The Winter Bug Out Contest! Rookie of The Year Award!

Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:54 pm

aa1pr wrote: I should have placed the patrol bag beneath the hammock, however when its that cold you really do not feel like messing with things in the middle of the night. Better to lay still and conserve what heat you have. I was really disappointed with the way that there was an air gap around the edge of the under cover and the over cover.

The wind blew any remianing snow for the most part off the trees and branches. I really think it was a coydog off in the distance, since we were close to the field he did not come close? I am not afraid of any natural animals except Bigfoot LOL really wanted to get higher up on the ridge to a nice overlook but the wind was insane.

For me being cold I do not feel that whatever I would have done would have helped. I had on my ecwcs polar thermals and a down jacket on the top followed by the parka and the bottom had the same thermals, pants, fleece and the omnitech pants. Once the back was aching from the cold I was done and it was a matter of just toughing it out and sucking it up. I may look into a tipi or other shelter that offers the use of a stove and also allows me to sleep on a air pad off the ground say in a cot.


Cold back is an issue with hammocks. I don’t have the overcover but like that the undercover blocks some of the wind but that can only go so far. Given the strong winds and temps the system alone isn’t enough. I have spent more than a few nights awake from the cold and found that it’s best to do something about it even if I don’t want to. The extra activity alone often helps. Insulation under your body weight would get compressed but putting that insulation under the hammock supported by the undercover might have helped big time. If you go the heated shelter route a Downmat 9 DLX would work well. Once you winter camp with a heated shelter there is no turning back.

All that being said I don't know of anyone who hasn't had a bad night sleeping out at one time or another.
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Postby Jamie » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:57 pm

I have a hammock sock that I used during the ZSNY winter camping trip, and it makes a world of difference...I slept comfortably during a cold and windy night, without gloves of balaclava...It makes a comfortable microclimate that completely fixed the frozen nose and cold butt syndrome that bugged me about cold-camping in a hammock...



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Postby elricfate » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:52 pm

Here is the rifle I used as a makeshift walking stick. It's a modified and refinished Toz 78-01. Modifications are just the M1 Garand buttstock plate, as previously mentioned, and paracord sling.

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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:04 pm

elricfate - nice looking rifle setup. can you tell me more about that rifle?

on a side note, im wondering if we will have any last minute entries? :)
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Postby elricfate » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:13 pm

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:elricfate - nice looking rifle setup. can you tell me more about that rifle?

on a side note, im wondering if we will have any last minute entries? :)


Depends on what you want to know. It's a Tula rifle (Toz 78-01) bolt action in .22lr. Comes with 2x5rd mags and 2x10rd mags, was an ugly orange with pressed on checkering. The thing that was its redeeming quality is I picked it up NIB for $140 OTD. These were made with with olympic-cut chambers and extremely tight barrels. The trigger is fully adjustable with an included flathead screwdriver tool. The front sight is a Mosin style sight, adjustable, and the rear sight is a paddle sight with 25-50-75-100 markings. It came from the Tula factory with markings in the manual that stated it was capable of shooting 26mm groups at 50 yards, which is just a smidgen over an inch. These are, for lack of a better term, .22lr mosin nagants.

I had it for a few years before I tore it down, bedded the stock and receiver, filed the action where it almost imperceptibly caught the bolt, adjusted the trigger to a very crisp and light pull, sanded off the checkering and refinished the whole thing.

I fell in love with the cheap russian I brought home. The only thing you can get comparable to it now is the Winchester Wildcat, which is an americanized version minus the adjustable trigger. Or if you're very lucky, you'll find it or one of its variants on the market. The Toz 99 is the semi-auto version, there's a heavy barreled 78 with a fancy walnut stock (somewhere), there's a .308 version floating around called the Toz 220 (I believe), and so on.
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Postby DonTrusTheMEDIA » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:14 am

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:
on a side note, im wondering if we will have any last minute entries? :)


I didn't think I was going to make the deadline due to work, and then last week I was sick, but it looks like I have this weekend off so I am going to just squeak in. I will be doing a 1 nighter on Sunday/Monday, might get out tomorrow night as well but I got some stuff to do in town so it is 50/50. Looks like -24C overnight on Sunday with snow on both days. Should be fun.
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Postby bark-eater » Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:52 am

I didn't quite finish my home work on time...

