Study finds that guns dont make bear country safer *GRAPHIC*

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Four people, two of them children, were attacked by moose at the margins of Alaska's largest city on Memorial Day

Fucking meese.

[Evan the Diplomat]

certainly not as much safer as simple food/smell discipline will...

Jamie

For TacAir and Jamie,

I understand camp cleanlisness and proper food storage, but I'm not understanding what you guys mean by odor control.

Don't use aftershave and chapstick that smells sweet or remember to use RightGuard because if your BO is stinking up the forest you will provoke a bear attack?

[slannesh]

And this is just May. Wait till the Kings start running...

Ugh, Moose. I think i'd rather deal with a bear. I remember seeing an interview with Les Stroud (Survivorman) about his 'scariest wilderness experience' it involved being chased through the woods and treed by a rutting bull moose and having to spend half a day up a tree and then bail into a lake to get to his canoe in late September. Bears may be bullet resistant but Moose can be just plain bat shit crazy in the wrong time of year.

Not sure what you were getting at with the "LOL" but i'll choose to take it as you found my stories amusing?

The one news article illustrated my point, the guy was attacked and survived because he was too close to a food source for the bear. If a grizzly bear wants you dead you simply don't survive the encounter. I'd call that a classic case of food aggression, once the bear felt the threat to his food was neutralized it stopped the attack because it wasn't predatory. It's one of those rare encounters that I was talking about. If all bears were that prone to attacking without warning there would either be no people or no bears in either place we live right?

Unfortunately i've never been to Anchorage, sounds like a beautiful place and in many ways a lot like home here. I know you understand Northern Canadian winter better than most people from the US, Or perhaps another way to put it is Northern Canadians understand what an Alaskan winter would be like better than most too.

Looking at population and area of the city on Wikipedia it's not surprising there are a lot more bear issues there than here. 80,000 people in 318 sq km vs 380,000 people in 5079 sq km means you have a lot more people but much less population density. 251/sq km for Prince George vs 76/sq km for Anchorage. I couldn't find any stats comparing Alaskan bear populations to British Columbia's but I suspect it's safe to say we both have a metric ass-tonne of bears compared to most other places in North America

Thankfully we don't have to deal with the crazy salmon feeding frenzy in town here. Salmon do get this far up the Fraser River but we don't get the Discovery Channel footage that they get out at the coast. I can see how that would certainly increase the number of bear encounters in your AO.

[Confucius]

certainly not as much safer as simple food/smell discipline will...

Jamie

For TacAir and Jamie,

I understand camp cleanlisness and proper food storage, but I'm not understanding what you guys mean by odor control.

Don't use aftershave and chapstick that smells sweet or remember to use RightGuard because if your BO is stinking up the forest you will provoke a bear attack?

Cooking is a big one. Don't cook in front of your tent in bear country. Usually when I'm hiking I'll cook dinner and then hike another mile or so after eating before setting up camp.

[AK47Heaven]

You think ten 9mm's will dissuade a 200 lb. black bear?I was up hiking yesterday with a female friend of mine, all I had was my G26 in and there were several bears crunching around and calling over us back and forth.I would occasionally shoot into a hillside when they would get near, I wasn't sure what to do but it seemed to scare them away from the sound at least.

[TacAir]

certainly not as much safer as simple food/smell discipline will...

Jamie

For TacAir and Jamie,

I understand camp cleanlisness and proper food storage, but I'm not understanding what you guys mean by odor control.

Don't use aftershave and chapstick that smells sweet or remember to use RightGuard because if your BO is stinking up the forest you will provoke a bear attack?

Sorry for the long time to reply.

Odor control is, in a great part, what you cook and where you cook it.
Off of my list of Bush treats
Bacon
Peanut butter
tuna fish in oil
Anything with a strong odor and that is oily should be avoided. You just can't keep the smell off of you and/or your gear.

Cook and eat dinner, then move on to your campsite. This may be impossible if using a developed camping area - in as much as the idiot before you left all his/her trash and leftovers behind (not always, but far too often). Time to find another place to camp.

Personal hygiene isn't that big a deal, unless you start to smell like a dump....

[Neddog]

Personal hygiene isn't that big a deal, unless you start to smell like a dump....

Is that why that happens? Where can I find the best deal on the internets to buy a personal hygiene?

[Boondock]

Fatal attack in Denali forest:

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/G ... 815196.php

[Kutter_0311]

Personal hygiene isn't that big a deal, unless you start to smell like a dump....

Is that why that happens? Where can I find the best deal on the internets to buy a personal hygiene?

Baby wipes do a very good job, in my experience. I buy cases of them at Sam's Club. Good stuff.

Fatal attack in Denali forest

I wonder if that guy had a gun, and what kind. Situational awareness is always a factor.

[TacAir]

Personal hygiene isn't that big a deal, unless you start to smell like a dump....

Is that why that happens? Where can I find the best deal on the internets to buy a personal hygiene?

Baby wipes do a very good job, in my experience. I buy cases of them at Sam's Club. Good stuff.

Fatal attack in Denali forest

I wonder if that guy had a gun, and what kind. Situational awareness is always a factor.

Doubtful. The Park Service is kinda down on folks with weapons in the Park.

You see stories where "Federal laws had, prior to February, generally banned loaded guns in national parks aside from certain situations, such as a case where people carried unloaded, dismantled firearms..." is printed or quoted more than once in an article.

Tourists carry this -


Locals carry these


Because when it is dinnertime - this cat could care less


nor will his friends


Truth be told, it is fairly rare to see wildlife in the park, this was the first human death in the 'old park' and the only documented case of a wolf pack kill in Alaska was out on the chain where a teacher taken by a pack of wolves.

Anchorage, on the other hand, here the wildlife is a threat - even in town.

[Kutter_0311]

"Federal laws had, prior to February, generally banned loaded guns in national parks...

And in February they started letting CCW go in parks? Or at least respecting state laws?

[TacAir]

"Federal laws had, prior to February, generally banned loaded guns in national parks...

And in February they started letting CCW go in parks? Or at least respecting state laws?

In 2010 - and the tree fuzz had the usual shit-fit about it.

Please note the .nps.gov still says this

As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal and Alaska state law, to legally possess firearms within Denali National Park and Preserve.

Under federal law, the use or discharge of a firearm is still prohibited by applicable provisions of 36 CFR Section 2.4 and 36 CFR Section 13.30.

Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Click here to see a list of federal facilities in Denali.

Before you could have the weapon, but it had to be broken down. Not that I ever bothered with that...

[74 or more]

Before you could have the weapon, but it had to be broken down. Not that I ever bothered with that...

Whats the point of letting people bring guns if you have to have them broken down? Like you said, I imagine a lot of people don't bother with this.