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Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:03 am

I purified a couple of cups of pine resin by bringing it to a slow boil and maintaining the heat until I'd skimmed off all the debris and there was only a clear amber liquid remaining. I then poured it into a pair of Altoid tins and let it harden. It is now a rocklike consistency and is easily scraped into powder. I tried using some of the powder as tinder for my firesteel, but it wouldn't catch. Even when I tried putting it in a fire it didn't burn. It only melted. I understand it's a good firestarter, but I can't get it to work. Any ideas or tips?
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by MacAttack » Wed May 13, 2009 12:06 am

Try thinning it with something flammable.

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:07 am

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by MacAttack » Wed May 13, 2009 12:16 am

My guess is that if you could add turpentine.

Melting it down probably evaporated the flammables off.

Melt it down again.
As its cooling keep stirring in the Turpentine. If it ends up to liquid to stay inside the box add some more pine sap until its firm again.



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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Maeklos » Wed May 13, 2009 12:17 am

Pine resin is the stuff that makes amber. I.e., a non-reactive semi-precious stone. I think it's all the stuff that you skimmed off of it that was flammable. I could be wrong, though.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:20 am

I guess I'll have to keep experimenting with it.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Allen » Wed May 13, 2009 7:29 am

I don't know why Your rosin won't burn, but I wanted to mention
that melted pine rosin mixed with wood ash makes glue.

I've seen Ray Mears make arrows with it.

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:31 am

I knew about the glue part. I just can't get the reduced rosin to burn.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Chef » Wed May 13, 2009 6:04 pm

I have never had this problem, but then again I've never tried using powdered rosin as a fire starter. Works great was a waterproofing sealer for matches and boosts the burn, too. Not sure what the problem is, but I think it has to melt before it burns (sort of like another type of plant resin best left unmentioned here).

I wouldn't add turpentine if you're trying to make resin (untreated pine sap), since turpentine is what you're trying to boil out of the resin to make rosin (pine sap solids with the turps boiled out).
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Molon Labe » Wed May 13, 2009 6:11 pm

The resin can be used to make hand made fire torchs. You soak the cloth in heated resin, then wrap the top of your torch shaft with the soaked cloth before it dries (use gloves or tongs). The resin doesn't catch easily, but it will burn for a long time after it does. It's why you leave a bit of cloth at the top that hasn't been soaked. That's what catches and the resin acts as a fuel source, like wax for a candle.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Wed May 13, 2009 6:18 pm

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks guys.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by DeltaFoxtrot66 » Wed May 13, 2009 10:38 pm

Hello Hawk, did you try to fire untreated resin with your firesteel? I'm wondering if the spark alone is enough to get a fire going. Whenever I used chunks of pine resin to help with a fire, I don't remember it being crazy flammable, but I do remember it turning kind of liquidy before it burned. Course, that's been awhile ago now. I also recall cutting Pine saplings at about a 45 degree angle, waiting a minute, and lighting the fresh sap. That always took off pretty good, so maybe freshness could be an issue? Let us know how it turns out. Peace, Dave.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Woods Walker » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:45 am

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hawk_45 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:27 pm

Ah. No problem; just curious.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Jeriah » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:38 pm

"This awesome natural material is a great firestarter. Just add a highly flammable liquid." :lol:
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by aa1pr » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:49 am

Mix it with some ash from your fire & you have an emergency dental filling so I have heard.

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by HIX » Thu May 27, 2010 6:22 pm

fill a metal container with a lid, pop a hole in the lid, and position it so that it can drip down into another can, build a fire around the the containers, and the liquid that drips into the can is your flammable substance. This was the way backwoodsman magazine said to do it at least.

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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Hachiman » Thu May 27, 2010 9:30 pm

Molon Labe wrote:The resin can be used to make hand made fire torchs. You soak the cloth in heated resin, then wrap the top of your torch shaft with the soaked cloth before it dries (use gloves or tongs). The resin doesn't catch easily, but it will burn for a long time after it does. It's why you leave a bit of cloth at the top that hasn't been soaked. That's what catches and the resin acts as a fuel source, like wax for a candle.
I always used old cotton mop heads to make my torches. I use a green limb and create a layer of the cotton "string". Roll it in the molten pine resin, pull it out and rewrap before the first layer cools, on and on and on as big as you want to make it. It will be a hard wind that blows it out so keep in mind it will be hard to extinguish if you make a really big one. I always made mine no more than 2-3 layers so I didn't lose much if I had to quench it.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by CitizenZ » Fri May 28, 2010 12:23 am

Wrap it in fancy paper/foil and put a snobby euro-trash name on it. Sell it to your local musicians for $40 an ounce. They use it for violins, cellos and bass strings and bows. Dancers and boxers use it on their shoes to prevent slipping.
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by KnightoftheRoc » Fri May 28, 2010 12:43 am

The reason fresh, liquid pine sap ignites easily, is the presence of natural turpentine. Pine rosin, on it's own, has a higher flash point than the turpentine, and that's why the heated and cooled rosin isn't catching- the turp would have ignited at a lower temp, and burned at a temp above the rosin's flash point. In your processing, you have evaporated the turpentine, and any other volatiles, leaving the high ignition temperature stuff behind as a liquid. So, storing rosin ans a fire STARTER is not a good idea, but adding it to tinder to keep the fire GOING, would be cool, as it's hard for the odd breeze to puff it out. This is also why it works well as a windproofing on matches.

Once you have processed your rosin, there's a bunch of uses for it, some mentioned above, and one that I didn't see was......chewing gum. Yes, it makes a dandy, if rather tasteless, chewing gum. So if you're jonesin' for a chew, there's your PAW substitute. An improvised torch can be made from a green limb by just splitting the end up into a bristle like arrangement, and lighting it (again, before all the turpentine evaporates). There are certain types of pines that were used to make tar from, used in shipping on a variety of things as a waterproofing. If not for this fact, my ancestors would quite possibly have never arrived in America!
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by jdavidboyd » Fri May 28, 2010 12:45 pm

MacAttack wrote:Try thinning it with something flammable.

Yes, thin it down with some gasoline. It will (probably) burn then! :->
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Re: Pine Rosin Question

Post by Raydarkhorse » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:16 am

Pine sap is good for fire starting bioled down like you did it's good for a hot glue. Sap has lots of different applications depending on how it's processed. If you want to start fires with it pick it off the tree and keep it in a pill bottle or something. When you boiled it you boiled out the majority of the volitiles that make it flamable.
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