knew that rain might be coming, and didn't want to have to be riding in it. So we finally decided to pack it in and get down the hill. Kyle humped down to his moto, and I rode my bike out to the power line cut. Unfortunately, as I was riding down to Kyle, I lost control of the bike, and it landed on my foot. Crunch. Ow....that was bad. Is it broken....no, I can stand on it. Well, Kyle cam running up, helped me pick my bike up, and we assessed the situation. My ankle was good enough to limp on, so I decided to ride the bike down the hill, this time with it off, and in first gear. That way, I could let the clutch out to compression brake, and keep better control. I was able to get down the hill, and Kyle came down after me. Here's that damn hill again.
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Once at the bottom we had to get past that little pond, and out onto the road. I could ride, but it was very hard to start my bike--kickstart, remember? And on the same side as the injured foot. Kyle had to start helping me with that. However, we did manage to get out onto the road with some manuevering. I found a deer skull while we were working on getting onto the road. That was when I knew we had leveled up. We rode a little ways down and stopped in the parking lot of Hugh's mountain. I had some wire wrapped around the fuel bottle I carry, and so decided to lash the skull to my bike. I earned that skull.
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Kyle earned pickles:
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We rode for twenty minutes, got fuel in Potosi, and I put some more clothes on. My ankle was hurting like a mild sprain. We rode for another twenty minutes or so, and got lunch at subway. Here I am wrapping the ankle of doom (from Kyles first aid kit). Perhaps Kyle has finally passed the curse on?
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Well, the rest of the trip was uneventful. It wasn't nearly as cold as it was the ride down, and the ankle didn't keep me from getting home. A lot of good lessons learned. Kyle and I need a primer in off roading--and I don't mean a crash course. Otherwise, all of my equipment worked great. It has taken me a long time to put my kit together, and I am continually learning new things.

I have to thank Kyle for taking so many pictures of me in action. Good luck to everyone else, and may the best person win!

One last thing...remember how awesome I said my wife and son were? Well, when I got home, I found that they had baked me a cake to show how much they love me. If I don't win the contest, then that was prize enough!
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby O » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:51 am

Please see my humble contest entry here...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=76939
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:04 am

O wrote:Please see my humble contest entry here...

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=76939


I merged your entry with this thread so it would be considered as they all must be posted here. Now to check it out. :)
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby jamoni » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:06 am

Wish I could have gone with you guys. :(
Then at least one of us would have made it up the mountain. :twisted:
Of course, I would still be riding home right now....
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby O » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:12 am

Thanks WoodsWalker. That was the most detailed and longest post I think I've ever put up. And just in time...now for bed.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby the_alias » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:10 am

O wrote:Thanks WoodsWalker. That was the most detailed and longest post I think I've ever put up. And just in time...now for bed.

Great stuff it is too. :)

How much does the ax weigh? and any shelter pictures?

Have to say I prefer kneeling when splitting wood...gives me better stability!
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Soup » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:46 am

Woods walker: Thank you, and yes, I totally agree, I am VERY cautious with synthetic materials and fire, especially since they also can have these funny melt-and-merge-with-skin effects that are both painful and never heals well.

Anywho, the whole reflector thing was a little experiment in the spirit of "somebody has to eat the blue berries first to see if they are edible". With new materials you get new effects and soultions that are sometimes hard to predict from the old materials, example, you can boil water in a PET bottle in an open fire as the water acts as a constant heatsink on the plastic, as you can do with a papercup over an open flame. I was curious if the interior temperature difference within the pad (as the whole area of the other side was exposed to freezing cold) would regulate the heat in a similar way. If it would be a fail it would still be empirical knowledge and as it is made of polyester it would probably not go up in flames but rather melt instead. I prefer to use my closed cell pads to the self inflating but they where all in the BOL at this particular time, so if it melted it would suck, but not bigtime. But if the equipment was more important to me I wouldn't have done it.

On a related reflection, :wink: I was very curious on how a emergency blanket could be used for added heat reflection. But as the metal film is very thin I assumed that the experiment would go up in flames. :roll: or crash and burn. :roll:

I am starting to have thoughts on aluminium foil in my BOB though, for heat reflection and cooking purposes. It is also useful for hats.


BTW, the thing to find on the last picture is a red trail marking on a tree. I didn't use it though, was useleléss in the snow, but the animal paths that I did use sometimes coincided with it for obvious reasons.

O : I love the oak wedges.

