Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

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Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby WhoShotJR » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:59 pm

I know all you regulars will say this is simplistic, but it's aimed at beginners.
Think of it this way: The difference between having 3% of the electricity you desire and having 0% is literally like day and night. This also goes for heat, communications, and every other system you rely on in your day-to-day life. So even if you can only move your total preparation from 0% to 3%, you will still have significantly improved your situation.


http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/what-should-i-do-part-i/42449


The above quote and link got me thinking of approaching preps like a ladder, taking one step at a time. Imagine the whole ladder as your total prep goals, with each step representing 5% of each individual goal. You have a twenty rung ladder in front of you to climb, each one a well defined step. A simple example:

I decide that my overall prepping goals are to have six months worth of food stored, one month of stored water, six months of emergency cash, a high capacity water filter, a solar voltaic system to run the basic household items, and emergency heat for one month.

You need to have a overall goal you want to reach for each item, so to put some numbers to the above with nice, even numbers let's say:

six months of food/20 = 9 days of food = 18000 calories
one month stored water/20 = 1.5 days worth of stored water = 3 gallons
six months of emergency cash/20 = $6000/20 = $300
emergency heat for one month = 100 lbs of propane/20 = 5 lbs of propane
solar voltaic system desired = 1000 watt system/20 = 50 watt system

The water filter is an example where this can get tricky, which is why I included it. Let's say your goal is to have a Big Berkey. So maybe the first three steps on the ladder are one Frontier filter straw per step, each other step is to save money for the Berkey. Or maybe step one is coffee filters and Katadyn tablets, and then you start buying individual filter elements.

Now you have easy to achieve steps laid out in front of you, the faster you get them done the better. Real world examples will be more complex, obviously, but for the above you'd get 18000 cals of food, 3 gal of water, $300 cash, 5 lbs propane, and a small 50 watt solar system. When that's completed, do it again, and again, until your goals are reached. Rinse and repeat.

The two major advantages I see to approaching it this way are that 1) You never know when a bad situation will come up or what it will be, this way you have a well rounded cushion, and 2) It makes big goals like a larger solar system seem more attainable.


Imagine Joe starts out the above plan with nothing in preps, and makes it to step 8 when he experiences the dreaded week long power outage. In the middle of winter. With the roads so impassable that grocery trucks can't deliver, and he can't get to work. Pretty bad situation to be in, but luckily he didn't spend all his money on a one year supply of freeze dried food. Instead he has 70+ days of food, 12 days worth of water with a way to filter more, $2400 cash, 40 lbs of propane, and 400 watts worth of solar power.


You can apply to same mindset to lots of different things as well. Let's say part of your overall goal is to have 5 pairs of heavy duty wool socks, but that's $100 worth, a lot to spend on just socks. Just include $5 at each step to buy them, and every 4 steps buy a pair. Point is to maintain an overall well prepared stockpile as opposed to blowing all of your money on a prep that might not even be the one you wind up needing.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby tarafore » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:31 am

Thank you! This is an awesome post, and I'm going to subscribe to updates. Bravo!
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby ODA 226 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:52 am

Never thought about prepping in that manner. Great post! Thanks!
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby DannusMaximus » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:25 pm

I like it!
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby prepper7 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:52 pm

This is so excellent... <yoink!> (me stealing it--with proper attribution, of course--to explain balanced prepping to noobs)
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby maldon007 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:23 pm

100% agree, good stuff.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby none1 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:07 am

So .. where's the elephant and when does the eating start? Oh wait .. this is a prepping thread, i thought it was a thread on how to best make use of an elephant if you found one in the paw ...... or that you were inviting us over for a glorious roast beast feast ..... and OH WAIT your prep list is dangerously low on GUNS AND AMMO ...... /wink

The LDS manual takes this "ladder" type approach you've outlined, but only with food. For example, their "build up one year food supply" plan doesn't have you buing all your sugar at one time, or all your wheat, etc., but buying food in rounds and with a priority system.

