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Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Re: My Long But Worth Reading BOB Post/List!

Postby Blackdog » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:32 am

Mags wrote:Tried a search but wanted to add this into my BOB thread. The TAD Gear "Life Capsule" that I have is an older generation in black. It's made of machined aluminium and both compartments are sealed waterproof with o-ring gaskets. There have been several updated versions but they are all about the same. This is an item that is on my person any time I go into the woods. Whether on a day hike or longer outing. I wear it either around my neck or my prefered method is to loop the 550 cord through my belt loops and tuck the capsule into my right front pants pocket.

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One end has a shallow compartment that fits the FB1605 Nato Survival Compass, (Francis Barker SAS Survival Compass.) There was just a smidge of wiggle so I stuck a piece of 90mph tape on the side of the compass and now it fits snug as a bug. No rattling at all. I routinely check the compass's accuracy against my other compasses. I have total faith in the button compass carried this way for basic direction.

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The other end access's the entire hollow tube. Inside that compartment I keep an OD "Spark Lite" fire starter and 4 "Tinder Quick" tabs. In good conditions I can start multiple fires from one Tinder Quick tab.

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This setup gives me direction and fire in a small, secure, easy to carry package. Nifty little doo-dad although a bit pricey.


For the less pricey nifty doo-dad. Not TAD Gear, but good to go all the same.

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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 14SEP09)

Postby Squirrley » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:55 am

Mags wrote:Thanks man! Seems to be missing comments good or bad from a lot of the ZS "leaders" and faithful. Maybe it's just too much to read?!


Maybe they're all learning from your setup too! Or too busy moping up buckets of drool.... some awesome gear there.
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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 01OCT09)

Postby Stormrider » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:23 pm

So just curious, what do you think of the P7? They look like interesting high tech guns but I rarely see anyone owning one.
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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 01OCT09)

Postby Mags » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:47 pm

Sarky, good tip on the dome.......

Blackdog, those KM's look nice. I've seen them before but don't have one.

Stormrider, my P7 is one of my most carried weapons. I'm left handed and it is the most absolute ambi auto handgun I have ever fired. Mine is a P7M13 bought in '91. I have 5 original clips and 13 I bought while in Germany for not even half the price they wanted stateside!!! Love the consistent trigger pull from the first to the last round. Fastest handgun I own for a lefty to go from completely safe to cocked and fire. Small slide and upper, Slim profile make it well suited to CCW.The most important thing about this weapon is that after umpteen thousand rounds I would and will bet my life on the fact that each time I pull the trigger there is a bang!!!! I've fired everything through mine except homegrown handloads. Never even had a stovepipe! This weapon will go bang each and every time the trigger is pulled.


I'm off for a couple extra days so I'm trying to get out this weekend. Trying a 10 mile or so (read, bout 7,) day hike with a 25-30lbs pack. I don't need that much stuff but I'm trying to build back up since my back is still feeling better. Should have a "WW type" post with some info and pics posted up sometime after.



Thank you for looking, reading, and commenting!! All that I post is IMHO and YMMV.....
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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 01OCT09)

Postby Stormrider » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:14 pm

Stormrider, my P7 is one of my most carried weapons. I'm left handed and it is the most absolute ambi auto handgun I have ever fired. Mine is a P7M13 bought in '91. I have 5 original clips and 13 I bought while in Germany for not even half the price they wanted stateside!!! Love the consistent trigger pull from the first to the last round. Fastest handgun I own for a lefty to go from completely safe to cocked and fire. Small slide and upper, Slim profile make it well suited to CCW.The most important thing about this weapon is that after umpteen thousand rounds I would and will bet my life on the fact that each time I pull the trigger there is a bang!!!! I've fired everything through mine except homegrown handloads. Never even had a stovepipe! This weapon will go bang each and every time the trigger is pulled.


That's cool, I always really liked the P7 but they are very expensive and pretty hard to find. I had the pleasure of picking one up in a shop once, VERY comfortable and ergonomic, even though I thought the gun was heavy for it's size; I was expecting a lighter gun for some reason and it had the heft of a fullsize 1911, to me. Not really a surprise considering it's a metal frame and the many extra parts it must have that most other pistols wouldn't. The M13 model a the US variant that takes 13 round mags, right?
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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 01OCT09)

Postby Mags » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:42 am

P7M8, (8rd mag,) P7M13, (13rd mag.) 13rd mag goes from staggered to single stack as it reaches the top o' the mag.
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Re: My BOB Post/List! Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 01OCT09)

Postby Mags » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:46 pm

My attempt at a WW type post........ :D

Overcast, 10 minute sprinke, windy, 48F.
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Clothing for the day was Wigwam Coolmax hikers, Merrell boots, Underarmor 9” boxerjock, Columbia canvas cargo shorts, silk wieght poly-pro top, Patigonia R1 Flash pullover fleece, and my Crye MC cap. Other than my regular clothing I had packed a few items for when I stopped, and in case the weather turned colder.

