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Toveri wrote:I would consider to be possibly the most realistic PAW around these parts. While it would be a very survivable catastrophy in that rarely anyone would die directly from the event itself the infrastructure would be in a very bad shape.
And considering what I hear about the emergency plans of the local electric companies I would expect a very long blackout...

Indeed, the Carrington flare itself occured during a relatively weak cycle similar to the one expected to peak in 2012-2013. Could it happen again?

rpc wrote:...150 years isn't much when you're dealing with something as old as the sun. It happened then, so something similar could happen again in our lifetimes, IMHO.
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brilliant.airexurb wrote:or it could happen in another 100,000 years. Something happening 150 after the first event is basically instantaneous to something that is already 6 billion years old. Who knows. It is a bit worrisome though.
airexurb wrote:rpc wrote:...150 years isn't much when you're dealing with something as old as the sun. It happened then, so something similar could happen again in our lifetimes, IMHO.
or it could happen in another 100,000 years. Something happening 150 after the first event is basically instantaneous to something that is already 6 billion years old. Who knows. It is a bit worrisome though.
rpc wrote:But we've only been keeping close track of historical events for the past few hundred years. And we've only had to deal with electrical items for less than two hundred years.
He found more than 350 transformers at risk of permanent damage and 130 million people without power. The loss of electricity would ripple across the social infrastructure with "water distribution affected within several hours; perishable foods and medications lost in 12-24 hours; loss of heating/air conditioning, sewage disposal, phone service, fuel re-supply and so on."
Ellie With An Axe wrote:We're addicted. Seems like the worst of the addiction started after 9/11, with the advent of the 24-hour newstainment stations and the breaking news crawl.
-- NASA, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008 ... nflare.htm...as electronic technologies have become more sophisticated and more embedded into everyday life, they have also become more vulnerable to solar activity. On Earth, power lines and long-distance telephone cables might be affected by auroral currents, as happened in 1989. Radar, cell phone communications, and GPS receivers could be disrupted by solar radio noise. Experts who have studied the question say there is little to be done to protect satellites from a Carrington-class flare. In fact, a recent paper estimates potential damage to the 900-plus satellites currently in orbit could cost between $30 billion and $70 billion. The best solution, they say: have a pipeline of comsats ready for launch.
I hear you on that. it amazes me as well.Ellie With An Axe wrote:I don't know how my plains pioneer ancestors did it - often going without news or mail for months, until the telegraph and railroad came along.
you could probably still get prescriptions filled locally, with what the pharmacy had on hand, if they kept paper records or you could provide proof of your prescription (such as your last prescription bottle which lists pharmacy, doctor, date, and refills left). people with all electric households or gas appliances with electric starters would likely have to make use of camping stove and grills. There would likely be a run on propane stoves and such. I would think things like food and refrigeration would be handled just like in any hurricane/flood. It's the crime rate from lack of lights and security that I'd guess would be more problematic.Ellie With An Axe wrote:But forgetting the news, there are more important things to stress over, such as how to get prescriptions refilled, how to cook if your house is all-electric, or would gas lines be affected, too? There's some electric powerhouse cranking out the gas somewhere, right?
I'm not positive, but I believe most nursing homes have backup power for outages and generators if their residents require electrical devices to breathe, etc. I don't know of any hospital that doesn't have generators and backup power. Theoretically the only challenge there would be getting enough fuel.Ellie With An Axe wrote:How do you take care of a parent in a nursing home if the nursing home is in darkness and has no power? What about the patients in the hospital on ECMO? What about the people with pacemakers? Those are just immediate problems.
I think businesses are the hard part since many many companies utilize computers in some way or electronic equipment. Even something like a fast food business would be crippled without a generator since nearly all cooking equipment requires electricity and has electric timers, and all cash registers are electronic as well. so I'd imagine the loss of income for many would probably be more difficult than having to make-do with no home electricity. My guy and I agreed that we'd have to bug out to another location that wasn't effected in order to continue earning income since we require computers and internet to work.Ellie With An Axe wrote:I don't know if I can imagine 130 million people and businesses, and their local governments, without power and doing okay.
lots of that during the 2003 blackout. and the bars were packed.andygates wrote:There would be a lot of signs up saying "Yes! We are open! (grill only)" and "Cash Only"
andygates wrote:And we Brits are already used to warm beer!

Y.T. wrote:you could probably still get prescriptions filled locally, with what the pharmacy had on hand, if they kept paper records or you could provide proof of your prescription (such as your last prescription bottle which lists pharmacy, doctor, date, and refills left).Ellie With An Axe wrote:But forgetting the news, there are more important things to stress over, such as how to get prescriptions refilled, how to cook if your house is all-electric, or would gas lines be affected, too? There's some electric powerhouse cranking out the gas somewhere, right?
I would think things like food and refrigeration would be handled just like in any hurricane/flood.
I'm not positive, but I believe most nursing homes have backup power for outages and generators if their residents require electrical devices to breathe, etc. I don't know of any hospital that doesn't have generators and backup power. Theoretically the only challenge there would be getting enough fuel.
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