They don't extend it to "all around" preps the way you have. Nice.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby WhoShotJR » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:21 pm

none1 wrote:So .. where's the elephant and when does the eating start? Oh wait .. this is a prepping thread, i thought it was a thread on how to best make use of an elephant if you found one in the paw ...... or that you were inviting us over for a glorious roast beast feast ..... and OH WAIT your prep list is dangerously low on GUNS AND AMMO ...... /wink



I can't help but imagine Fred Flintstone gnawing on a huge woolly mammoth rib.

Guns and ammo would work well here too. $1000 can buy a quality used handgun, a rifle or a shotgun, a good amount of ammo, and safety training classes. $50 a step.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby WhoShotJR » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:41 pm

Keeping people new to prepping in mind, I've been trying to come up with a way to improve this idea, and think I have.

Given the whole idea that being 3% prepared is better than nothing, and that a disaster might make you leave your home, maybe the first step should be to build a portable, well rounded system. A BOB. Nothing fancy, just a ready to go system that can cover your needs either at home or on the go. Obviously budgets will vary, but with what most people have laying around and $500 anyone can build a kit with:

A small, flexible solar battery charger can be had for $60 on Amazon.
Photocopies of important documents.
A few days of shelf stable, portable food.
Water bottles.
Extra clothes.
Tarp or cheap tent.
Sleeping bag.
Cash.
Stove of some sort, wood burning, alcohol...
Personal protection, firearm, pepper spray...
Flashlight or headlamp.
A pot or two.
Knife.
Water disinfection tabs and coffee filters, or a filter straw.
Rechargeable batteries.
Small first aid kit.
A bag to put it all it, doesn't matter if it's just a trash bag.


That should put anyone at the 3% mark, and be portable to boot. Again, it doesn't have to be fancy, have something now that can be upgraded later. Here's a link to the old Poor Man's Bob Contest.

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=54612


Thoughts, additions, criticisms?
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby CitizenZ » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:02 pm

I look at prepping in terms of most likely/probable, storm/power failure, thru to zombie apocalypse/astriod. I'll never be ready for the astroid, but a few days without electricity is just a minor annoyance.

5% increments sound good. Lot better than nothing.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby Grainman » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:02 pm

This is a good idea, but one thing to note is that some things are cheaper in bulk. For instance a 1000 Watt solar system is going to be cheaper than 20 50 Watt solar systems, or a 20kg bag of rice will be cheaper than 20 1kg bags. Obviously still a good idea, but you should keep the cost differences in mind.

One compromise would be to double the amount you get for each step; this would allow you to get started fast, while having the advantages of buying in bulk in the later stages. Something like starting with 1/32 of your goal which comes pretty close to the 3%. For example using the original goals the first batch would be:

12000 calories,
2 gallons
$200
3lbs of propane (I think it's more convenient to buy in 5lb packs though isn't it?)
30-40 watt solar

For the second batch you need to bring your total up to 1/16, so just add the same again, then after that you want to bring your total up to 1/8 of your goal, then 1/4, then 1/2, and then actually get to your goal.

Realistically though a plan based purely on a formula isn't going to be the best plan. The idea of doing a little bit at a time though is important. Probably I'd go with something like getting the first 5%-10% done using something like this, and then try to plan out the remainder in more cost-effective ways.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby WhoShotJR » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:31 pm

Grainman wrote:This is a good idea, but one thing to note is that some things are cheaper in bulk. For instance a 1000 Watt solar system is going to be cheaper than 20 50 Watt solar systems, or a 20kg bag of rice will be cheaper than 20 1kg bags. Obviously still a good idea, but you should keep the cost differences in mind.

One compromise would be to double the amount you get for each step; this would allow you to get started fast, while having the advantages of buying in bulk in the later stages. Something like starting with 1/32 of your goal which comes pretty close to the 3%. For example using the original goals the first batch would be:

12000 calories,
2 gallons
$200
3lbs of propane (I think it's more convenient to buy in 5lb packs though isn't it?)
30-40 watt solar

For the second batch you need to bring your total up to 1/16, so just add the same again, then after that you want to bring your total up to 1/8 of your goal, then 1/4, then 1/2, and then actually get to your goal.

