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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby thecheeto » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:12 pm

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thecheeto wrote:I'm not Dutch born, but my Father's Father and my Mother's Mother were both immigrants from the Netherlands. Some of my other Dutch American friends regularly proclaim loudly "If it ain't Dutch it ain't much!" With a last name that begins with "van der" when ever I am in the Netherlands people just start talking to me in Dutch...

Hehe, sorry about that... :P

And, of course, I can do nothing but agree with your friends! ;)


Its OK, I don't really mind except for that it reminds me I have utterly neglected learning any useful amount of Dutch. Also, my friends are clearly quite right. 8)
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:46 am

Well I can't blame you. Dutch isn't an easy language to learn, especially if your primary language is of another origin. (For instance, learning Dutch - a Germanic language - while you're used to English - an Anglosaxic language - then that isn't easy!) So many differences in pronunciation, spelling, etc. I mean, most English speaking people already struggle to pronounce the R and G like we Dutchies do. Of course, if you're Dutch and hear an English speaking person trying to pronounce an R or G Dutch-style, then that's pretty amusing, too... ;)

On the other hand, listening to me trying to pronounce complex English words like equilibrium, is pretty amusing also.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Marinus » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:08 am

Lynxian wrote:(For instance, learning Dutch - a Germanic language - while you're used to English - an Anglosaxic language - then that isn't easy!)


That's not totally true.... English has at least partly the same roots as Dutch. You can tell from many consistant similaritier in the vocabulaire. eg:
mouse = muis
house = huis
louse = luis

ball = bal
wall = muur (but also wal)

hand = hand
land = land

can = kan
man = man
pan = pan

cow = koe
how = hoe

mother = moeder
father = vader
fother = voeder (or voer)

Further more: both languages are heavily infuenzed by roman languages; most notably French and Latin. This makes English easy to learn for the Dutch. It's not the other way aroud because the Dutch language has idiotic complex grammatics (A lot of the Dutch do have trouble with that to begin with, I do... (is it: -d, -t or -dt? ;) ). And furthermore: the pronaunciation is difficult i guess
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:03 am

Marinus wrote:That's not totally true.... English has at least partly the same roots as Dutch. You can tell from many consistant similaritier in the vocabulaire. eg:

<snip because otherwise this would be a long quote ;)>

Further more: both languages are heavily infuenzed by roman languages; most notably French and Latin. This makes English easy to learn for the Dutch. It's not the other way aroud because the Dutch language has idiotic complex grammatics (A lot of the Dutch do have trouble with that to begin with, I do... (is it: -d, -t or -dt? ;) ). And furthermore: the pronaunciation is difficult i guess

Oh, very true, of course. But my point was more than if you would already speak a Germanic language (such as German), it would be significantly easier to learn another Germanic language than if you were to speak a language with a structure very different from yours. While they do share a lot of things, Anglosaxic and Germanic languages, they also have a lot of differences, especially in spelling and pronunciation. So that was more what I was referring to. ;)

And yes, our grammar is stupid. But if you compare it to German grammar, it is teh win! ;)
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Marinus » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:09 am

Bump....

Becaus this topic is the only hope the Dutch people has.... :!:
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Moga » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:22 am

Lynxian wrote:
midgetyaz wrote:Please forgive the spelling (trying to write it phonetically)...

Gaveh shoonen, villya nooken

And

nooken in de kooken.


First is; "Cool shoes, wanna fuck?"
Second is: "Fucking in the kitchen" (it rhymes in Dutch)


ROFLMAO. LOLOL.

I was having a CRUMMY ASS day until I read this. After obnoxiously laughing out loud for about 30 seconds I feel almost human again. Thanks.

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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:49 am

Marinus wrote:Bump....

Because this topic is the only hope the Dutch people has.... :!:

Heh, I wouldn't quite want to put it that way. But, on the other hand, I've never been said to be a messiah before, so I'm willing to take on the role and see how that works for me.. :P

Moga wrote:ROFLMAO. LOLOL.

I was having a CRUMMY ASS day until I read this. After obnoxiously laughing out loud for about 30 seconds I feel almost human again. Thanks.

:lol:

Heh, glad to lighten your day with someone else's embarrassment. ;)
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Coop » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:22 am

Lynxian wrote:
Moga wrote:ROFLMAO. LOLOL.

I was having a CRUMMY ASS day until I read this. After obnoxiously laughing out loud for about 30 seconds I feel almost human again. Thanks.

