One of my main fighting tactics, weapons based.

[Regular Guy]

One of my main fighting tactics especially when weapons are involved is to attack the hands.
It's what I base knife fighting and stick/cane techniques on. Regular unarmed I try to administer muey thai leg kicks and american style boxing.
I've proven in hours and hours of sparring that it's much easier once you disarm your opponent. And if fricken hurts bad to have your hand cut or smashed. Usually causes the opponent to drop their hand leaving juicy portions open.
Never fought with real knives but escrema sticks hurt real bad even at sparring speed.

[Meat N' Taters]

To protect against knives and escrima sticks, I CC a revolver.

[phil_in_cs]

Since you posted this in Zombie Combat Tactics, I'd like to point out that hand to hand versus Zombies isn't a good idea. You rip his arm off at the shoulder, and he bites you - game over.

[FrANkNstEin]

american style boxing.

when i hear of american style boxing, i imagine a guy that empties his full mag into a bad guy COM and punches him right into the teeth with the gunbarrel while fumbling out the second mag. OUCH!

[the_alias]

One of my main fighting tactics especially when weapons are involved is to attack the hands.
It's what I base knife fighting and stick/cane techniques on Wait as in you have a knife or cane and they do and attack their hands? Last I checked Zombies didn't run around armed!. Regular unarmed I try to administer muey thai leg kicks and american style boxing. What is American style boxing? Bite their ear off?
I've proven in hours and hours of sparring that it's much easier once you disarm your opponent.Ah sparring, controlled environment, all the usual caveats apply. Also how long are your knife spar drills, no longer than 30 seconds I hope! And if fricken hurts bad to have your hand cut or smashed.Can attest to fact it hurts, also can attest to people still holding a knife Usually causes the opponent to drop their hand leaving juicy portions open.
Never fought with real knives but escrema sticks hurt real bad even at sparring speed.

[Murph]

[phil_in_cs]

What is American style boxing? Bite their ear off?

[Kelvar]

Some of my friends who have been getting some training locally insist that instead of drawing and firing a pistol, it is a better idea to try to wrestle the knife away.

I'm not convinced.

[Regular Guy]

Mmmm, I was talking about regular humans. Where's the right section for that?
American style boxing is just that, the way boxing has evolved in the modern American style that you see in professional boxing.
Yeah, trying to out draw a knife will get you stabbed, a lot. We tried it and the gun guy dies. Hand to hand vs knife but you can win. Deflect or control the knife, get them off balance and then draw, still scary.

[phil_in_cs]

Some of my friends who have been getting some training locally insist that instead of drawing and firing a pistol, it is a better idea to try to wrestle the knife away.

I'm not convinced.

My training shows that is very distance related, assuming the knife is already deployed. If you're getting ambushed with a knife, nothing else matters but controlling the knife. You might draw a pistol and kill him with it, but you will get lethal cuts in the 1 to 1.5 seconds it takes you to draw.

Not to mention Mr. Knife Dude will be slashing w/ his right hand, and trying to prevent your draw with his left.

[Murph]

Mmmm, I was talking about regular humans. Where's the right section for that?

I think the L&B Graveyard.

[phil_in_cs]

Mmmm, I was talking about regular humans. Where's the right section for that?

Other weapons. Want it moved?

[Regular Guy]

Yeah, lets move this thread. Thanks

[Meat N' Taters]

Mmmm, I was talking about regular humans. Where's the right section for that?

I think the L&B Graveyard.

Touche, murph.

[Kelvar]

Some of my friends who have been getting some training locally insist that instead of drawing and firing a pistol, it is a better idea to try to wrestle the knife away.

I'm not convinced.

My training shows that is very distance related, assuming the knife is already deployed. If you're getting ambushed with a knife, nothing else matters but controlling the knife. You might draw a pistol and kill him with it, but you will get lethal cuts in the 1 to 1.5 seconds it takes you to draw.

Not to mention Mr. Knife Dude will be slashing w/ his right hand, and trying to prevent your draw with his left.

Yeah, they were talking about a scenario in which the bad guy is displaying a knife and threatening you. I see the point, I just don't like the odds of getting into a wrestling match over a knife when I've got a perfectly serviceable pistol on my hip. Maybe this merits more thought on my part.

[Regular Guy]

My sparring sessions go until there is a winner and a loser. Time limits are unrealistic.
Trolls be trollin', touche.....

[phil_in_cs]

Yeah, they were talking about a scenario in which the bad guy is displaying a knife and threatening you. I see the point, I just don't like the odds of getting into a wrestling match over a knife when I've got a perfectly serviceable pistol on my hip. Maybe this merits more thought on my part.

It is easy enough to prove - get an blue gun and a training knife. Go after it and see what happens.

[Murph]

Mmmm, I was talking about regular humans. Where's the right section for that?

I think the L&B Graveyard.

Touche, murph.

Ask a stupid question, get a smart-ass answer.

[phil_in_cs]

Yeah, lets move this thread. Thanks

moved from zombie combat tactics to other weapons, per OP request.

[Regular Guy]

^^Thats exactly what we did. Trying to draw is a liability. Some kind of block/strike/kick is necessary to disorient/unbalance/disarm before you draw. Distance is your bestest friend.
Hhhmmm, the trolls can't stop trolling. Some form of tourettes?

[Meat N' Taters]

Front push kick, flying armbar transition to omoplata.

[Kelvar]

Yeah, they were talking about a scenario in which the bad guy is displaying a knife and threatening you. I see the point, I just don't like the odds of getting into a wrestling match over a knife when I've got a perfectly serviceable pistol on my hip. Maybe this merits more thought on my part.

It is easy enough to prove - get an blue gun and a training knife. Go after it and see what happens.

Well, they demonstrated that for me, but I think this is really hard to simulate. There are so many factors to consider. I mean: on the one hand assume you can't clear leather and the bad guy slices a major artery. At the other extreme, what if you draw your weapon and empty two rounds into his face before he reaches you? (Extreme example, I'd go for center of mass, but I'm trying to make a point).

It just goes against every instinct I would have to not bother going for my pistol and to instead struggle for the knife. I'm keeping an open mind here, though.

[Regular Guy]

If you can do a speed rock and clear leather with one arm up blocking your face/neck/upper chest but it leaves your squishy mid section open and it's hard to speed rock and move. I'll farm this out some in next weeks training session and report back as to my findings.

[the_alias]

Yeah, they were talking about a scenario in which the bad guy is displaying a knife and threatening you. I see the point, I just don't like the odds of getting into a wrestling match over a knife when I've got a perfectly serviceable pistol on my hip. Maybe this merits more thought on my part.

It is easy enough to prove - get an blue gun and a training knife. Go after it and see what happens.

Well, they demonstrated that for me, but I think this is really hard to simulate. There are so many factors to consider. I mean: on the one hand assume you can't clear leather and the bad guy slices a major artery. At the other extreme, what if you draw your weapon and empty two rounds into his face before he reaches you? (Extreme example, I'd go for center of mass, but I'm trying to make a point).

It just goes against every instinct I would have to not bother going for my pistol and to instead struggle for the knife. I'm keeping an open mind here, though.

Don't bring a gun to a knifefight.
Say badguy is just sewing machine attacking, repeated thrusts. On top of you stabbing/slashing. If you go for your gun whilst this happsn well..expect some stabs to internal organs. Slashes. etc. You're gonna be pretty dead.
On every pass a knife does damage. Knives don't jam and they don't run out of ammunition.