Poseidon wrote:why are you putting the food in the water proof container? thats where i would put my electronics, batteries, playing cards. Matches and Bic to start a fire kit (if you think ones necessary)
Honestly, I'm not sure. I had bought the item thinking that I would use it for kayaking trips and then just kept putting food in it. Looks like the general idea is ditch the container.
Bakeel wrote:I don't know if you carry both the tent and the hammock but I would choose one because of weight and space considerations. Also i think i would take the food out of the water proof container and put it in a dry bag again for weight and space. Good kit, don't forget to take it for a shake down.
Thanks for the comment. While the tent does take up space, its about the size of a key board and is manageable. I am not sure that I can sleep in a hammok but defently like to relax in it. I have to get out and test if I can actually sleep in it and the comfort level too, to see if perhaps I can ditch one or the other. Again, looks like another vote to loose the container.
2now wrote:Nice kit, what does it weight as shown?
What do you have in your m404 pack?
how many days do you expect your food to stretch out to?
Things to still address:
Communications? [FRS, Ham, AM/FM,]
personal data, $
I don't have a fish scale and will try to weigh the pack on a regular scale when I get home.
Inside the m404 pack is a lighter, all weather paper, pencil, compass/whistle, needles & thread, small multi tool, water purification straw, emergency blanket, fish hooks, sling shot band, loaf pan, duct tape, signaling mirror, money, suture & an orange bandanna. There might be more but I can't remember right now.
I only expect the food to stretch out to 3 days max, I have plenty of more mountain house meals but really need to get mainstay bars. As for the things to address; map is cover. It was in the green small bag. Iniside of it contains a map of the area with emergency routes marked out and other important location too. Money and personal data is also located in this bag. Communications I have a simple AM/FM radio, as for self defense, I do have items, just didn't want to post them
omega_man wrote:Good start, but...
-ditch the wool blanket for a poncho liner
-take your food out of the WP boxes, use freezer bags
-when you get a chance, swap your thermals and socks for polypro and/ or wool varieties ( I just -spent the holidays were there is snow and family and built many snowmen, sledded, and hiked wearing merino sock liners, ragwool socks, and Merrell ventilators and my feet stayed toasty warm without the magical powers of gore-tex).
-Hammock, tarp, and tent? Pick two
-your compass is going to be lonely without a map
-if you plan on cooking everything with an alcohol stove, you need more fuel. I also suggest denatured alcohol over everclear (keeps me from drinking my stove fuel). My experience yields 3-5 tbsp denatured alcohol per cup of H2O. I pack a pilots flask and use plastic lab pipettes to administer my alcohol to my Tecate and PBR stoves.
Now, I am looking at this BOB more from a camping perspective given what I see. A serious bob still needs some kind of comm and weapons. I'm not saying go for the current tactical fads, but a dedicated SD sidearm and survival rifle (think small game) belong in even the most pacifist of BOBs.
-Yea, the wool blanket was one of my first purchases when I started out. I have never used it besides as a mat on the floor.
-Will take the food out of the container, general thought so far
-Will have look into better options then my current thermals
-While I do agree that I should really only have two, the tent is fine by itself and the hammock needs a trap. A lot of the theory here is two is one and one is none. A little bit of redundancy I know but like I said above, going to give the hammock a try for sleeping and see if what the comfort level is like.
-Map is covered
-I do have some Heet and have thought about using denatured alcohol. Originally I had only planed on using the alcohol stove when times were rough. I love using my Swedish mess kit over an open fire so I am guessing the ratio might be 50% if on the move. The everclear was a little bit of a mulit tool for getting drunk or disinfect if need be but if on the move, having fuel seems like a much better idea.
While I do look at this as more of a camping pack, I do have self defense gear. I did not post any pics or descriptions of it but it is basic, nothing as advanced as some of the peoples load out here.