Topping me off is my black OR PS50 beanie. The beanie is a very thin, wicking poly-pro hat I can pull down low or roll up helping to thermo regulate my ass. Second item was gloves. I took my OR Guillotine fingerless gloves. They’re made of Windstopper Fleece, and have a great protective, grippy palm covering. These protect my hands and provide plenty enough warmth for the temps I was facing. A side from that since they are fingerless I can leave them on while getting things done.

As my insulating mid-outer layer I chose my Patagonia R2 Regulator Fleece. This is a simple lightweight Polartec Thermal Pro Fleece jacket. It has thinner stretch panels on the sides of the torso. It is not windproof or resistant. This jacket is not as thick or warm as the Mil Issue 300 weight fleece jacket. It is lighter being better suited to a higher level of physical activity. They also pack up smaller than the Military issued fleece. Has two hand warmer pockets and one zippered chest pocket, and elastic cuffs. No interior pockets are not a big deal since I won’t be wearing this fleece when it’s very cold. My cold weather jackets all have internal pockets good for water and fuel bottles. A good lightweight fleece that is not too hot for vigorous outdoor activity. This jacket works well for me while I’m working and on the move since it’s thinner and breathes very well.

With a 50% chance of rain I took my Patagonia Rain Shadow Jacket as my outer shell. This is a very lightweight rain jacket. It’s still a storm level garment with a highly breathable inner barrier and a DWR finish. The Rain Shadow is very packable with minimalist details. It has a huge helmet compatible hood and pit zips to help with thermal control. I hate to be clammy in my rain gear. Hand warmer pockets, extended rear hem line, water resistant zippers, and Velcro cuffs. All in all it’s a great lightweight packable storm proof rain jacket. Sometimes I roll it up to pack it. Other times a put it in a stuff sack. Jacket worked really well protecting me on some exposed rocks during my lunch stop.
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Some equipment taken along was 550 cord, Sil Tarp 2, and a Heatsheet Bivy as shelter. Blades taken were CQC7 folder, Leatherman Wave, and a Gerber LMF II. First Aid was covered by AMK’s Ultralight .9 kit. I carried my Petzl Tactikka XP with one set of extra batteries for light. A small chunk of a VS17 panel, (I carry a chunk in all of my packs.) For starting a small fire (for the sake of practice) I had various methods; Nato kit, Nato Matches, Strike Force, Fresnel lens, flint/steel, and Spark Lite kit. I also carried a small pair of bino’s and a small RIR notebook with cover. (Gear hanging off my pack is for the picture only. I ain’t no hobo!)
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Once the Esbit fuel was burning I topped off my Ti 700 mug with filtered water and got it boiling. I keep a rolled up aluminum foil wind screen with my Esbit Stove. I always have a lid on my cooking container as well. Both of these items help in the efficiency of the stove. The boiling water was poured into the MH Pro Pak meal, chicken and rice, along with two packets of Jalapeno Cheese and a Sedona Trading Co. chile capsule. The spiced cider was awesome and drinking it from a Guyot Designs Squishy Bowl is always cool. On my Ti spork lanyard I also had a can opener, a flint and a striker. A small scrubby sponge and MSR ultralight small personal towel helped with clean up.
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At the last minute I decided to take my trekking poles due to the fact that the trail I chose is pretty rocky. I use Leki Super Makalu’s. They are light, strong and haven’t let me down yet. I slipped on the rubber walking tips to protect the carbide tips which work very well in the winter time. Only other gadget I have in regards to the poles is a small 20mm, grade AA button compass that attaches to the pole it’s self.
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I took two Platy Bags, a 1L and a 2L. The 1L bag I not only marked in red Sharpie as my source water bag (non-potable) but found a use for the dumbass Bottle Bezel cap. (With the Bezel cap on it I will know by feel in the dark which is my potable water from my non-potable water.) The Frontier Pro worked well. Having the extra pressure provided by squeezing then rolling up the Platy Bag was a big win. I filled the 1L Platy from a stream, puddle on top of a boulder and from a very slow moving shallow ground puddle/stream.