But I got a little more done on the bus......... calling it done.

Thanks for setting this up. I was planning to take this trip before the contest came around, but I don't think I would have learned as much with out having such a good audience to report to..
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Postby the_alias » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:16 am

I've just re-read the entire thread - simply awesome number of entries. I wish I had commented on more but everyone has done great trips.
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I think we should have a viewers choice , 1st, 2nd, 3rd with the offers Kyle has put forward!
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:59 am

elricfate wrote:
xxxDarksidexxx wrote:elricfate - nice looking rifle setup. can you tell me more about that rifle?

on a side note, im wondering if we will have any last minute entries? :)


Depends on what you want to know. It's a Tula rifle (Toz 78-01) bolt action in .22lr. Comes with 2x5rd mags and 2x10rd mags, was an ugly orange with pressed on checkering. The thing that was its redeeming quality is I picked it up NIB for $140 OTD. These were made with with olympic-cut chambers and extremely tight barrels. The trigger is fully adjustable with an included flathead screwdriver tool. The front sight is a Mosin style sight, adjustable, and the rear sight is a paddle sight with 25-50-75-100 markings. It came from the Tula factory with markings in the manual that stated it was capable of shooting 26mm groups at 50 yards, which is just a smidgen over an inch. These are, for lack of a better term, .22lr mosin nagants.

I had it for a few years before I tore it down, bedded the stock and receiver, filed the action where it almost imperceptibly caught the bolt, adjusted the trigger to a very crisp and light pull, sanded off the checkering and refinished the whole thing.

I fell in love with the cheap russian I brought home. The only thing you can get comparable to it now is the Winchester Wildcat, which is an americanized version minus the adjustable trigger. Or if you're very lucky, you'll find it or one of its variants on the market. The Toz 99 is the semi-auto version, there's a heavy barreled 78 with a fancy walnut stock (somewhere), there's a .308 version floating around called the Toz 220 (I believe), and so on.


awesome! i would love to have one of those. i like my .22 and IMO a .22 is a must have rifle. thanks for all the info. :D
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:03 am

the_alias wrote:I've just re-read the entire thread - simply awesome number of entries. I wish I had commented on more but everyone has done great trips.
:mrgreen:

I think we should have a viewers choice , 1st, 2nd, 3rd with the offers Kyle has put forward!


im going to be reading through all of the posts again this weekend so they are all fresh in my head. i agree everyone did an awesome job.

we will have a viewers choice. we will remove the top three judged winners, and then open a poll for the top three viewers choice. this gives six people a chance to win. :wink:
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Postby Woods Walker » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:43 pm

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:
the_alias wrote:I've just re-read the entire thread - simply awesome number of entries. I wish I had commented on more but everyone has done great trips.
:mrgreen:

I think we should have a viewers choice , 1st, 2nd, 3rd with the offers Kyle has put forward!


im going to be reading through all of the posts again this weekend so they are all fresh in my head. i agree everyone did an awesome job.

we will have a viewers choice. we will remove the top three judged winners, and then open a poll for the top three viewers choice. this gives six people a chance to win. :wink:


There is still time for more people to enter so anyone still considering doing so should head out now.
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:33 pm

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xxxDarksidexxx wrote:
the_alias wrote:I've just re-read the entire thread - simply awesome number of entries. I wish I had commented on more but everyone has done great trips.
:mrgreen:

I think we should have a viewers choice , 1st, 2nd, 3rd with the offers Kyle has put forward!


im going to be reading through all of the posts again this weekend so they are all fresh in my head. i agree everyone did an awesome job.

we will have a viewers choice. we will remove the top three judged winners, and then open a poll for the top three viewers choice. this gives six people a chance to win. :wink:


There is still time for more people to enter so anyone still considering doing so should head out now.


very true WW... i was hopeing to see a couple last minute entries. maybe some folks head out this weekend... :)
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Postby TacAir » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:12 pm

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:
xxxDarksidexxx wrote:
the_alias wrote:I've just re-read the entire thread - simply awesome number of entries. I wish I had commented on more but everyone has done great trips.
:mrgreen:

I think we should have a viewers choice , 1st, 2nd, 3rd with the offers Kyle has put forward!


im going to be reading through all of the posts again this weekend so they are all fresh in my head. i agree everyone did an awesome job.

we will have a viewers choice. we will remove the top three judged winners, and then open a poll for the top three viewers choice. this gives six people a chance to win. :wink:


There is still time for more people to enter so anyone still considering doing so should head out now.


very true WW... i was hopeing to see a couple last minute entries. maybe some folks head out this weekend... :)


I had hoped to do an urban BO, but temps have ranged from a high of -0F (too stupid to do a RON without a good reason) to +40, all within a week - and the temps have bounced like that for the last 2 weeks, so the snow pack is far to fragile for me to try something out of town.

Maybe this summer..... All the posted entires have been good reading.
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Postby riverjoe47 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:33 pm

riverjoes last minute entry . or
Things I learned enroute to show everybody what I thought I knew .

First of all let me just say the quality of this group has never been more evident to me . Everyone ,and I mean everyone , has written with complete candor with the goal of helping us fellow preppers rather then impressing us . Thanks to all .

Plan A .....
Illustrate a two stage bug out with a semi permanent base for the purpose of forageing , strategic retreat or as a way station for less mobile bugoutees such as grandparents , children , or the handicapped .
This structure shall be able to withstand the elements for at least one or two winters and shall be able to be heated efficiently and be able to be somewhat stealthy or easily camoflaged .
This base will be established by facillitators who are themselves independantly able to survive in extreme winter conditions with the gear that they carry on their person .
Ok that was the plan . Here is the gear Ive been working on to accomplish this lofty goal .

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And here we are attempting to drag this gear out to the AO .

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and here we are shortly after capsizing . Could not pick up sled and had to beg wife for help . After getting the sled back to the barn I weighed it ....325 lbs . :o

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Postby RGR SNAPLINK » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:00 pm

Wow Riverjoe!

Good on ya for trying that. How far did you make it?
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Postby wyominglostandfound » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:22 pm

looks like he made it as far as the bird feeder..... Epic! :D
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Postby Woods Walker » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:45 pm

RiverJoe.

I have never seen anything like that sled/cart thing or shelter/stove combo. I have to look at that again just to make certain my eyes aren't playing tricks.
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:57 pm

i gotta say thats one hell of a setup there riverjoe!!!

the whole setup make me smile! i know you made your sled, and the shelter looks home made as well. i MUST know more about this whole rig!

have you considered buying a clydesdale to pull it all? :lol:

really cool stuff riverjoe! :D
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Postby Woods Walker » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:15 am

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:i gotta say thats one hell of a setup there riverjoe!!!

the whole setup make me smile! i know you made your sled, and the shelter looks home made as well. i MUST know more about this whole rig!

have you considered buying a clydesdale to pull it all? :lol:

really cool stuff riverjoe! :D


I want to know more about the shelter. :D
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Postby riverjoe47 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:25 am

Ok after dragging the sledge back to the barn and weighing it I got to thinking . The shelter weighed in about 65 or 70 pounds the stove was 30 the stack about 10 (Ive got to rebuild that out of thin stainless) so where's the other 200 pounds ? I started taking off anything not related that I had thrown on at the last minute . "this only weighs a few pounds think Ill throw that in ." that sort of thing .
I had broken a weld on the sled (big surprise ) but I wired it up temporarily and tested it with nothing but shelter and stove .
So here I am testing with just shelter , stove , christmas tree bag and sled .
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As you can see pretty easy after 160 pounds . Also no ruck . I think I could pull this pretty easily but Id want a partner to bring bedding , food etc .
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Postby Soup » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:44 am

So this is one of the anticipated laste entries, I originally had planned to do this earlier in he week, but as I busted my car I had to wait until this weekend.
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The BOV (yup, pretty much as all-terrain as you can get. :wink: ) With which i reached my destination. My plan was to take another route to another destination in the vicinity, but when i scouted it the day before I realized that the sheer amount of snow made it a less viable option.

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Starting point.
Considering climate vs. personal comfort and the popularity of me felling trees in a natural reserve I opted to add my bigger BOB's extrapack to my pack. That Includes Tent, extra sleeping bag and a self inflating sleeping pad. This is gear that also instantly makes this a two person BOB instead of a single person BOB. I did not like the extra bulk but there are always tradeoffs in comfort.