Realistically though a plan based purely on a formula isn't going to be the best plan. The idea of doing a little bit at a time though is important. Probably I'd go with something like getting the first 5%-10% done using something like this, and then try to plan out the remainder in more cost-effective ways.




I 100% agree that it is a more expensive way of doing it, considering shipping costs, scales of economy, etc. I was expecting (and hoping for) more critiques than this thread has seen so far. Thank you for some new ideas. I've been at this so long, and made so many mistakes that I want others not to have to go through. I keep trying to make threads that are good for 90% of people, just general good advice. Any input is appreciated.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby Torvald » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:07 am

Grainman wrote:This is a good idea, but one thing to note is that some things are cheaper in bulk. For instance a 1000 Watt solar system is going to be cheaper than 20 50 Watt solar systems, or a 20kg bag of rice will be cheaper than 20 1kg bags. Obviously still a good idea, but you should keep the cost differences in mind.

One compromise would be to double the amount you get for each step; this would allow you to get started fast, while having the advantages of buying in bulk in the later stages. Something like starting with 1/32 of your goal which comes pretty close to the 3%. For example using the original goals the first batch would be:

12000 calories,
2 gallons
$200
3lbs of propane (I think it's more convenient to buy in 5lb packs though isn't it?)
30-40 watt solar

For the second batch you need to bring your total up to 1/16, so just add the same again, then after that you want to bring your total up to 1/8 of your goal, then 1/4, then 1/2, and then actually get to your goal.

Realistically though a plan based purely on a formula isn't going to be the best plan. The idea of doing a little bit at a time though is important. Probably I'd go with something like getting the first 5%-10% done using something like this, and then try to plan out the remainder in more cost-effective ways.


Another approach is to set aside the equivlent amount of money for some of the steps, say buy the 3% on the first step and put away the cash for steps 2-4 to make a bulk purchase at step 5, this way you have some goods on hand and some cash to fill in quickly if needed if the SHTF sooner rather
than later but allows you to get more cheaper in bulk if things turn out to take awhile to get here.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby J-Bean Sammitch » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:02 pm

WhoShotJR wrote:Given the whole idea that being 3% prepared is better than nothing, and that a disaster might make you leave your home, maybe the first step should be to build a portable, well rounded system. A BOB. Nothing fancy, just a ready to go system that can cover your needs either at home or on the go. Obviously budgets will vary, but with what most people have laying around and $500 anyone can build a kit with...


^THIS^ The majority of households already have all the comforts of home that their family will need for a few days. The hard part is duplicating and/or reducing those comforts to something that will fit into a backpack/duffel/paper bag so that they can be available in an emergency situation. Like many seasoned preppers would say, "Even basic preps are better than nothing at all."
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby Vel454 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:42 pm

I think is a great idea, enough so, I want to bring it back to life a bit and see if WhoShotJR has developed it further or if anyone else has anything new to add.

A combination of this idea, and JT_of_JFF's layering approach thread (http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=34172) makes up the building blocks of how I am working towards prepping my family.

It's great and important to have high-quality tools and gear when your survival is literally on the line. But dumping thousands of dollars into all the gear you want to get at one time is unrealistic. And while your saving up the funds to get that big, badass item (AR-15, Arc'Teryx Alpha SV Rain Coat & Bibs, whatever), what happens if the world goes to s***? You don't have that item, and likely, you dont have a lot of the other items you need either. A combination of these two tactics of acquisition is just amazing and probably the most fool-proof way to CYA untill your fully prepped. Thanks for the great posts.
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Re: Ladder Prepping, aka Eating an Elephant

Postby Prepared American » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:33 pm

Good thread, I can't believe I missed this one way back when. I look forward to what this thread may lead to. Good Job on this one.
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