:lol:

Heh, glad to lighten your day with someone else's embarrassment. ;)


As we say here in the Netherlands: "Geen beter vermaak dan leedvermaak". Which translates to something like: "No better entertainment than someone elses' misery".
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Izegrim » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:02 am

SPECIAL REQUEST

Another Dutch reporting in! I'm opting for a roll call because there's something evil cooking up amongst these muddy lands we call our home...

So if there are Dutchies out there who are alive and willing to kick the rear bones of the undead:

REPORT IMMEDIATELY!! :twisted:

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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Coop » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:21 am

Oooooohhhhh another dutchie :)

Welcome to the dutch topic....


Not much to say today... too preoccupied... last few hours at work, then preparing for a trip on sunday, going zombie hunting near the Veluwe for 10 days... Have to see if I can fit all my gear, my dog & my wife (not necessarily in that order, but probably... yeah) in the car.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby AvalonKnight » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:38 pm

Just moved to this lovely country a year ago. It is definitely a lot more flat compared with my swiss mountains. What I have to get adjusted to here though is the very, very, did I say very restricted weapon laws. Still have to find out if I first have to get a hunting license in order to be allowed to bear arms here. Maybe some of you have an idea. I dont think my sniper qualifications from the swiss army would help ey?
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Coop » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:18 pm

Allowed to bear arms? Good luck with that in NL...

A hunting license will not be enough. That just allows you to hunt on the property of the municipality where the license was handed out. You will need a weapons permit, which is not very easy to get. The easiest way is to get a job that requires it and even then the keeping of weapons in your home is very restricted.
IIRC Even sport shooters can only store their weapon at the shooting range until certain demands are met. Moving to another country will require less hassle to get the papers to legally store a gun in your home...
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:48 am

AvalonKnight wrote:Still have to find out if I first have to get a hunting license in order to be allowed to bear arms here. Maybe some of you have an idea. I dont think my sniper qualifications from the swiss army would help ey?

Bear arms, huh? Yeah, there's one good way to bear arms in The Netherlands; not living here and not being here. That pretty much increases your legal options of bearing arms by 250%.

No matter what you do in this country; if you use a firearm for personal protection, you'll be prosecuted. (Unless, of course, you're in the army or police, but even then, you may only use it for self defense while on the job and when threatened with your life.)

And yes, the weapon laws suck yet we still have plenty of gun violence. And all the governments we've had over the years (and we will undoubtedly have in the future) think that, because of our strict weapon laws, it's still soooooo much lower than what it would've been hadn't they been so strict. Politicians so easily forget history, I'm afraid.

Lastly; being a specialized sniper still won't help you in any of the legal ways of obtaining a firearm. Strangely enough, our weapon laws aren't so much focused on training and education, as they are on strict background checks. Also keep in mind that if you obtain a hunting or sports license for firearms, the police will be allowed to search your premises twice a year without needing permission from the judge. You will hand in some of your rights when in the possession of firearms.

Your best bet probably is to get an air-rifle, hunting bow or crossbow. For some reason, those are perfectly legal to have on your property. Just make sure you have one hell of an excuse when used in self defense, or you will be arrested for excessive use of force during self defense.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby AvalonKnight » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:45 am

Thank you both for your insight into the weapons law background in the netherlands. I was under the impression that also softair and airgun equipment or anything replica to the real thing is forbidden. But the bow hunting is an alternative I will investigate.
I am also looking at job alternatives that would put me into a more favourable position.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:23 am

Airrifles are legal, but only for recreational use. You may not carry them anywhere except in your house. (How the law expects you to fire it in your house without damaging your walls, I can't possibly tell you.) I do believe you're allowed to transport them to alernate locations (e.g.: shooting range) when packaged in such a way that you can't access it quickly. Hunting bows and crossbows may, of course, also be used at their designated ranges. (Usually every big city has a bow practicing organization.)

Replica's are a bit tricky; having a replica is indeed illegal, even if it has an orange tip of shoots bb pellets. However, you're allowed to have antique replica's, assuming they've been disabled. (I think they did this to prevent people who still have WW2 rifles as memoribilia to get their precious memories taken away from the government. For some reason they tend to fear the generation that still knew hardship and knows how to fight. ;))

Job alternatives; what's your specialty?