Btw. I'm skiing in and trekking out. I like to have that extra option as I have no prior knowledge of the area. I left my snowshoes in the car as I believe them to have similar pros and cons to the skis except for the extra speed you get with skis.


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I would have loved to use the swedish army skis "vita blixten" (white lightning) as they are broader and carry loads better in the snow and are dirt cheap, but I can't find them at a sensible price in the vicinity of Uppsala or Stockholm. These skis that I am wearing are fast and energy effective but in deep snow you are in deep s**t.

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Using map and trying get some idea of where I am, Ah, Sweet powercables!

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a lot of information on the map is useless under 3 feet of snow So you LOVE the information that is still accessible. Mmm... Powercables, can't get enough of them.

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The road less travelled, except by animals. Found old tracks from one person during the campout, other than that it was animal tracks, mostly roe deer.

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This stuff sucks with skis. I travelled over what i think used to be a lake and nowadays is a maze of birch trees. If it is already dark, you are not sure where you are going, you are repeatedly tripped by branches that are frozen to the ground, then realize that your gaiters are filled with snow as you did not check the kneestrap on them properly, and finally notice that the mouthpice of your hydration system is squeezed under the strap of your backpack so that you are soaked in water in subzero temps; Then it is ok to curse. once. Just once. And then carry on.

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I planned to set up my fire at a designated fireplace as this is a natural reserve. I choose to do this because it is the easiest way to get into proper terrain without the need to seek permission in the vicinity of where I live. Only problem is that you have to use firewood that is available at these designated locations as you are prohibited from cutting branches. I knew this, I counted on it. Nothing is certain, especially not firewood. Somebody had taken it. Time to go foraging in the snooooooow. Lots and lots of fun!

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But soon enough;

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This is a thought on the problems with self inflating sleeping pads in low temps, with added value: heat reflector and a warm cosy sleeping pad to lie on, as long as you give it at least 15-20 cm to the flames it seems to be ok with the heat.

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Here I had a conundrum;

Alternative A: Sleep in the Shelter.

Alternative B: Sleep in the Tent.

Considering that I had done enough damage to the firs as it was and wouldn't be able to use their branches as insulation under the tent, and that I had to work in the afternoon the next day, I choose Alternative C: Pitch the tent IN the shelter.

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Boiling water for dinner

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Yes, my feet are steaming.

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After changing pretty much everything to dry nightwear I had dinner, read a book, had a cup of coffee and listened to some handcranked radio.
Life is nice when you are dry.

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Way to much space for one person, but as I said, I carry gear for a party of two. (And what a party it would be! :D )

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Packing up with sleeping bag and dry clothes in airtight drysacks.

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I carry doubles of dehydrated food and put the leftovers from cooking in a food thermos, altough you have to be quick to eat it in the winter.

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Made some food and coffee in the trangia in the morning, for no particular reason, could as easily have done it over the fire.

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Working gloves are to die for. hot pans, working the fire, etc...

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Leaving. The pack was way low on the back, I corrected it. On my hip hangs a lowepro carrying case for my telephoto lens that I sometimes use to carry my coffee thermos.

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Roe deer tracks, good eating on those.

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There is a trail in the woods that you can use if you can find it. Can you?

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Postby DonTrusTheMEDIA » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:50 pm

well I'm out. I had all my cloths on, bag packed, and was driving my truck to my staging point when I got a text from work that we need to work tomorrow morning. I will be doing a trip anyways hopefully soon and will post it up.
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Postby FreeRider » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:03 pm

Wow, talk about cutting it close! I just finished editing some video and should have it uploaded by tomorrow around lunch if everything goes to plan. Entries are all looking great so far!
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Postby Woods Walker » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:12 pm

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Great looking trip. :D Synthetic materials and fire don’t mix so I would reconsider that whole fire/pad thing. Sometimes softwood can toss some nasty sparks. Putting your free standing tent inside the lean-to was good thinking as you didn’t have to deal with the snow. A deep snow base makes everything harder including looking for fire wood. Welcome to ZS.
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