NT2C wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:56 pm
Against my better judgment and solely because one member asked very politely to have it reopened and gave reasonable reasons to do so, this thread is now unlocked again.
However, this is the absolute last chance for this thread. Screw it up again with anything
that goes contrary to the site rules and it gets locked and buried and we throw away the key. We might even douse it with gas and toss a match on it, wiping it from the system, permanently.
DO NOT TEMPT ME
Think very carefully about what you post here. You have been warned.
Really appreciate you doing this! Thank you very much and if things go off track again, I will throw in the towel and be happy with whatever the outcome is.
This is a valuable topic, because I think it is stereotypically viewed as the prepper's dream, what we've all readied for, thought through, and dare I say, even looked forward to. Of course, it is all daydreaming. It is fun to think about, and write about, even though it would be nightmarish to even remotely get close to living through.
However, I also think things get a little hokey when topics like this are brought up, because we all get in fantasy-land mode. I think ZS is a little better than that.
Therefore, let me interject a little reality into the conversation. Feel free to disagree.
I don't think we will ever see a civil-war in our lifetime in this country.
And my reason is quite simple: Air conditioning.
So, I'm in the HVAC industry and it is a little more than amusing to see what happens to folk when their air conditioning stops working. Now, a little preface - my first car had no air conditioning. My second car had no air conditioning. Our house has no air conditioning. Never really lived in an air conditioned environment. So, I'm used to it. And, no judgement either way. Whenever I've been in a space with nice AC on a hot day, I'll take it. But, get someone used to something and then take it away? HELL NO. Living in the south? Double HELL NO. Think about it for yourselves or your relatives - yank away the air conditioning at the peak of summer and what would happen? I don't know if you've ever talked to someone on a 102 degree day that just had their AC die, but let me tell you - it is the end of the world. If you can't tell, I'm using air conditioning more as a bit of a loose metaphor than anything else in this case, but it works just as well as a prime example. In short, people have become too accustomed to living a comfortable life to let anything purposefully get in the way of that comfortable lifestyle.
A civil war only works if you have enough percentage of the populace wanting it, choosing it, driving it.
In the midst of a bloody civil war, many of life's modern conveniences would disappear, and too many people have gotten too dependent upon them to choose to go without them for the sake of their personal civil vendettas. Maybe 60 years ago, but not today. People are too comfortable. People are weak. People don't want to be uncomfortable. There is a large percentage of an aging population that would not be compatible with such a widespread conflict, and too many relatives of those people that couldn't dismiss them. Our upcoming generation is so technologically dependent and too mentally unstable and beliefs too fickle that were that to be disrupted in any large degree, they would simply crumble.
Imagine phone networks down for 3 days. People would go mad. How would you do? Power goes out for 12 hours and people lose their minds. Now, imagine it never working right again. No more facebook, online shopping, lyft, food deliveries, prescription ordering, automatic updates, Alexa, video games, internet tv, and of course, A/C. All by choice. No football ever again. See? Never going to happen.
Then again, maybe at that point people would become so desperate that they actually would wage a war just to reinstate all those conveniences. The point is, nobody would ever choose it, ever. Not anymore. Remember, I'm talking about average people that are now completely dependent on google to know anything, their car navigation to go anywhere, their phone to solve all the problems they know nothing about, which is most of their problems. These are people that are living in the moment, demand instant gratification, and know nothing about navigation, fieldcraft, off-roading, mechanics, guns, carpentry, weather patterns, first aid, radio communications, and are constantly becoming worse at communication/negotiation, etc.
I'm interested to hear rebuttals.