Zombie Squad on "Armstrong & Getty" 650am Sacramento

[ZapThyCat]

Link:
http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/691/ang_033110_H1_1270047780_32663.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=SACRAMENTO-CA&NG_FORMAT=talk&SITE_ID=691&STATION_ID=KSTE-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Armstrong_and_Getty&PCAST_CAT=Talk&PCAST_TITLE=The_Armstrong_and_Getty_Show

We're mentioned around 32:00. We're also called a "militia" but it's presented in a favorable light. Thought it was somewhat comical.

[elkhills]

My wife called me to tell me about that. Neat! I'm in a Militia!

[nateted4]

I wish people'd read the stickies before they run their mouths:


What we are not:

We are not an anti-government militia militants or group of vigilantes.




Edit: apostrophe for the contraction

[AZMedic]

No no we are definitely not a militia and I do not want to be.

[ZapThyCat]

I wish people'd read the stickies before they run their mouths:
What we are not:
We are not an anti-government militia militants or group of vigilantes.

Did you hear what I wrote in to them?

We aren't anti-government. I wrote that we're a charity organization.

And technically, every able-bodied male in the USA is a member of the militia. Having a group of people that go to the range... granted it's a stretch to call them the militia, but I was just trying to get our name out there in a positive context, and I think I was successful in doing that.

[kyle]

I wish people'd read the stickies before they run their mouths:
What we are not:
We are not an anti-government militia militants or group of vigilantes.

Did you hear what I wrote in to them?

We aren't anti-government. I wrote that we're a charity organization.

And technically, every able-bodied male in the USA is a member of the militia. Having a group of people that go to the range... granted it's a stretch to call them the militia, but I was just trying to get our name out there in a positive context, and I think I was successful in doing that.

I heard what you wrote to them. Thanks for the plug. It's appreciated!

However, in the future, please DO NOT refer to ZS as a militia. Yes, the Militia Act of 1792 states that the "militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age" but Zombie Squad (which you were specifically referring to being a member of) its not a militia organization. Zombie Squad, as an organization, is primarily a preparedness community that focuses heavily on charity work, disaster education and LOLs.

We are not offering any sort of official organized military training to build an armed civilian service. There are other organizations that do that - like the National Guard.

Thanks for sharing the link with us!

[nateted4]

Since Kyle already addressed it, I don't want to seem to pile on. However, I was the one who started yelling, so I do want to explain my abuse of huge font.

The thing is that this has come up before. This site doesn't constitute a militia, which is how the board of directors wants it (as I understand their stance on the issue). I tend to agree with them on this point. It is my feeling that referring to it as a militia will weird out visitors who need to prepare for emergencies and disasters, but don't want to be lumped in with militia types. Not that there couldn't theoretically be good militia types (I guess), it's just that there are enough crazies that the term and idea is tainted. If you feel that fixing the reputation of militias is a worthy goal that's fine (to each their own), but ZS's stance is clear on this issue.

Before I joined I lurked for a good long time. The official site positions on this and other issues and the moderators vigilance in enforcing key rules swayed me to participate more fully in this particular internet community. When I hear that we're being lumped in with militias I recoil, just a little.

[hotlead]

I was listening to the A&G show when this aired, when I got home I posted in the ZS015(California) chapter forum asking who it might've been that called in and said this was a militia website, as I wanted clarification as to if I actually joined a militia group here. However I wasn't able to check up on it that evening or yesterday, because of the forum disappearing............april fools day joke?

I was linked to this discussion by Elkhills(thanks bro), and am glad to know this isn't the position of the ZS.

[trixter]

My wife called me to tell me about that. Neat! I'm in a Militia!

Are you a male age 17-49 or if you have been in the regular military age 17-65?
Are you a female in the national guard?
Are you a US citizen or declared you want to be one?

You have no choice, you are in a militia no matter what you do.

10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

The "women in the national guard" was added during Clintons administration. The classes of the militia were added during Baby Bush's administration. Note how "organized militia" is the national guard, but women in the national guard was listed separately. Almost as if it was a hatchet job to make this distinction to match 2nd amendment wording (maybe I am reading too much into this).

Now look at how the national guard is overseas fighting as part of an invading army. Calling a duck a pig does not make it one.

Regardless most people are militia members like it or not You also have ammo to use anytime someone suggests that "militia" is an evil thing and all militia members should be arrested just for being in a militia. Many people today seem to use the word without knowing what it actually means.

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

I actually support raising the militia activity and lowering the standing army levels, once we are no longer at war. The Swiss model served them well for a long time, have the people armed and trained to provide civil defence. This lowers the tax burden people would have to pay as well.

[elkhills]

My wife called me to tell me about that. Neat! I'm in a Militia!

Are you a male age 17-49 or if you have been in the regular military age 17-65?
Are you a female in the national guard?
Are you a US citizen or declared you want to be one?

You have no choice, you are in a militia no matter what you do.

10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

The "women in the national guard" was added during Clintons administration. The classes of the militia were added during Baby Bush's administration. Note how "organized militia" is the national guard, but women in the national guard was listed separately. Almost as if it was a hatchet job to make this distinction to match 2nd amendment wording (maybe I am reading too much into this).

Now look at how the national guard is overseas fighting as part of an invading army. Calling a duck a pig does not make it one.

Regardless most people are militia members like it or not You also have ammo to use anytime someone suggests that "militia" is an evil thing and all militia members should be arrested just for being in a militia. Many people today seem to use the word without knowing what it actually means.

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

I actually support raising the militia activity and lowering the standing army levels, once we are no longer at war. The Swiss model served them well for a long time, have the people armed and trained to provide civil defence. This lowers the tax burden people would have to pay as well.

Damn, I like you Trixter! Now I HAVE to meetcha. May 14th, Starbucks, its circled on the calander.

My apologies for the cross-threading, resume ZS Neutrality discussion.

[nateted4]

Elkhills and Trixter, I generally don't have a problem with ya'll, so don't take this the wrong way.

Sure, the duly elected government may be able to call upon me for defense of the nation, therefore in some (extrememly) poorly defined legal way I'm in a militia. But I'm sure as hell not in your militia (that is, in a militia with you). Militia conjures images in my head of people who:
-are willing to violently push fringe agenda
or
-middle age guys who miss the service way too much.

It sure as hell isn't Red Dawn out there, so I don't imagine I'll be joining a militia with you. In any case it couldn't be ZS, as ZS IS NOT A MILITIA.

[ZapThyCat]

I think it's pretty plain that ZS does not condone ZS being considered "a militia". I didn't mean for it to be considered as such. I know that ZS is not a militia, although it may have militia members in it (whether "real" militia or the loose definition as provided by trixter"). For that matter, there are anti-gun members, and members from other countries. You wouldn't think that there would be anti-gun militia members or "norwegian" militia members, in a US-based militia.

I just wanted to make a plug for the group. Please, please if we can drop this now, and all come to an agreement, no more need to split hairs on this matter