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Postby Sealegs » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:35 am

Firstly I apologize for all the unnecessary imspirational pics. I'll try to redact this later on and bring it down to just text or whatever is more fitting.

So, I didn't find a primer on how to take your pack and carry it as far as the road goes, and then continue on where there is no road. Maybe my search -fu is weak but anyway. I consider this to be bushcraft 101. If you can't get anywhere without blisters, what good are you? I've dug up some old pictures from the fells. I try to go twice a year, once in the summer and once in the winter. Not primarily to keep my skills up but more because I just plain miss it. Hope they aren't too shoddy, and I've redacted some faces here and there.

Dump your experiences on foot care, boot selection and how to get the best mileage on a hike here so's we can compile it. Links to feet care posts, hiking gear posts etc are all wanted.

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OK, so thats where we're going! Yes, those are wool socks drying on the ruck between breaks.

Why hike?
So, why hike? Well my simple answer is why not? Getting good distance on foot with a heavy pack isn't a skill you can perfect online, you can however learn from the mistakes of others. I've done enough of them in my lifetime to serve this whole forum a 3 course meal á person.

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Enjoying a three course meal with a view.

Boots:
The boots are tremendously important and because of that you will get varying and often contradictory advice on what to get. There is a science unto its own to see what makes a quality boot. However there is no sure way of finding the perfect one for you. It depends on terrain, load and foot.

My advice would be to start out with a generic surplus boot [unissued surplus] and mold it to your foot. Molding a boot is standard military fare but I have no idea how common this is in a civilian setting. You fill them w. warm water, let them sit for a while and then put them on, lace them up tight and go outside and walk. Allot.

When you've worn those out you will know what to look for in a boot and you will know not to listen to internetgurus when it's something as important as your feet.

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My feet are warm, comfortable and dry inside my cheap leather surplus boots, in turn nested insite gaiters.

Socks:
Without good socks life will be much harder on you. A trick we use here is to use double socks all the time. Even in summer. We have thinner wool outer socks for summer, and thicker for winter. This will no doubt be a little sweatier, but it will save you chafing and blistering and also provide you with warm socks when you need it, such as when walking through snow or if it gets cold at camp.

There are two main ways of drying your socks between breaks.
- On your ruck, if it's not raining.
- Inside your rain gear. Either in the jacket, on the chest or arm pits, hanging downwards, or in the pants. Handing down the thighs.

Tape:
Taping your feet is another of those things you should give a go. Sure, you could have native american super hard feet that can run on gravel without even noticing it, but chances are you don't. That's where tape comes into play.

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- One piece of tape from the Achilles tendon down and over the ball of your foot.
- One piece across your front sole just running beneath your toes and up on the sides.

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The most important part IMO is balancing the load, which allows you to move naturally. No matter how expensive a pack is, if you pack it like an ass, you'll carry it like one.

Rucksack:
This is another one of those areas. Like the big Kifaru holabaloo in another thread. You know what works for you, even if you don't know, you will know what doesn't work after a few 100 miles of rough terrain. You could go bush hippie Cody and tie it all in a large tablecloth Hudson bay style.
IMO it's more how you pack and if you have a pack that's meant to haul the kind of load you bring.

Clothes:
Unless it's the category below this one, it's fairly simple. For exposure you need layering, for walking you need air flow and comfort. Groin airflow is pretty much one of the most overlooked aspects of ruck humping pants. Infantry fire is what we call the chafing of the groin. Brought down too many proud men! [baby powder, vaseline and so forth. There is a shitload of ways to guard against it but airflow is IMO king among them. I envy the kilt-users in this aspect.]

Gaiters are a real luxury. Not a necessity but really, they make a heap of difference on morale. I'm not talking about the open bottom kind, I'm talking about the full boot wader kind that allows you to tromp through water. Like pack down wellingtons.

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Going for the summit!

