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PAW vices?

Post by sherlockbonez » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:56 pm

I have about 4x 40s of Gin, about the same in Burbon and Scotches, a few VSOP from my grandda that I found in the basement. Recently quit smoking, so one less thing I have to stock up on.

So what's everyone's plan for smokes and beer?

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Re: PAW vices?

Post by Blkhrt13 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:59 pm

sherlockbonez wrote:I have about 4x 40s of Gin, about the same in Burbon and Scotches, a few VSOP from my grandda that I found in the basement. Recently quit smoking, so one less thing I have to stock up on.

So what's everyone's plan for smokes and beer?


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Re: PAW vices?

Post by killzombies » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:03 pm

Blkhrt13 wrote:
sherlockbonez wrote:I have about 4x 40s of Gin, about the same in Burbon and Scotches, a few VSOP from my grandda that I found in the basement. Recently quit smoking, so one less thing I have to stock up on.

So what's everyone's plan for smokes and beer?


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What you should be doing is learning how to distill your own alcohol. Start with a Mr. Beer kit and work your way up and out. You'd be amazed what you can turn into alcohol. As for tobacco, learn to grow it. There's a huge movement towards that now with the $1/pack tax CIC passed. By huge, I of course mean a few goofballs who have some space and are bored. But it's doable.
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Re: PAW vices?

Post by Blkhrt13 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:07 pm

oops my bad I forgot.
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Re: PAW vices?

Post by Copperhead » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:07 pm

Distilling your own alcohol != smart. If you are not very very careful, there are a lot of medical issues that can result from badly distilled booze. Unless you have a good quality testing system in place, then I would just stick to the fermented stuff (beer, wine, mead, etc.)

Also, from what I know about beer production, anything you can produce in quantity in the PAW will be very different from modern commercial brews. Tasty :D

LATE EDIT: I should have been specific. There are a variety of hard to detect ways to mess up distilling your booze. If you have a good set of equipment and are safe, you won't have any issues. But you could end up killing your liver and making yourself blind if you are not careful.
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Re: PAW vices?

Post by Blkhrt13 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:08 pm

I make my own wine its good!
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Post by cygor98 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:32 pm

Copperhead wrote:Distilling your own alcohol != smart. If you are not very very careful, there are a lot of medical issues that can result from badly distilled booze. Unless you have a good quality testing system in place, then I would just stick to the fermented stuff (beer, wine, mead, etc.)

Also, from what I know about beer production, anything you can produce in quantity in the PAW will be very different from modern commercial brews. Tasty :D
the big dangers are using condensers with lead solder, and in the past they added methanol as a cutting agent to make it go further.
the lead poisoning and the methanol are the real danger of moonshine, not the actual moonshine itself.

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Re: PAW vices?

Post by Real_Ale_Act » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:37 pm

Methanol is a danger of poor distilling technique as well. It has a lower boiling point than ethanol, and if the still isn't built or run correctly, you can wind up with tainted product from your process.

I still want to learn to distill ethanol though.

Beer is easy if you can keep your equipment clean.
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Post by MadMatt » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:58 pm

Think of the barter opportunities w/ your own beer and smokes! Even if your not a smoker/drinker those who are will treat you like a pawn shop!
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Post by cygor98 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:10 pm

I wish the laws were more lax on making your own spirits. cause if i could do what i can with beer or wine i would so try and make my own.
I dont even drink much but it would be nice to be able to make a really nice whiskey to keep around and have pride in what you have made.

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Post by sql_yoda » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:44 pm

I wouldn't trust my home-made moonshine unless I was damn sure it was ethyl alcohol and not some other kind. But beer and wine (all kinds from apple to dandelion) are pretty easy to do.

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Post by hopetolive » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:52 pm

Ok I'm going to put it out there, with the government out of the picture and I'm on my own I'm switching to pot. Mind altering/smokable and the fibers from the plant make great rope. And that stuff is pretty hearty. Now I don't condone the illegal growing or using of marijuana but in the past I loved the stuff and would go for a joint way before alcohol for the mind altering affect. granted alcohol definitely has its place as well you can't make cherries Jubal with pot.

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Post by raptor » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:02 pm

hopetolive wrote:Ok I'm going to put it out there, with the government out of the picture and I'm on my own I'm switching to pot. Mind altering/smokable and the fibers from the plant make great rope. And that stuff is pretty hearty. Now I don't condone the illegal growing or using of marijuana but in the past I loved the stuff and would go for a joint way before alcohol for the mind altering affect. granted alcohol definitely has its place as well you can't make cherries Jubal with pot.
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Post by hopetolive » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:22 pm

raptor wrote:
hopetolive wrote:Ok I'm going to put it out there, with the government out of the picture and I'm on my own I'm switching to pot. Mind altering/smokable and the fibers from the plant make great rope. And that stuff is pretty hearty. Now I don't condone the illegal growing or using of marijuana but in the past I loved the stuff and would go for a joint way before alcohol for the mind altering affect. granted alcohol definitely has its place as well you can't make cherries Jubal with pot.
Can we please not discuss illegal topics. These topics are proscribed by the rules.

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I understand that illegal subjects are not allowed but I would like to point out that I did state that if there was no government, and I also do not condone illegal growing/smoking. Now I would also like to point out that it is legal in many states and is on the way to being legal in more states, as well as the federal government is not pursuing arrests in states that it is legal in no matter what the federal law is (if you want me to back that statment I can). And I would like to point out that the distillation of spirits is still illegal in all 50 states. With that said I will stop talking about it

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Post by raptor » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:00 pm

hopetolive wrote:
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hopetolive wrote:Ok I'm going to put it out there, with the government out of the picture and I'm on my own I'm switching to pot. Mind altering/smokable and the fibers from the plant make great rope. And that stuff is pretty hearty. Now I don't condone the illegal growing or using of marijuana but in the past I loved the stuff and would go for a joint way before alcohol for the mind altering affect. granted alcohol definitely has its place as well you can't make cherries Jubal with pot.
Can we please not discuss illegal topics. These topics are proscribed by the rules.