Edit: having swords, knives, halberds, battle maces or whatever is also legal. Assuming they're in your house and out of sight from the general public walking by and looking in through your window. For some reason, having a person charging at your with a kantana in one hand and a battle mace in the other, is considered less dangerous or fearsome then someone with a 9mm handgun. *shrugs*
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby AvalonKnight » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:00 am

Lynxian wrote:Job alternatives; what's your specialty?


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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:49 am

AvalonKnight wrote:
Lynxian wrote:Job alternatives; what's your specialty?


see PM

Gotcha! :)
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Coop » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:55 am

AvalonKnight wrote:I am also looking at job alternatives that would put me into a more favourable position.


Farmer, forrester, police officer & arms dealer. thats about it.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:04 pm

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AvalonKnight wrote:I am also looking at job alternatives that would put me into a more favourable position.


Farmer, forrester, police officer & arms dealer. thats about it.

Weaponstoreowner?
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Coop » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:31 pm

Lynxian wrote:
Coop wrote:
AvalonKnight wrote:I am also looking at job alternatives that would put me into a more favourable position.


Farmer, forrester, police officer & arms dealer. thats about it.

Weaponstoreowner?


that was the term I was looking for... arms dealer does sound a little shady :P
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Izegrim » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:35 am

Even carrying a knife is restricted here. I don't even start thinking about carrying a fire arm. There are lots of people CCW illegally though, often more than you know! I don't. ;)

Hey, I need to know if there's any interest in forming a Dutch chapter. I've set some things in motion and I need to know if there are enough of you on this board willing to participate.

Who am I?
My name is... top secret!! JK, I don't want to put any personal information out on the internet. I can tell you that I'm involved in social work and that I'm specifically attracted to outdoor and sports.

Why am I willing to do this?
Because when I discovered this site it triggered something. To me it makes sense because I love everything that is discussed here so I'm looking for people that would like to meet up every once in a while to undertake some kickass activities, empower our community by charity work and chill out with a cold one and gore on the big screen! I've already got some friends who are in but they don't know about ZS. I want to keep things exciting.

How are we going to do this?
Read the main requirements taken from this site:
The main requirements are:
* Members: Three active Zombie Squad members to act as the responsible coordinators or officers of the chapters. These will be the folks who sign the relevant paperwork, and who we at ZS-HQ will look upon as the official leaders of the chapter.
* Events: At least 2 charity events hosted a year (blood drive, food drive, clothing drive, local charity fund raiser, highway clean up, etc).
* Regular meetings: Meetings at least every other month for the officers/members to plan events. Meetings at least once a quarter open to the public for recruiting and publicizing.


So... who's in? Send me a PM please.

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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby dogbane » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:20 am

Bump, because we have a new Nederlander on board.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Smallhold » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:37 am

dogbane wrote:Bump, because we have a new Nederlander on board.

Uhm yeah, that´d be yours truly.
Dogbane either has an uncanny memory for threads that hang around here or a penchant for the Dutch. Must be the latter of course :mrgreen:
Would like to hear more about a possible Dutch chapter, pack or whatever you'd prefer to call a group of people that willingly live below sealevel.
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Re: Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

Postby Lynxian » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:28 pm

Smallhold wrote:
dogbane wrote:Bump, because we have a new Nederlander on board.

Uhm yeah, that´d be yours truly.
Dogbane either has an uncanny memory for threads that hang around here or a penchant for the Dutch. Must be the latter of course :mrgreen:
Would like to hear more about a possible Dutch chapter, pack or whatever you'd prefer to call a group of people that willingly live below sealevel.
Just saying....

Well, for the difficulties surrounding a Dutch chapter, I refer thee to my earlier post. ;)

I think the actual biggest problem is finding three Dutch ZS members (I'm a forumgoer, but not a ZS member, I think that's the case with most Dutchies on here) that would be willing to take the administrative tasks upon them. From experience I can tell you that such things take way more time than you think and would really have to be a hobby for those executing it. Especially when events would be organized.

Nevertheless, if you're passionate about it, feel free to organize it, of course, you might be surprised at the response. (Mind you, try finding out how many Dutchies there actally are on here, first. I haven't a clue! :?)

As for the name of a Dutch chapter? Well, following traditional Dutch naming conventions would probably lead to something like: "Vereeniging der Volkschbescherming, Veurbereiding en Kameraadschap". (Beste effect wordt bereikt met het inbeelden van de stem van het Polygoon journaal.)
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