At the beginning of the hike I topped off my Nalgene with stream water and used my MIOX to purify it. I drank the purified water after the hike. The manual states 4hrs for Cryptosporidium. One thing to remember is that the Miox Pen does not produce simple chlorine as some people seem to believe, but rather a potent mixed oxidant purifier, chlorine dioxide, such as found in Micropur tabs or Aquamira. Chlorine dioxide has no side affects on the body, unlike iodine. Also, chlorine dioxide WILL kill parasites that neither iodine nor chlorine will touch, such as cryptosporidia. I didn’t notice any aftertaste in the water.

The homemade “bottle leash” worked great holding my MSR UL Pack Towel in place as a pre-filter when filling from the stream. Also worked great hanging the 1L Platy with Frontier Filter off my shoulder strap.I had decided not to take my PUR Hiker Pro.
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Great day, great hike! My back worked, my gear worked! Man am I blessed.....Thanks for sharing!
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Stormrider » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:59 pm

Cool write up, looks like you had fun. What kind of pack is that?
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Woods Walker » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:27 pm

Nice photos of Fall color. Good gear review too. I like the Frontier Pro with Platy combo. Yea squeezing the bag to get the water running though the filter is nice. I also went on a short 3 mile day hike and decided now is the time to remove the summer gear from the day pack in favor of Fall items. No need for the Mantis bug net and the Heat sheet bivy will be replaced with my Thermolite. I don’t have the Miox. Spiced Cider mix rocks. Too bad it is often MIA after Fall.

Ever consider replacing the Esbit stove with an alcohol stove?



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Cheap to run and they boil better in my view.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Coverbuster » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:56 pm

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The wind screen / pot stand , home made or store bought ????
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Woods Walker » Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:47 pm

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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Mags » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:42 pm

WW, I normally like and agree with your view so..........

I'm down for a alcohol stove. The Esbit has been with me for a loooong time. It made many many days and nights in the field and on deployments better. I have been looking at the various alcohol stoves. The Vargo Ti Triad XE looks pretty cool but seems to get shitty reviews. Any experience with that model?

Also looked at the Trangia Mini Stove, Trail Designs Caldera Cone Stove System, and the Etowah II. Any suggestions or experiences?

Stormrider, It's an older Lightfighter/Eagle RAID pack with two Paraclete GP pouches and an Emdom strobe pouch on the outside.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby mk_ultra » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:38 pm

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/ ... fm/VRG1000

I have the Vargo Ti stove . I bought it on a whim , and even though my primary cook kit is a Jetboil (oh , man do I want the new Helios , I used one for a week this summer and it is awesome) , anyway .. I used the Vargo stove on a quick 2 day trip this past June . I like it a lot .

There was a bit of a learning curve as to how to properly fill it in that it often seemed full when it was not and thus would not light well or would go out . Once I mastered the proper technique I had zero problems .

I typically used it for morning coffee , or simply to boil water and for that it worked well , even a bit faster than expected . For cooking a meal , I imagine a wind screen would be necessary and it would take a bit longer than a typical stove .

All in all , I think it was a good buy and I am glad to have it as part of my kit .

Good to see the MIOX . I have one , but have yet to actually use it . :P
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Mags » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:50 pm

Thanks for the quick response MK Ultra. I'm going to search round and see what I can come up with. WW's Westwind is on the short list as well.

I headed out on the above dayhike with a wicked hangover and no water on me. That put the "PAW stress" on my body from the git go. :lol: Frontier Pro and Platy Bag have earned a perminent spot in my inventory! Miox worked fine. No problems or after taste. I should have taken a picture of the Frontier's pre-filter post hike. It was grungy!
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby TDW586 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:22 pm

Mags wrote: Frontier Pro and Platy Bag have earned a perminent spot in my inventory! Miox worked fine. No problems or after taste. I should have taken a picture of the Frontier's pre-filter post hike. It was grungy!



I've been thinking about a new water filter, something a little smaller and handier than my Katadyn. The Frontier Pro was high on my list, I think I'll go ahead and order one.

And yes, Platy bags freakin' rule. They hold up pretty well too, I've been using my 1-liter daily for almost a year now.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Mags » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:36 pm

TDW, you'll be happy with the Pro/Platy combo I'm sure!

Best price I found for the Military Edition, https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=MC-44160
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby TDW586 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:58 pm

Mags wrote:TDW, you'll be happy with the Pro/Platy combo I'm sure!

Best price I found for the Military Edition, https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=MC-44160


Damn my impulsiveness! Just ordered one of basegear.com for more than that. :oops:
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby northernxposure » Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:41 pm

Great post and gear review, Mags - I really like the rolling update with various pieces of kit in use. I need to learn how to post my trips better, that last one with a few pics in it was a bit "fail" compared to yours and WW's.