PS. Yes, it is possible to boil stuff in natural materials such as birch bark too. I didn't have a better example at hand. DS.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby riverjoe47 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:25 am

soup ....
Great post . I would like to try that cc ski thing but I definitely have not mastered the uphill part .
I buy this stuff for about $25 a roll . It usually has about 50 to 100 linear feet to the roll . It is meant to be under slab insulation . It has bubbles through out and aluminum on one side and probabley pvc on the other . It is extremely light (like a whole roll weighs less then 30 # . I have recently been experimenting with the flammability of it and found with the alum side in you cant get it to burn . If the pvc catches it just like any other plastic which is unpleasant .
I use it on my 4 man hooch as a solar collector which I have yet to field test . In my humble opinion it is something everybody ought to take along . A 4ft by 6ft ground cloth would weigh less then a pound . The stuff I get is factory seconds so some of the bubbles are deflated etc . I called the auctioneer to see if more is comeing this spring cause Id like to have about 10 more rolls of it . His reply "well get it if we get it " :(

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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:24 pm

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I was around in 72 LOL! I find all acorn kinda suck but the White oaks do seem better and the Chestnut oaks better still or at least that is the case within my AO. By winter most of the acorns have been taken by squirrels and some years are better than others. I liked the map and compass show and tell. That material looks like it would make a great tipi liner for smaller tents though looks a bit bulky to pack but in any case nice DIY shelter. Good looking trip.

O and Kyle.

I was starting to think Kyle was talking smack about entering. :lol: Glad you guy got the chance to get out. We had sleds but this is the only backpack/motorcycle combo trip here. I liked the use of the axe and upside down fire. Those heavy duty survival blankets with grommets rock. The MSS Gortex bivy is good and I liked the makeshift pillow. Good play on packing the tarp if needed. The bivy/tap combo is one of my favorite shelter types. Trangia burners are also a great kit item and that windscreen/pot support looks nice. I really liked O's scandi knives, the neck knife in particular. A shorter blade can do the vast majority of tasks so not surprised he didn’t use the larger knife all that much. I might have to get one though also liked the Helle eggen. I pack the smaller SP101. Ruger revolvers are built like little tanks. Great trip and write up.
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Postby FreeRider » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:56 pm

Here is my video entry for the contest. All shot in wide angle 720p :D. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsW7SFVsTIw

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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby kyle » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:48 pm

Woods Walker wrote:O and Kyle.

I was starting to think Kyle was talking smack about entering. :lol: Glad you guy got the chance to get out. We had sleds but this is the only backpack/motorcycle combo trip here. I liked the use of the axe and upside down fire. Those heavy duty survival blankets with grommets rock. The MSS Gortex bivy is good and I liked the makeshift pillow. Good play on packing the tarp if needed. The bivy/tap combo is one of my favorite shelter types. Trangia burners are also a great kit item and that windscreen/pot support looks nice. I really liked O's scandi knives, the neck knife in particular. A shorter blade can do the vast majority of tasks so not surprised he didn’t use the larger knife all that much. I might have to get one though also liked the Helle eggen. I pack the smaller SP101. Ruger revolvers are built like little tanks. Great trip and write up.


I planned to review my camping trip with the local Wintergheddon trip (link) but I had a camera battery malfunction. This is the only picture I was able to get in before the juice ran out:
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Just for the record, O is entering the contest but I'm not. I think it would be a conflict of interest, due to my position within ZS.

But, I should add a few words to O's long thorough review of our trip and activities just to point out a few things I brought since he posted a picture of me and my gear laid out.


As you can see in the picture above, I humped in all my crap inside a gregory pack. I'm a huge fan of this pack. I comfortably carried just over 80 pounds on my back during the wintergheddon trip. I think the hike in was only about 2+ miles (over very hilly terrain) but I could have easly taken it on a much long hiking trip. Yeah, 80 pounds was a bit excessive. I was purposely being an asshole to my pack and my body to see what the limits were. I did not carry that much weight on this trip since it was all strapped to the bike. It was probably only had about 60 pounds.

O mentioned that he carried a few items. I just want to point out that it wasn't because I over packed. :) The sleeping bag and sleeping pad would normally be attached to the pack but he grabbed it on his way up to not waste a trip hiking down to check on me, while I pushed the bike in the woods and secured it up.

Shelter:
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I've been using this Hennesy Hammock for over 5 years now. I'm a huge fan. It's small, quick to set up and has kept me comfortable under all sorts of conditions. I've used n 90 degree nights with high humity in the summer and negative degree temps in the winter. It's all about how you stuff yourself in there that matters. This trip the hammock kept me and my crap off the soggy cold ground. I slept quite well.

Tools consisted of a mora knife, leatherman multitool, Bob Dustrude Quick Buck Saw and K-bar. Normally I would have brought my eastwing axe but O brought his axe so I left it at home. Worst case, I could have used my K-bar to split wood by battoning. I've done that quite a bit in the past with no trouble as long as I stick with smaller diameter logs.