The next illegal subject/substance/act that comes up here will result in the thread getting locked without further warning.
I understand that illegal subjects are not allowed but I would like to point out that I did state that if there was no government, and I also do not condone illegal growing/smoking. Now I would also like to point out that it is legal in many states and is on the way to being legal in more states, as well as the federal government is not pursuing arrests in states that it is legal in no matter what the federal law is (if you want me to back that statment I can). And I would like to point out that the distillation of spirits is still illegal in all 50 states. With that said I will stop talking about it
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Re: PAW vices?

Post by mega-hertz » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:59 am

my small mead is ok. tastes like gin and funky bread. my normal mead takes a year after brewing to be rady to drink, but it's TOTALY AWESOME
but if we're in the "no more bee's" paw.......... i'll learn how to do beer.
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Post by EricinVirginia » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:01 am

Any kind of addictive or mood-altering substance will be viewed as a luxury in PAW and thus disproportionately barter-able. See that zombie over there? That's someone wishing they had quit smoking BEFORE SHTF.

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Post by ferretrodeo » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:54 pm

Internet porn is my only vice :) so I guess I will need to get the old magazine stack out.....
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Post by MadMatt » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:10 pm

EricinMaryland wrote:Any kind of addictive or mood-altering substance will be viewed as a luxury in PAW and thus disproportionately barter-able. See that zombie over there? That's someone wishing they had quit smoking BEFORE SHTF.
Centuries have proven gold to be the ultimate barter standard, and prior to the semiconductor, it had virtually no practical application. Luxury would be a cricket bat with automatic hand warmers or oakley sunglasses that play mp3s. Vices (whether or not you posess them) are more of a "creature comfort". Euphamistic at best, I know but there is a difference. A little hooch in the cache can't do too much harm. Now if your the type that will drink cologne for a buzz, well that's a whole different story.
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Post by sherlockbonez » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:49 pm

MadMatt wrote:
EricinMaryland wrote:Any kind of addictive or mood-altering substance will be viewed as a luxury in PAW and thus disproportionately barter-able. See that zombie over there? That's someone wishing they had quit smoking BEFORE SHTF.
Centuries have proven gold to be the ultimate barter standard, and prior to the semiconductor, it had virtually no practical application. Luxury would be a cricket bat with automatic hand warmers or oakley sunglasses that play mp3s. Vices (whether or not you posess them) are more of a "creature comfort". Euphamistic at best, I know but there is a difference. A little hooch in the cache can't do too much harm. Now if your the type that will drink cologne for a buzz, well that's a whole different story.
I have worked in several different places where people drank after shave. Some of those jobs involve firearms and armoured vehicles.

I have the most problem with tobacco, hence the reason for quitting. I have tried making my own wine out of those box kits. However, I have never stomp on grapes or spit on some potatoes. I doubt those home brew kits would be around for long after SHTF nor can I make any Woodford or JB.

Can you smoke just plain dried tobacco leaves? Like a cigar or a cigarrette?

Any of your "stock up" on these "essentials"?

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Post by Iprotectmine » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:40 pm

sherlockbonez wrote: Any of your "stock up" on these "essentials"?
I'm a non-drinker, and so is my fiancee. But I have 3 bottles of Everclear in a cabinet. I figure I can use it for germ-killing purposes, or perhaps barter. 3 bottles may not be stocking up in the traditional sense, but at 190 proof, a little bit goes a long way. It doesn't take much space, and it's not like I'm going to drink it and run out.

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Re: PAW vices?

Post by MacAttack » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:18 am

The base difference between Ethanol and methanol is the source of your mash.

Food products make drinkable ethanol. Wood products make methanol. Quit putting leaves and stems in your mash.

They USED to do it to make the mash cheaper. It was semi safe because the cure for methanol poisoning is to drink ethanol. Methanol doesn't cause the body to produce the enzyme that removes alcohol from it,( thus you stay drunk and never get rid of it until you die from alcohol poisoning). But ethanol does.
The old timers would mix the two alcohols and hope for the best. Sometimes the guessed wrong and put too much Meth in and killed people.

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Post by Doctor_Zombie » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:27 am

I'm currently brewing my own mead. I'm having so much fun, I'll be moving to beer next. (The main reason being that beer's done much quicker. Mead rocks... but it's hell waiting months for a batch to get drinkable.)

I think home brewing's a valuable skill to have in general. Cost-wise, I break even compared to buying my hootch, but there's also the satisfaction of having made it myself. As has been already mentioned, it would make a great barter-able item in the event of a PAW.

As wasy as it is... I'm surprised more people aren't doing it.
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Post by therianthrope » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:38 pm

Centuries have proven gold to be the ultimate barter standard
I won't dispute this, but the worth of gold is only there if essentials are already provided for. What else were in those chests you imagine in pirate ships (or whatever) besides gold? Spices, salt, tobacco and alcohol, these would be extremely valuable items in PAW, just like they were historically. Preserve food and party.

Even, or perhaps especially, if you don't smoke or drink (won't be tempted to consume your own stuff), it seems like a really good idea to stock these for no reason other than barter. After all tobacco and alcohol keep really well.

In prisons today people are killed over such consumable vices and I always envisioned PAW to have some analogs to prison.

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