Mags/TDW - keep in mind the Frontier Pro is a "wear item", and it's performance will drop over time. The manufacturer uses 50 gallons or something if I can remember right, however I noticed that it getting progressively harder to use the filter to it's fullest potential (I got mine earlier this summer and have been abusing it to see what kind of legs it's got). When it done I'm planning on hollowing it out and seeing if I can use it as a charcoal pre-filter for something else, probably a Sawyer inline. I got mine for 12.00, so I really can't complain - performance vs dollar is full of win on this item.

I want to try a Miox, but there's a part of me that says "keep it simple, stupid" and use the Aquamira tabs. I've got it right next to Steri-Pen on the Want To Try Out list.

Can't wait to see the next installment.

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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Mags » Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:45 pm

Thanks NXP. I do the best I can, but I'm saving my peso's for the "Travel Channel/WW, Hike and Post Adventure Course." I think they have classes forming at the Travel Channel Academy! I heard Les Stroud is a guest instructor! :wink: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

I'm aware of the use up and throw away aspect of the Frontier Pro Filter. Always a good thing to keep in mind! While dunk filling my 1L Platy I slipped a little and stirred up some sediment. Lots of "floaties" in the bottle. The pre-filter worked well and trapped a metric fuck ton of crap. It's obvious why they throw a couple extra in the package. With the filth I stirred up and was filtering I'm sure the filter wouldn't last the estimated 50gal! For under $20 a pop I normally get more than one at a time. They, along with 1L Platy Bags are like my cut down VS17 Panel chunks, I keep them in every pack, bag, kit and vehicle!

I got the MIOX for dealing with larger amounts of water but have used it several times with no real issues. I understand it's electronic and battery operated. I dig it, but it's not my first go to option. The Steri-Pen has never interested me in the least.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Blackdog » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:01 am

Love the gear, love the pics but gotta keep telling myself:

"You don't need any more stuff"

Maybe I should just stop looking.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:35 pm

Mags wrote:WW, I normally like and agree with your view so..........

I'm down for a alcohol stove. The Esbit has been with me for a loooong time. It made many many days and nights in the field and on deployments better. I have been looking at the various alcohol stoves. The Vargo Ti Triad XE looks pretty cool but seems to get shitty reviews. Any experience with that model?

Also looked at the Trangia Mini Stove, Trail Designs Caldera Cone Stove System, and the Etowah II. Any suggestions or experiences?

Stormrider, It's an older Lightfighter/Eagle RAID pack with two Paraclete GP pouches and an Emdom strobe pouch on the outside.


All things Trangia are good but a bit less UL. Have an Etowah and was not impressed. Don't know if the II model is any better. Personally you could go ghetto and make one. Believe it or not these homemade stoves often burn as good or even better than most commercial stoves.

http://antigravitygear.com/alcoholstoveinst.html

http://home.insightbb.com/~royevans/pepsistove.pdf

Not that hard to make and stronger than the materials would suggest.

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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby gear-ho » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:05 pm

EXCELLENT THREAD!!!!!

Thank you for sharing, I had found this during some web searching, and just able to find it again...LMFAO! :lol:

I liked it sooo much I have registered! :D
This is my losing my virginity post, my first time, so please be gentle. :oops:

I have an odd request, can you please take and post some photos of how this is all packed and organized? :?:

Thank you kindly. :wink:
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Some Guy » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:30 pm

gear-ho wrote:EXCELLENT THREAD!!!!!

Thank you for sharing, I had found this during some web searching, and just able to find it again...LMFAO! :lol:

I liked it sooo much I have registered! :D
This is my losing my virginity post, my first time, so please be gentle. :oops:

I have an odd request, can you please take and post some photos of how this is all packed and organized? :?:

Thank you kindly. :wink:


I don't blame you. If I wasn't already a member to this amazing group I would join just from this post too. You should stop my the introduction section and give a shout. There are plenty of great post, Mags is just a great one to see first.
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Re: My BOB Post, Pic Heavy! (UPDATED 10OCT09)

Postby Mags » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:25 pm

WOW G-Ho! Those are some nice things to say **Blushing** Thank You!

Most of my bags, packs and edc are within the post it's self. I'll pick'em out for you though.

My EDC "basically."
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My small basic just GHB.
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My two MultiCam bags, one a GP bag, the other molle lined and more specialized.
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My day/assualt Pack, RAID.
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My multi-day MultiCam pack,Kifaru ZXR/XTL.
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My extended tripwinter pack, Kifaru EMR/XTL.
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My old sled and new sled.
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My vehicle trunk.
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My range loadout.
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My climbing gear duffel.
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My medical bag/kits.
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Hope this is what you were looking for. Thanks again for the great kind words.


IMHO, YMMV.....
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