I just want to point out that O's axe was sharp enough to actually shave with. I'm not kidding.

With first-aid equipment, I do tend to go way above and beyond. It is easily 4 pounds of kit but it has served me well through many Zombie Cons where you will find no shortage of people slipping and hurting themselves down the side of that hill. Sometimes that has been me. OK, maybe, most of the time it has been me. Although, this trip, O was the one that got hurt, as he already pointed out.

We both used Yaesu VX-3R HTs for this trip. They work great as long as you aren't more than a couple miles or so line-of-sight away from each other since they don't put out a lot of power - but they are nice and small.

I can't think of what else to point out. Standard camping equipment. Nothing exciting.

I rarely ever bring a stove with me. I have a small alcohol stove but it is older, poorly designed and sort of a pain to use so I generally only bring it with me if I'm going on a trip to a conservation area that doesn't allow open campfires. However, O showed me the luxury of having a hot drink in the morning before getting to work with his well designed stove. I'm sold.

The only thing I wish I would have brought was salt. I apparently used up the last of my salt on a previous trip and failed to refill it. Don't forget the salt!

I also brought a Go board in case we got some down time.
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I had a lot of fun. The ride out and back was the best part. I hope to get time for a few road trips to ride out and camp with some other ZS folks this year.

Thanks for putting on this contest, guys! I've learned a lot reading through these posts.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:23 pm

the recent enries kick ass! good job guys!

myself and the judges will have our work cut out for us... damn! :D
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby riverjoe47 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:26 pm

Oh no you don't . No break for you . You need to get back there and read the second half of my novella . In it you'll find drama , intrigue (well maybe no intrigue ) life and death narrow escapes . Historical referances ,and blunders aplenty .
Thanks to all involved with this contest ,especially darkside and woodswalker .
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:56 pm

riverjoe47 wrote:Oh no you don't . No break for you . You need to get back there and read the second half of my novella . In it you'll find drama , intrigue (well maybe no intrigue ) life and death narrow escapes . Historical referances ,and blunders aplenty .
Thanks to all involved with this contest ,especially darkside and woodswalker .


Jeans are a big no go in the snow so glad you changed those out. I think this is the Maple sap time of year and I liked the videos. I also have the same lantern and like most mantle lanterns they do put off heat but inside an enclosed tent this is a BIG risk. Under a tarp they're just fine. You mentioned cots and I wonder if there was an insulated pad on top. A cot without an insulated pad is bad news in winter as the sleeping bag’s insulation would get compressed under a person’s body weight. That combined with air circulation under the cot and a person will freeze.

I would get both a closed cell and insulated inflatable pad combined with a bag rated below the expected low temps. A proper bag is weight well worth packing in my view. Your homemade stove with a shelter would have made the outing much easier.

Looks like great outing and I especially liked the Maple sap videos.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:05 pm

FreeRider

That video rocks! I also hate to burn most softwood in my stove as they can toss sparks burning holes in a nylon tent. Damp wood can make a stove run much cooler as it takes a great deal of energy just to boil the water out of the wood.

There are a bunch of great entries here and everyone of them a winner. :D
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Postby riverjoe47 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:17 pm

I just got interested in sugaring seriously last winter when I saw an old guy pumping liquid into a 1 ton pickup with a monster tank on it .
He showed me his elaborate plumbing gathering all his sap at the bottom of a ridge in big buckets .
Next day I went over to his sugar shack made out of used windows galvanized metal right out of Norman Rockwell . He had rigged an elaborate stainless steel labarynth which made the sap by the time it reached the end into syrup . He had about a 200 gallon tank which gravity fed into his setup after he pumped it up there out of his truck . This old guy was pushing 80 but he was flying around that shack like a teenager . Used mostly old pallets for fuel .
You know I think about what you said on the cots . I had my trusty foam I rescued from a foam factory , but Kenny had nothing . Maybe thats another reason he reached that point . I should have watched out for him better then I did but he kind of surprised me just showing up like that right at dark . Don't get me wrong it was great having another old fart for company . He too is on Social Security .
Yeah my stove as youve prolly seen is a little too hefty to hump at 30 lbs and now my stack came in at 10 lbs . Ive got to redo that with thinner stainless material . It works out fine in the new streamlined hooch mobile at a mere 160 pounds .
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:10 pm

there is still some time to get your entries posted up!

i had to go through the thread page by page tonight, and i cant belive the kick ass trips that have been posted so far!
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Postby O » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:40 pm

Alias- Honestly, I'm not sure how much the ax weighs. The head is 1.75lbs, and the handle is maybe a half a pound to 3/4s, I would wager. You can look at it here.

http://www.counciltool.com/product.asp? ... em=175HB28

Much of the techniques I use to sharpen it I found here.
http://blueandwhitecrew.org/resources/t ... ngaxes.php

I use a 30x1inch belt sander from harbor freight to do the sharpening work, and a file to get the geometry of the edge initially.

