New Eberlestock F4 Review

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New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby jakecwu » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:18 pm

Well, apparently Santa Claus thought I had been a very good boy this year, because he brought me the only thing I ever, ever wanted, a brand new Eberlestock F4 Terminator pack in dry earth! Oh boy! While this is not a BOB spefically, it could very well serve as one admirably if you're able to spare the $400 on a dedicated BOB. For me, it needed to meet the needs of a few scenarios:

-General recreational backpacking of 5-7 days
-Recreational national and international travel for up to 30 days, primarily by rail and air.
-Deployments as part of a federal asset in time of emergency. To fit this mission, I needed a pack out of which I could be completely self sufficient for 24-48 hours, nearly self sufficient (water, food, and transport only provided) for 48-96 hours, and highly mobile but vehicle supported for 4-14 days.

To meet the needs of the last scenario, I needed a pack that was modular and would meet the needs of the assignment, but for the first two, I wanted something that didn't look too military-esque, especially internationally. This steered me in the direction both of this pack and the color. Not to mention that Eberlestock is one of the only companies that offers photos of their product in multiple light conditions and against multiple backdrops, giving me a good idea what to expect. So...onto the pack:


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In addition to the primary compartment that separates into two, with separate access points, there are 8 additional, self contained pockets, and two open top pouches. These are numbered as such in the photo with the following designations/descriptions:
-1: Detachable top/flap. This has three pockets within (described/photo'ed below) and a hidden waist/shoulder strap so that it can be used as a small stand-alone pack or carry-on.
-2: Medium sized front pouch, padded across the bottom, secured with a zipper.
-3: Small sized front pouch, not padded, secured with a zipper.
-4: Full lenght side pouches, not padded, secured with speed clips.
-5: Open top pouches with drawstrings, not padded.
-6: (Not pictured) Weapons sleeve behind the main compartment.

Removable Top Flap

Once removed from the pack, the top flap can be used as a stand alone unit, with an integrated, but well hidden and stowed waist shoulder strap:

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This removable small pack contains three pockets...

A hydration compartment with drink tube passway and water resistant lining:
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A fleece lined optics compartment with a hook for keys, etc:
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And a main compartment that is well sized for books, maps, documents and the like:
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The top of this pack contains MOLLE webbing and the bottom is stitched with Eberlestock's Padlock webbing that provides a surprisingly secure attachment to the top of the main pack.

I think the idea of a securely attached but removable small pack is, overall, a good idea. I can see, however, where the two straps holding could prove a weak point and both the hydration and lens pockets were, in my opinion, a bit conservative in volume.

Main Compartment

If the top flap is removed, the pack can still be secured as any normal pack would.
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Open the top flap, and one finds a traditional, draw string closed top load opening for the pack:
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Unclip the compression straps and look a little further, however, and one will find one of my favorite features of this pack. A cargo bay style opening on the front that accesses the main compartment:
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The flap for this is behind and attached to the middle, medium sized pouch (2) in the photo.

Within this main compartment are a few great organizational tools.

Main radio pouches connected to the back wall, with corresponding compression strap, as well as another clip for small items/keys:
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Each side wall on the interior of the pack has a zippered mesh compartment to organize small objects:
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The inside of the cargo bay compartment flap has plenty of MOLLE:
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And there is a zippered separation allowing the main compartment to merge with the lower:
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Lower Compartment

The small lower compartment can be accessed either through the main compartment via the aforementioned zippered pass-through flap, or via its own exterior access flap. This flap is behind and covered by the small lower pouch (3) and closes with a zipper.

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Inside this compartment are four small/medium open top pouches that close with elastic. The inside of the flap is covered with MOLLE webbing, like the interior of the flap on the main compartment:
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The only down side of this compartment is that to fit a full size, cold weather bag and bivy in this compartment, one would definitely need a compression sack. I'm not sure of many medium sized packs that wouldn't require this, though.