Winter:
Is another ballgame. And to be frank, you shouldn't attempt it unless you know this shit inside out. So I'll leave it for the other great threads on the subject, Murph's, CypherNamedRaven's etc.

Breaks:
Breaks are key to gaining ground. I've lost count how many times I've gone past units who didn't take regular breaks. A normal march holds the 50/10 pattern.
50 minutes of march and then 10 minutes of active rest. So, what do I mean by active rest?
- Get your warm coat/shirt on if it's a bit windy or chilly.
- Get your boots & socks off.
- Feet check.
-- Massage your feet
-- Check for soreness, red or white areas.
-- Check tape, change if needed.
- Put feet up on backpack while lying/sitting down. This reduces swelling and gives you more wind on ze footsies.
- Eat yer crackers or trailmix.
- Drink a bit of water.
- If you have exceedingly heavy loads you should massage each others shoulders. (No, it's not "gay", it's the difference between professional and amateur.)

Think you can manage that in 10 minutes? If you do, it'll let you pack on considerably more miles in one day than you would otherwise trying to forge on hour after hour.

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Ya gotta drink. (Yes, that is a cotton shirt. U mad? :lol: )

Hydration:
How much water you can absorb varies something along the lines of who are you, what are you doing and where are you? Many folk nowadays use hydration bladders but I still think a canteen gives you two distinct hiking advtantages.
1. You get an excuse to pause briefly and enjoy the view.
2. You have something that you can easily share or use for first aid purposes is it comes down to that. Just not practical to pass the hose around. :wink: But that's just me and we already talked about listening to internet people when it comes to these things.

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Some places the sun just never sets during the summer. The downside is it never rises during the winter either.

Sun:
Sun or warmth, it can give you sunburn, dehydration problems, heat stroke and a load of other malevolent issues. Anyone who has been deployed in the desert can tell you that you almost want more clothing than less. But for gods sakes don't wear a t-shirt under your shirt. :lol: A cap for the eyes is good for both sun and rain.

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The common mosquito is the most common wildlife encounter here.

Wildlife:
Don't go out and about without knowing what inhabits the area you are going to visit. Whether it be bears, mosquitos or rednecks like me, you need to understand the possible threats and how to prevent and mitigate them. Washing your clothes in deet is awesome, but it does clog the fibers and make them a bit warmer. Something to think about.

Then again, getting a few hundred mosquito bites isn't all that bad if you compare it to a few hundred bear bites. So you might chose to go my route instead. :lol: Interestingly after a few weeks you seem to develop a seasonal immunity.

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Even a 4 season tent can fail if set it up in the wrong place.

Terrain & orienteering:
Choosing the right path can make or break your hike. Don't cry if you take the wrong route, just buck up, back track or skirt it and get back on track. Everyone does it at least once, and probably more times. I prefer a map and a compass over a GPS since I've found that riding around in my APC with a GPS made me less adept at normal orienteering after a while.

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Gaiters. Hell yes!

Sometimes it's unavoidable that you'll have to cross difficult terrain and other times it comes down to outright dangerous terrain or plain going back home. Those are decisions only you and your friends can make, my only tip is if you reach an impasse, paper, rock, scissors can be a good tie breaker.

Crossing water is one of those things. I'll try and find a video on it and link because it's really not something you explain w. words. I have a pic but it refuses to scale properly. Will look into this later on.

More detailed posts on feet & tape, muscle soreness, trail mix recipies, boot waxes etc will follow. Please chime in with the ZS wisdom!
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Re: Bushcraft Basics: How to ruck [& too many inspiration pi

Postby the_alias » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:15 am

Awesome post! Amazing images as well. Can we post our own hike pictures?

RE Boots and Blisters: if you feel rubbing stop and apply moleskin straight away. Earlier you deal with the problem the better.
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Re: Bushcraft Basics: How to ruck [& too many inspiration pi

Postby Sealegs » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:39 am

the_alias wrote:Awesome post! Amazing images as well. Can we post our own hike pictures?