After I got that ax, I stumbled on this fella's blog entry.
http://camper-share.com/profiles/blogs/ ... t-ax-exist

I totally agree with him in that I think anything over boy's axe size is just inviting danger for recreation. In fact, I've been considering selling my big double bit ax, as I never use it, and just feel like it is too dangerous for this weekend warrior. Let me say again that I love my Hudson bay 28" from council tool. However, I just got a new northern tool 1.5lb ax, and am going to rehandle it following this guy's advice:
http://woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2010/11 ... bruks.html

The geometry on the northern tool ax head that I got is beautiful. I really can't wait to get it sharpened and rehung.

The only pic of my shelter in use has the fire in the foreground. Honestly, I didn't even have to rig a tarp, though I had one with me. I just used my goretex bivy cover.

Also, I don't like to split wood on my knees. I am flexible enough, and have good enough balance to stay on my feet. Plus the ground was all wet.

WoodsWalker, I made and used a pulk for the 001 chapter wintergheddon. The pole attachment system needs more work, and I didn't take pictures to be able to enter it into the contest. However, I did get to display a good amount of rope and knot skills as I organized and led the moving of a 20 ft section of oak tree up a steep hill and into camp--that eventually ended up as two new benches. You can catch a little bit about it some here:
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Postby aa1pr » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:57 pm

FreeRider wrote:Here is my video entry for the contest. All shot in wide angle 720p :D. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsW7SFVsTIw

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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:09 pm

O wrote:WoodsWalker, I made and used a pulk for the 001 chapter wintergheddon. The pole attachment system needs more work, and I didn't take pictures to be able to enter it into the contest. However, I did get to display a good amount of rope and knot skills as I organized and led the moving of a 20 ft section of oak tree up a steep hill and into camp--that eventually ended up as two new benches. You can catch a little bit about it some here:
http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... 56&t=75218

Looks like that was a great trip. How did you like the tipi?
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Postby Regulator » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:45 pm

FreeRider, Great video! Looks like a nice place for spending time outdoors. Cool equipment but the piece that interests me the most you didn't say much about. Tell me more about that GoPro! Nice quality video and audio. Was it windy at all while you were out? Anyrate, I checked their website, but would be interested in your observations and opinions on them. Btw, which models do you have?
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Postby O » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:56 pm

The tipi was great. I originally suggested the idea of camping with Pistol Pete, as I have a small wood burning stove from knico, but have yet to make a tent for it (I make a lot of equipment if you couldn't tell...). Pete had the tent--so we made good combo. I think everyone in camp was envious, and people would come and hang out in it for short spells to warm up and chat. It was great to entertain like that. Also, I was very glad to have a warm shelter in case someone got seriously injured (think lots of city slickers with lots of axes). There was some condensation frozen to the walls in the morning, but nothing too bad. It was sized for 4 people, but it might be tough to do that and use a stove. We did have three people in the tent the second night though, and that worked fine.
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Premise: Industrial accident at the power plant near my home and work in Minnesota has forced an impromptu evacuation.

Stage 1: We grab my BOB ( viewtopic.php?f=14&t=52304 ) and go.

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Left to right: Paper towels, snow shovel, lock box containing documents, misc bag, sleeping bag, BOB, boots. Unseen is a black powder rifle.

Stage 2: We have real tire trouble along the way. I pull into a mechanics, they tell me I have to wait for a change until Wednesday as they are busy and have no tires available. I find a junk yard, pay $10 for a used tire, return to the mechanic and pay $15 for them to fit the new tire to my vehicle after explaining that I am mid travel.

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Stage 3: We retreat from the Twin Cities metro area to the Chippewa National Forest and Leech Lake Indian Reservation.

Stage 4: My bug out location is snowed in and my car can not traverse the terrain. I call an associate with connections to local resorts and ask for a place to stay. I’ve got a room and beer for free.

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Closing Summary: I spent my day outside with my car due to problems not foreseen in planning this exercise and then was unable to reach my ideal BOL.

Conclusion: While I have worked on bushcraft in the past ( viewtopic.php?f=92&t=70424 ) I did not for this exercise because I improvised when met with challenges. Networking, communication, and improvisation are skills that are just as important as being able to start a fire.

Functionally this is all I used:
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