Exterior Pouches

The medium sized exterior pouch (2) is well sized, padded across the bottom, secures with a zipper, and has plenty of MOLLE on the exterior.
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The small sized lower pouch (3) is well sized, unpadded, and secures with a zipper, and has plenty of MOLLE on the exterior.
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On each side of the pack is a full length, enclosed pouch, secured with a speed clip. Each of these will accomodate a small tent, shelter cloth, or well packed sleeping pad and are covered with lots of MOLLE webbing.
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In one of my favorite features of the pack, each of these pouches has a zipper that runs the full length of one side of the pouch, exposing the main pack wall on the inside, but maintaing the enclosed integrity of the pouch. Within this exposed area is a set of MOLLE webbing to accept a rifle scabard or whatever accessory you chose. This "compartment" is also open to the top to allow for long objects, and the zipper has a small plastic clip at the top of it's run to keep it from coming open with time and movement. These sections of the pack will accomodate a collapsed M4 variant without modification and, probably a small .22lr or similarly sized rifle.
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At the bottom of each side of the pack is a small, open top pouch with a draw string closure.
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Suspension System/Back Pad

I believe this will prove to be one of the most comfortable packs I've had the pleasure to haul. There is tons of well ventilated padding across the entire back, with a very nice lumbar pad. The suspension system is fairly simple to adjust for height and offers adjustment at the strap connection points as well to adjust the ride on the move. The hip belt is nice and wide, rides well, and has lots of padding, as well as MOLLE webbing across for small additions, mag pouches, etc.
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Another great feature of this pack is the fact that the waist belt velcros in behind the lumbar pad. This keeps it from shifting about, but makes it fairly easy to remove for travel. Anybody who's seen the look of a ticket agent on a commercial flight when checking a "strappy" backpack will appreciate this feature.

Rain Cover

When the pack is turned "on it's head", one finds two zippers.
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The one on the foreground is for the rifle sleeve, and the one behind, when opened, exposes the attached rainfly:
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This is attached into the pack with a removable clip and fits well around the entire pack, securing with small hooks:
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Rifle Sleeve

As with all Eberlestock packs, this one is designed to haul a weapon along with your gear. To accomplish this, there is an integrated sleeve that rides between the pack and the suspension system, keeping the weapon weight close to your body. This section has a zipper to close it at either end and lots of MOLLE within to secure your scabbard.
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This section of the pack will not accomodate a long gun without modification or the addition of one of Eberlestock's rifle bags, however I believe it would fit most bull-pups or true SMG's as is, and they would be nicely concealed therein.

General construction/details

This pack really excels in this area. It's thoughtfully designed with the end-user in mind and appears to be very ruggedly built. All the stitching is solid, the buckles are of high grade, heavy plastic, the nylon is 1000 denier throughout, and the webbing is wide and thick. MOLLE webbing abounds, there are several well placed compression straps, and even the zipper pulls are reinforced:
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Overall Impressions

For what I need, I could not ask for a better pack. It's well designed, roomy, comfortable, comparatively light weight, heavily built, and American made by a small company that's somewhat local to me and has a good reputation. There are a few drawbacks, however. It's on the spendy side, it's a bit heavy compared to civillian packs, and the hydration pouch and lens pouches are a bit small. All in all, though, I give it a 9.8/10 and I'm most pleased that it's mine!

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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:31 pm

Nice review. :D
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby GMZ » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:41 pm

Nice review! Can you confirm that it is made in the US? Do you think you could cram a flat topped AR in the sleeve portion? I do love their packs, full of nice features.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Aikidoka » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:08 pm

Great review.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby 6UNF1GHTER » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:14 pm

I third that... (er.. fourth that) nice review!

That looks like one killer pack with a load of features, if it were not for the price tag I would definitely consider this for all of the criteria you listed would be similar to mine. One helluva ruck!

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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby jakecwu » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:11 am

GMZ wrote:Nice review!

Thanks!

GMZ wrote:Can you confirm that it is made in the US?


I thought that I could, but after you asked, I did some research, and the jury is out at this point. There's no point of origin on the pack's tags and it came with minimal packaging (which I've recycled anyway). Looking around the web, I've found some claims that they've started making them in Vietnam, so I may be inaccurate. I've got an email out to Eberlestock to find out.

GMZ wrote: Do you think you could cram a flat topped AR in the sleeve portion? I do love their packs, full of nice features.


No, unfortunately a civilian length AR is too long to fit in the rifle sleeve without the addition of a rifle scabbard, which Eberlestock sells and which mounts inside that sleeve with MOLLE webbing. If you were able to get a 10.5" barrel, it may fit, though I haven't tried. A standard length AR will fit behind the side pockets where they separate from the pack.

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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby headshotdeadshot » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:35 pm

Awesome. This really makes me want to get a Halftrack even more than I already did. :lol:
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Dubbya » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:26 am

Very nice review and very nice pack! How many cubes is it?
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Jeriah » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:36 am

I don't know about this pack or brand specifically, but in my experience, if something is made in the US, especially anything "tactical," they make a pretty big deal about it. There's usually a "Made in the USA" on the tag on the pack, on the website, etc., plus usually some pretty lofty-sounding mission statement about how having their shit in the US not only makes it better shit but makes them a better company, better Americans, etc. (I know this because, despite the hype, I do buy American whenever I can.) So, in my experience, if something isn't very visibly labeled as being made in the US, it isn't.