RE Boots and Blisters: if you feel rubbing stop and apply moleskin straight away. Earlier you deal with the problem the better.


Bring the inspiration on! All I can do now is dream about having the time to get out anyway. :lol: Might as well dream big.

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The hike above was 14 days in no-mans-land. We didn't encounter a single person but saw some reindeer herds and a bear. The pack was abt 80lbs when we started out and without combat gear and other muck it was quite enjoyable. Abt 120miles through "black" terrain. (Extremely demanding, high alpine without existing trails.) Some days the terrain only allows you to get a mile or two in every hour and other days when you plot the right course you can really burn some shoe.
You can see in some pictures we've picked up reindeer antlers that we'd come across and strapped them to the packs.
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Postby the_alias » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:01 pm

The importance of resting with a good view:
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When hiking in the mountains in some areas you need to keep an eye out for unexploded shells used for avalanche control. Rarer nowadays but still out there:
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When hiking on firing ranges make sure you know range times :lol:
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The importance of a stylish hat should not be under estimated, or just layering. Going up hill remember to strip off layers and then put layers on at rests.
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Gaiters would have been good as well
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Postby Murph » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:01 pm

First off this is a great thread! And all of the pictures are great too, keep them in!

I also did a thread about Footwear a few months back:
http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 18&t=61465
There is some back and forth about this boot vs. that boot but most of it is very generic information.

Here's also a quick write up about a Backpacking trip I did with two other guys on the forums:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=67146
Hopefully there is something to learn from that, or be inspiring to others.
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Postby oldsoldier » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:22 pm

One quick thing on footcare, I picked up from a LD hiker years ago, but never tried-he used to use anti-perspirant (NOT deodorant) on his feet, to keep them from sweating. He said it negated the need to double up on socks, at least for him. Particularly during winter-no sweat meant more comfortable feet. Again, I have never tested this, but have heard of it.
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Postby Sealegs » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:37 pm

oldsoldier wrote:One quick thing on footcare, I picked up from a LD hiker years ago, but never tried-he used to use anti-perspirant (NOT deodorant) on his feet, to keep them from sweating. He said it negated the need to double up on socks, at least for him. Particularly during winter-no sweat meant more comfortable feet. Again, I have never tested this, but have heard of it.


It's a great trick! One of the best kinds to use is the "deo rock" thingies. It's mainly "alun" whatever that it, but they last for frickin ever. I have sweaty feet though, so I'm stuck w. the double socks or I'd have to rub them down every 10 minutes. :lol: They also sell some weapons grade anti perspirant at the pharmacies if you really want to have dry feet. That + baby powder works like a magic bullet.

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Also, Tiger Balm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Balm
I always pack this, when you carry big packs up and down hills you get aches and bruises. This is what makes it all go away when you stretch out in the tent/shelter at night. Smells very distinctly though.
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Postby Chef » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:31 pm

Good stuff! Especially the point about "active rest." If you're humping a heavy load and simply stop moving entirely on your rest break, your muscles will seize up and it will be that much more difficult to get back under the load and start moving again. It's good to keep moving on breaks.

I've never used the deodorant or tincture of benzoin tricks on my feet, but double socks are religiously adhered to. Even in hot humid climates I wear thick wool socks all summer long.

I'd like to see some more detailed pictures of your gaiters, Sealegs.
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Postby Sealegs » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:51 pm

Chef wrote:I'd like to see some more detailed pictures of your gaiters, Sealegs.


It's a pair of Lundhags Coverboots. Överdragsstövlar as we say here.
http://www.letro.se/default.asp?page=ht ... odId=18118

About $14. You just use them to cross difficult terrain like a bit of marsh, slushy snow or other wet parts. They hold up really well and are quite easy to field repair.
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Postby Chef » Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:04 pm

Those look far more useful than the gaiters I see over here, which remind me of dress spats on steroids-- not very useful in keeping nastiness out since the bottoms are open.
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Postby sigboy40 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:26 pm

ah, Tiger Balm, I had forgotten about that particular shade of awesome.

Tell me more about Gators. I have a pair of hip waders that I use, but they go inside your boot and can cause other issues. Not to mention that fact that your boots still get soaked. Do rthe ones you linked seal up at the bottom to keep water out of your boot?
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Postby Shaper » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:37 pm

Great post, OP!
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Postby Confucius » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:45 pm

Great thread, you are definitely hardier than I, my opinions on snow and walking through it involves long strings of obscenities.


Here's my inspirational pics from my last hike (which I'm very slowly gearing up for actually completing this coming summer) viewtopic.php?f=32&t=68925
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Postby Sealegs » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:55 pm

Think of them as knee waders. :lol: In winter the normal gators are good enough but in the wet seasons I'd rather have a pair of wellingtons. And this is the portable version of that. Just bring a bicycle repair kit or something if you spring a leak.

Wet boots suck so bad I'd probably pack break down stilts if that was the only option left. Another reason why I hate jungles. [I have many, many reasons.]

There is a military version of these, not available for sale anywhere as far as I know. I've only seen them once when I was getting my issue gear and was in the same line as some of the herp derp spec ops dudes going to the stan back in 01 or something. Looked pretty much indestructible. But like everything else that is good in life they probably only made 30 and for a ridiculous price.

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Confucius, awesome trail! Now I'll have to add it to my "to trekk" places. :lol: Walking through snow is really just down to thinking of every stride as a victory and playing your very own mental heroic theme song. Just don't do like my friend and A: choose an incessantly annoying one and B: hum it out loud over and over again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMsEFWO_oi0 This is the one he's been pestering me with for years, mixed with some He-Man and "The Imperial March".

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Postby ninja-elbow » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:47 pm

Man - my Thai Mother used tiger balm for anything. It was 90% of her first aid kit when I was a wee boy. Little cold stuffing you up? Tiger balm up your nose. Coughing? TB on your chest. Sore back? TB on your back. Headache? TB on your head. Broken femur and it's sticking out? TB on you leg.

Great thread Sealegs - fundamentals is something that always needs teaching and spreading.

One tip my Dad taught me:
If you are trudging up hill and are getting tired but don't want to stop for some reason, take shorter steps.
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Postby maldon007 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:58 pm

A quick note on ball/taint care :lol:

I have found a dedicated antiperspirant, for the groinal region, is a must. Keeps the sweat down, and reduces friction. Reapply, as needed.
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Postby Blackdog » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:35 am

Great advice on boots and taking breaks. I shoot for the 50/10 myself, not a big deal to skip breaks on a day hike but it really becomes important on multi-days. For the most part I think remote advice on what boots are snazzy is like listening to the wind blowing (and I have done a little wind blowing from time to time), you just have to get fitted and see what works in your AO on your feet. This is really one area where cutting corners can make for a long long day.

Never cared for using 2 pairs of socks or putting deodorant on my feet (let alone on my package) myself but lots of folk do. I guess one reason I never tried the deodorant trick is I never pack it on multi-days so why bother on shorter treks.

Don't over look the benifits of packing Tincture of Benzoin. Many good uses for the hoofs. If I have put on moleskin or duct tape I will clean the area well and then coat the area with some Benzoin. After the Benzoin becomes tacky/dry put on the tape or moleskin, it will really stick on much better. Back in the dark days our medics would shoot the Benzoin directly into a blister, yikes, not for the faint of heart.

http://www.badwater.com/training/blisters.html

http://www.fortunebaycompany.com/Education/Foot%20Care%20Part%20Two.htm

Can't overplay positive side of getting a pair of gaitors. In the desert it will keep the sand that will cause foot problems out of you boots, in the winter snow and in the mountains they will keep the little bushes from sticking in your socks and driving you just about crazy.

Why hike? It's good for you, builds skills and lets you find what really works for you in your AO. Takes me the first couple of days just to settle into the routine but after that life is good and I always seem to come back a better person (at least for a while).