Also note that they say their packs are made of "1000D nylon." If it was genuine Cordura, they'd say so. (Might be just as good, might not, I don't know.)

I don't know the actual country of origin but I've heard Vietnam as well. Let us know how it holds up over time; some imported goods are fine, others not so much.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Fire Ball » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:49 pm

My dragonfly has a tag down inside the main pocket that says "Made in Vietnam" on it. I don't know if that applies to all their packs but the construction on mine looks identical and feels very overbuilt. I think my back will tear before the pack ever would.

Nice review, how well do the compression straps work? Does the pack feel like the load is pulling and expanding the scabbard section when you move or does it feel tighter like a standard hiking pack? I want to add a terminator or a halftrack for more of a grey man bob or for when I'm out of bear country and don't need a shotgun at hand. The terminator is looking like a good choice.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby Hooligan » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:48 pm

Fire Ball wrote:My dragonfly has a tag down inside the main pocket that says "Made in Vietnam" on it. I don't know if that applies to all their packs but the construction on mine looks identical and feels very overbuilt. I think my back will tear before the pack ever would.

Nice review, how well do the compression straps work? Does the pack feel like the load is pulling and expanding the scabbard section when you move or does it feel tighter like a standard hiking pack? I want to add a terminator or a halftrack for more of a grey man bob or for when I'm out of bear country and don't need a shotgun at hand. The terminator is looking like a good choice.

It's kind of a shame that for the prices they charge they can't make them in the USA. I am not saying it is any less durable or anything like that. I really like their designs actually and if they made them in the USA i would own one.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby TheFishinMagician » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:35 pm

Good review.

Just FYI...Eberlestock bags are made in Vietnam.

I was trying to decide between an Eberlestock bag and a Kifaru, some time back. I called and spoke directly with Glen Eberle (founder/owner of Eberlestock), and he confirmed the fact that they're made overseas.

That could be a "make-or-break" decision for some folks. Just passing along the info.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby spoonjay_x33 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:04 am

I am interested in buying one of these packs but I would like to know the size dimensions of each of the compartments and attached pouches so I will know if all of my gear will fit. If anyone can post this it would be much appreciated.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby mordekin » Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:55 am

Nice pack - Thanks for sharing!!!
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review- 1 year follow up!

Postby jakecwu » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:40 pm

So I've had it for a year now, and I still love it. I've done quite a bit of time on it over the past 12 months with a handful of trips to a handful of out of the way, third world places where I've literally lived out of it for 10 days. I've also packed a winter weekend's worth of stuff for a family of three into it without any trouble at all. The zippers still pull like the day they were new, no visible wear or tears to the fabric, and no fractured plastic. Shoot, the suspension system feels like it's just starting to break in. While my ethics still make me wish I had a decent American pack, I have no concerns about the construction at all. 100% solid.

All in all a good purchase, 8.5 out of 10. The only things that keep it from being a 10/10 are the foreign construction (personal preference) and the weight. It will never be an ultralight pack.

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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby BoovarBjarki » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:33 pm

Could you take a picture of it loaded with your gear?
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby handoftyr » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:15 am

quick question on this pack, can you use the pocket you have numbered as 5 as the "butt bucket" for a compound bow? or would I have to use the butt bucket from eberlestock as well? hoping to maybe save a few bucks by asking before I buy :)
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby cetane » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:18 am

Sorry to rain on your parade. I have a EberleStock G4 Operator pack and it so is not worth the money. Its there large pack and the real problem is you cant use all the pockets when they are full. If the main is stuffed full of sleeping bag than you cant use the long zipper section behind the long side pockets. Its a good pack just not great for the $300 I paid new( bought it from a guy who just got issued a new pack so didnt need a double). I can tell you any dimension you want. You can fit a long Rifle in the integral scabbard up to 60". Here are some picks.
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Re: New Eberlestock F4 Review

Postby JPBeck » Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:39 pm

I have a Gunslinger pack I paid 160 new and delivered-- it only has a couple pockets and is smaller then the F4 but its a good pack. I don't think I'd want a full load-out that the F4 could carry plus my carbine and 6 thirty round mags-- or worse my 19lbs long gun and it's ammo. But I can manage my Gunslinger easily.
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