Now get out there.

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Postby ninja-elbow » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:30 am

KInd of on the "why hike" question, I get asked all the time here in Portland:
"Do you need to be an outdoorsy person to be a member of Zombie Squad?" as some of the people interested in ZS are not interested in camping or hiking.

I answer "No, not at all." and I end it there. There's plenty of things to do in ZS that does not include going outside or out of the city. Later, when the oppurtunity shows up, I do say that what I, and I hope others, find important with hiking and camping and it's relation to disaster prepping, is it shows you what you can and cannot live without.

For me, it broadens my comfort lines ... I have become more resilient thus need less. I tell people my favorite breakfast is a Cliffbar, some jerky and coffee from my thermos, JetBoil or the fire I walked 1 mile into the woods to build on a cool and maybe misty morning and quiet. Preferably alone. They think that is horrible, as did I 20 years ago. So, to me, it's about just needing less for satisfaction - thus me needing less in my day to day city life - thus needing less in disaster situations.

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Postby Confucius » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:11 pm

maldon007 wrote:A quick note on ball/taint care :lol:

I have found a dedicated antiperspirant, for the groinal region, is a must. Keeps the sweat down, and reduces friction. Reapply, as needed.

Shame, that sounds like a great idea, but I react badly to most antiperspirants in an itchy-skin-peely way. So I think I'll pass on that one...
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Postby Jeriah » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:15 am

Confucius wrote:
maldon007 wrote:A quick note on ball/taint care :lol:

I have found a dedicated antiperspirant, for the groinal region, is a must. Keeps the sweat down, and reduces friction. Reapply, as needed.

Shame, that sounds like a great idea, but I react badly to most antiperspirants in an itchy-skin-peely way. So I think I'll pass on that one...


I just use talcum powder, aka baby powder or Gold Bond Body Powder. The talc absorbs the sweat and lubricates your thighs, preventing chafing.

DO NOT use Gold Bond Foot Powder, it is mentholated or medicated or whatever like Vap-O-Rub or Tiger Balm, and feels about the same.
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Postby sigboy40 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:28 am

Jeriah wrote:DO NOT use Gold Bond Foot Powder, it is mentholated or medicated or whatever like Vap-O-Rub or Tiger Balm, and feels about the same.

I use the medicated all the time with no issues. Although I would recomend staying away from the maximum strength one.
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Postby Confucius » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:30 am

Jeriah wrote:
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maldon007 wrote:A quick note on ball/taint care :lol:

I have found a dedicated antiperspirant, for the groinal region, is a must. Keeps the sweat down, and reduces friction. Reapply, as needed.

Shame, that sounds like a great idea, but I react badly to most antiperspirants in an itchy-skin-peely way. So I think I'll pass on that one...


I just use talcum powder, aka baby powder or Gold Bond Body Powder. The talc absorbs the sweat and lubricates your thighs, preventing chafing.

DO NOT use Gold Bond Foot Powder, it is mentholated or medicated or whatever like Vap-O-Rub or Tiger Balm, and feels about the same.

Haha, this reminds me of back in high school when a couple of friends and I convinced one of the cross country runners that Icy Hot was the best thing to prevent crotchital (definitely a word) chafing...
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Postby Jeriah » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:51 am

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Jeriah wrote:DO NOT use Gold Bond Foot Powder, it is mentholated or medicated or whatever like Vap-O-Rub or Tiger Balm, and feels about the same.

I use the medicated all the time with no issues. Although I would recomend staying away from the maximum strength one.


No shit? On your taint? That's interesting. Now I can't remember now if I've actually tried it myself or am just associating the idea with the terrible feeling of accidental Tiger Balm on the junk. I guess the only way to settle this is...with science! :lol:
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Postby AgentBlack » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:58 am

Holly shit Blackdog, what kind of camera do you use? The resolution is so clear it almost hurts my eyes to look at your pics!!
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